You tellin me your soil feeds plants?

aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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I am finding many interests in an organically grown garden. I would like to convert my whole perpetual indoor to organic. From what i am reading there are really two types of organic growers....the ones that give organic nutrients (such as a synthetic grower would) and ones that actually help beneficial fungus/bacteria thrive within the rhizosphere. I want to feed the soil and in return have the soil feed the plants, I just dont know where to start.

I have a whole array of nutrients (some store bought others from garden expos)
I have age old grow organic grow 10-6-6, humic acids, a bunch of myco/beneficial bacteria and fungus powders, seaweed extracts, bat guano/high phos bat guano, fox farm trio and fox farm 3-part flower (which i heard are synthetic)

Ok now, where do i start?! I see a bunch of compost/soil mixes around here...should i start by making a mix? Just go out and get some manure, vermiculite, peat moss...mix em all together and bam... im organic? When do i feed? I have not yet completely wrapped this whole organic thing in a box. Can anyone shed some simple knowledge of an organic grow?

Btw, i have grown synthetically for a few years and am starting to understand a complete and balanced knowledge for a successful harvest...I don't know what knowledge to apply/not apply from a synthetic garden when transitioning to an organic one.
 
Cali.Grown>408

Cali.Grown>408

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organic is just the most natural cleanest healthiest way to feed your plant..no chemicals like fertilizers..my boy grows all organic..uses straight peat moss and FoxFarms organic lines..he feeds twice a week cuz he grows in JUST peat moss
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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Cali.Grown>408 said:
organic is just the most natural cleanest healthiest way to feed your plant..no chemicals like fertilizers..my boy grows all organic..uses straight peat moss and FoxFarms organic lines..he feeds twice a week cuz he grows in JUST peat moss
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Thanks for stopping by. I do agree organic gives the best tasting and the healthiest marijuana possible. I am ready to make the change. I notice some people make soils and never feed the plant through its whole cycle....others treat organic just like a synthetic grown garden by adding nutrients every week. I am trying to figure out which is best.
 
freddiemoney

freddiemoney

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There is a stickied thread by Subcool on his "Super Soil" recipe. Sub and others have been having great results with it. It is the first type you mentioned, which shouldn't require anything added but water. It's also a pretty adaptable mix, depending on which components you can find locally.
 
Cali.Grown>408

Cali.Grown>408

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ill stay tuned then cuz im going organic my next grow as well (in 8 weeks) i've always grown with advanced nutrients or general hydroponics which is not organic at all..my knowledge for organic grows is not the best but i know a little bit..organic grows usually have fluffier buds that burn fast..the taste is off the hook..the look is off the hook..the smell is off the hook, the only thing i dont like is "fluffier buds".....i've never heard of someone going organic and not feeding there plant through the whole cycle?? thats a new one..they must of been making bat guano tea or something at least cuz i dont fully understand how it wouldnt have deficiencies
 
StonedBlownSkiller

StonedBlownSkiller

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botanicare makes a organic line for feeding or you could use subcools supersoil. Never feed and it lasts till harvest time I do believe. Im personally a fan of the roots organic formula 707 soil. Im going to be using it and botanicare next grow....Its good stuff.
 
DownOnWax

DownOnWax

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A couple of years ago I went 100% organic in my vegetable garden and it spread to my indoor MJ grows as well.

At first I started buying all the organic products I could possibly find. They did an OK job but I started reading a lot of the labels and found a many of them were either not "truly" organic or they were pasteurized which completely kills a lot of nutrients. Then I bought some books about Organic Gardening (Rodale's Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening & The Vegetable Gardener's Bible *Both HIGHLY reccomended). I eventually started getting into making my own compost which is a hell of a lot of work but extremely rewarding! I now have a cold compost pile (takes around a year to be ready), a hot compost pile (ready in acouple of months), and a NatureMill (indoor ready to go BADASS little composter! www.naturemill.com).

I personally use a combination of both store bought nutrients (mostly Roots Organics) and my own compost, compost tea's, etc. But I am also trying to go fully towards using only what I make around my property.

Now don't get me wrong, I have a house on 10 acres of land so I have a lot of room to make compost and to do things organically, I also work at a restaurant that only uses organic products so I get a lot of scrap to make my compost with. If I lived in an Apartemnt then there is no way I would try all the stuff I do right now!

I start off with a good soil very similar to Subcool's Super Soil but with a couple tweaks simply because I was able to create them myself. I still buy things like Jersey Green Sand, Kelp Meal, Dolomitic Lime, and Perlite. I usually grow my plants for at least a month to 2 months before putting them into flower. The soil I created lasts the plants for that time easily, then in flowering I will boost the Potassium and Phosphorous with a light flowering nutrient like Budha Bloom, and that's it :)

It's great that you are going organic and I am a HUGE believer that organic soil creates the best tasting buds! It's like the difference between a Hydro green house tomato and a Soil/ homegrown tomato: No Comparison!
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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freddiemoney said:
There is a stickied thread by Subcool on his "Super Soil" recipe. Sub and others have been having great results with it. It is the first type you mentioned, which shouldn't require anything added but water. It's also a pretty adaptable mix, depending on which components you can find locally.
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I have read few pages including the soil recipe...seems like a good method and i may end up trying it. Thanks for stopping by...
Cali.Grown>408 said:
ill stay tuned then cuz im going organic my next grow as well (in 8 weeks) i've always grown with advanced nutrients or general hydroponics which is not organic at all..my knowledge for organic grows is not the best but i know a little bit..organic grows usually have fluffier buds that burn fast..the taste is off the hook..the look is off the hook..the smell is off the hook, the only thing i dont like is "fluffier buds".....i've never heard of someone going organic and not feeding there plant through the whole cycle?? thats a new one..they must of been making bat guano tea or something at least cuz i dont fully understand how it wouldnt have deficiencies
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Right on, maybe adding an organic hardener you can achieve more density?

StonedBlownSkiller said:
botanicare makes a organic line for feeding or you could use subcools supersoil. Never feed and it lasts till harvest time I do believe. Im personally a fan of the roots organic formula 707 soil. Im going to be using it and botanicare next grow....Its good stuff.
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Right on, i will look into all nutrient lines....Ive heard good stuff with earth juice.
DownOnWax said:
A couple of years ago I went 100% organic in my vegetable garden and it spread to my indoor MJ grows as well.

At first I started buying all the organic products I could possibly find. They did an OK job but I started reading a lot of the labels and found a many of them were either not "truly" organic or they were pasteurized which completely kills a lot of nutrients. Then I bought some books about Organic Gardening (Rodale's Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening & The Vegetable Gardener's Bible *Both HIGHLY reccomended). I eventually started getting into making my own compost which is a hell of a lot of work but extremely rewarding! I now have a cold compost pile (takes around a year to be ready), a hot compost pile (ready in acouple of months), and a NatureMill (indoor ready to go BADASS little composter! www.naturemill.com).

I personally use a combination of both store bought nutrients (mostly Roots Organics) and my own compost, compost tea's, etc. But I am also trying to go fully towards using only what I make around my property.

Now don't get me wrong, I have a house on 10 acres of land so I have a lot of room to make compost and to do things organically, I also work at a restaurant that only uses organic products so I get a lot of scrap to make my compost with. If I lived in an Apartemnt then there is no way I would try all the stuff I do right now!

I start off with a good soil very similar to Subcool's Super Soil but with a couple tweaks simply because I was able to create them myself. I still buy things like Jersey Green Sand, Kelp Meal, Dolomitic Lime, and Perlite. I usually grow my plants for at least a month to 2 months before putting them into flower. The soil I created lasts the plants for that time easily, then in flowering I will boost the Potassium and Phosphorous with a light flowering nutrient like Budha Bloom, and that's it :)

It's great that you are going organic and I am a HUGE believer that organic soil creates the best tasting buds! It's like the difference between a Hydro green house tomato and a Soil/ homegrown tomato: No Comparison!
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Thankyou for the good information....do you have any pictures of your grow? I think a good soil mix with addition of organic nutrients would give best results. Thanks for the link of the compost bin, dont have the money now but it be great to have something like this. How do you know how long to cook ingredients? I see you have three different time frames you work with....I guess the heat really helps the breakdown time?
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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a list of a few things i have, can someone tell me if this is a good start for an organic grow supplementing with organic nutrients?

fox farm ocean forest
1oz botanicare zho rhizosphere root inoculant
2oz 100% earthworm castings
2.25oz bat guano high phos 0-13-0
1oz water soluble inoculant with beneficial bacteria
3 types of myco- age old grow, great white, humboldt nutrients

im sure this is enough for a plant or two right? i think ill go out and get some dolomite lime and a few other additives as well...any suggestions on must have items for this soil?
 
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plaguedog

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That is a great book for anyone growing anything organically. It will make you all better growers in the long run.
 
aeviaanah

aeviaanah

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madodah said:
I suggest you read Teaming With Microbes to learn how a living soil can provide everything plants require for their life cycles. Written in layman terms, it'll change your entire outlook on organic growing.
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thanks for the great book man, just flipped through it at the moment...its now a favorite and i will get to reading. thanks!
 
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madodah

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aeviaanah said:
thanks for the great book man, just flipped through it at the moment...its now a favorite and i will get to reading. thanks!
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Once you read it you'll better understand why so many of us laugh at cannabis growers slaved to expensive feeding schedules of aggressively marketed soluble nutrient supplements. The section on AACT brewing is in my opinion deficient but there's a ton of info available for that on the net.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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madodah said:
I suggest you read Teaming With Microbes to learn how a living soil can provide everything plants require for their life cycles. Written in layman terms, it'll change your entire outlook on organic growing.
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That is the difference, and I think we can learn to respect each other's position. You go for "everything required" using nature, simplicity in it's purest and most beautiful form.

I have other priorities. Like quality of smoke, patient feedback, and giving her all she can take. We just have different goals and priorities, we are both 'right'. We are really on the same team, it's the chem that sucks. What you call 'slaved', is in fact my high end niche, and appreciated by vegetarians and vegans world wide. More than one way to do organics. BOOM!

Great book. Peace
 
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mrsunnyvu

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Your mycori. is for tranplant clones to soil(Extreme garden make mycos and azos).Use international bat guano from Sunleave every stage of growth.ACT earthworm casting bat guano,sea kelp, humic acid,Black strap mollasses top dress with EB bloom 0-10-10.
 
Vindicated

Vindicated

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It's sad coming to this forum and reading the advice given here. So much money is tossed around trying to make the most potent plant. The people here might be using a few organically derived products, but very few are actually growing organically in the true sense of the word. Anyone who promotes guano or SubCool's soil should be viewed as highly suspect. Only cannabis growers use these. Organic gardeners think a little harder about what they use and why they use it. Sustainability and environmentally friendly are the #1 priority of the organic gardener.

to learn organics, hang out on gardenweb forums and join your local Community garden. Talk to botanist, master gardeners, and tree hugging Eco nuts. Learn water conservation, composting, crop rotation, green manures, and integrated pest management. support OMRI where possible. And above all, stay away from cannabis literature. It will only poison your mind.
 
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