You may lose your ATP

rnr

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maybe we should make a lp thread only for wanna be lp or actual lp o the trolls gb and old hippy don't clog with bs hatred.
 

WHATFG

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If the proposed changes to the MMPR go through you could end up losing your ATP under the stayed MMAR program.
If you kept your pink ATP and went to the doctor to get a new medical document and all that information will be analyzed then it's very feasible to see them canceling your ATP seeing you have opted to paticipate in the new MMPR program.
Wouldn't that be a bitch eh?
If you can use the pink slip, you shouldn't be going to the doctor to request participation in the new program unless you are willing to sacrifice your ATP. If you have double dipped, you don't deserve to have your ATP. That was the biggest determining factor in my telling the dg to shove it. I read the the Act at the time and I wasn't about to risk losing my authorization for anything with regard to this plant. Until we have a ruling or it is legalized, I will look at my using this drug as a privilege and not a right. And don't take that the wrong way...I know there have been hard fought and won battles, but this situation just gets screwier by the day and as much as I have faith in the SC, I don't trust this government at all.

Stupid power outage
 

leaffan

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If you can use the pink slip, you shouldn't be going to the doctor to request participation in the new program unless you are willing to sacrifice your ATP. If you have double dipped, you don't deserve to have your ATP. That was the biggest determining factor in my telling the dg to shove it. I read the the Act at the time and I wasn't about to risk losing my authorization for anything with regard to this plant. Until we have a ruling or it is legalized, I will look at my using this drug as a privilege and not a right. And don't take that the wrong way...I know there have been hard fought and won battles, but this situation just gets screwier by the day and as much as I have faith in the SC, I don't trust this government at all.

Stupid power outage
So in this situation...I am not going to be able to garden for the next 6 months. I tell my son that he should get a medical document just in case he runs out of meds before I can grow again so he can legally get some medicine that he needs. He and I are supposed to forever give up our grow rights just to ensure that his meds are covered?
We obviously are not planning on buying meds from LPs and reselling them...we would lose money!
 

WHATFG

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I don't agree. imo if you had it ( ATP ) even if signing up with an LP, no judge will give it to ya for trying to obtain your meds..anywhere you can.
Your ATP allowed you to buy meds from wherever or whoever.
So I don't buy that argument....if you were good...you are good...regardless of HC thinking...they aren't in charge any longer. They only administer the MMPR...not change judges orders. don't forget we still have the right to access from the previous cases from 10 years ago.
The LP's are gonna make it even easier for the judge to see access is fucked up right now and is worse for some than it was months ago. We didn't go forward, we went backward and Conroy will point that out. i bet their are some pretty sad stories out there right now from very sick people being denied their meds by greedying pricing from LP's
Noooooo, you were not allowed to buy your meds from wherever and whoever. You had 3 choices - grow your own, have a dg grow for you or buy form the gov. Anything else they just turned a blind eye to because it was convenient for them, but it was not legal by any means.
 

WHATFG

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So in this situation...I am not going to be able to garden for the next 6 months. I tell my son that he should get a medical document just in case he runs out of meds before I can grow again so he can legally get some medicine that he needs. He and I are supposed to forever give up our grow rights just to ensure that his meds are covered?
We obviously are not planning on buying meds from LPs and reselling them...we would lose money!
I am merely going on the act. I totally agree there are always exceptions to the rule and I believe your situation would be one of them. Kind of hard to accommodate all situations. Speaking in more general terms though, isn't the the whole point of being able to have a certain amount in storage supposed to cover those unforeseen circumstances? In my own situation, I can't grow enough to even create a stockpile, so if something were to happen where I couldn't grow, I would have to seriously consider signing up with one if these losers in order to keep medicating. I think this is where that section 56???? exemption would come in - temporarily allowing access to medicine through a different source for a period of time. It would definitely be a pain in the ass. I guess it's delusional to expect a perfect system....that's why I think legalization is the only way to go.
 

leaffan

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I guess the point I am trying to make...
It is retarded to say If you hold an ATP or PPL or DPPL you can never legally buy meds without giving up your licence.
Show me any place in the rest of the world that has a medicinal marijuana program in place that has such draconian regulations.
 

The Hippy

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Noooooo, you were not allowed to buy your meds from wherever and whoever. You had 3 choices - grow your own, have a dg grow for you or buy form the gov. Anything else they just turned a blind eye to because it was convenient for them, but it was not legal by any means.
If you had a PPL you were still able to join as many CC's as you felt like doing...maybe a gray zone yes, but still adds up to multiple sources. And no one was keeping track of shit !
 

oddish

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CC's don't count towards any of this. They're an outlier of the system that exists in a grey zone and they were not taken into account in any official capacity.
 

oddish

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I mean.. not really. If they started officially recognizing them then there would be a whole myriad of issues.
CC are "allowed" but only as an unspoken agreement amongst those who get to make those decisions.
 

bigmanc

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Well im sure we all agree HC is just creating a larger mess, anyone ever think they will drop the medical marijuana industry and give the provinces the green light to regulate? i.e. Ontario 10 mature plant limit, 1lb storage, prescription x 30day possession limit.

The U.S. has done so and crime has dropped, wages have increased, economy is booming and it has made a huge possitive impact.
 

The Hippy

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I mean.. not really. If they started officially recognizing them then there would be a whole myriad of issues.
CC are "allowed" but only as an unspoken agreement amongst those who get to make those decisions.
And that sounds good to me...as THERE THEY ARE !
 

WHATFG

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I guess the point I am trying to make...
It is retarded to say If you hold an ATP or PPL or DPPL you can never legally buy meds without giving up your licence.
Show me any place in the rest of the world that has a medicinal marijuana program in place that has such draconian regulations.
I've been thinking about this because I thought maybe I offended you ( and probably others as well) and that wasn't my intention. Anyway.....I think Turmel hit it on the head when he stated that there is no respite for people who are responsible for growing for others. BENO....but then the act said something like if you knowingly fuck with your licence you could lose it. Period. I will hunt that section down I'm just cooking right now. Let's assume we win...there should be some clause in the regs to address respite for caregivers. At this stage of the game I don't think it really matters...access is access whether you grow for your son or an LP does.
 

leaffan

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I wasn't offended, and I don't expect everyone to agree with my points of view.
I've been thinking about it too...If he runs out I will get it from a CC or a buddy rather than have him sign up and possibly lose his ATP and my DPPL...I simply don't trust them.
 

cannadan

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hey leaf....probably best you don't trust them....I did once....mistakenly....
Don't want to do that again....
 
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