Breeding for authentic sativa happiness. Mextiza, Thai, Angola, Senegal...

Ailalelo

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Not much new. The "Bella Mextiza" don't look very good, I already burnt them reusing coco, but I hope they will improve. I have a lot of expectations with these, and I still have enough seeds in case I want to do a pheno hunt. This will be just a test grow, but I might end doing a backcross to the Bella, that has a fascinating effect.

I don't know which one will dominate, and I might be finishing up with a 14 weeker African pheno like the sisters of La Bella used to be, instead a 8-9 weeks one like Mextizas and La Bella are. No idea about flavors either, this cross is an absolute enigma.


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And these are the seeds I made with a Mextiza male and the Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze cut. Nice stuff for sure. I expect to find some more in the buds after they dry, these are the first I found.

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Ailalelo

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Mextiza Rebuilt are greener than original and their stems are stronger. I hope production will increase as well. It looks like all the features caused by the endogamy are gone.

I have some Mextizas at their side so I can compare results. Most important one, taste and effect. These have been flowering for 4 weeks.

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And these are a couple of Red Snakes (Oaxaca '79 x Punto Rojo Colombiano) covered with dead louses. I'm doing F2, you can see some seeds in one of the plants. Yes, this one is much much slower than Mextiza. They've been flowering for 9 weeks and they grew a lot, they are a pain in the ass right now, I hope I can cut them with 12 weeks. But the effect pays for it.

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Ailalelo

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These are some Mextiza Rebuilt after flowering for six and a half weeks. I see diversity and a dark color, and I love the orange pistils that many of them have.

There are lots of dead louses on the leaves, that's the effect of potassic soap.

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And this one is the only original Mextiza I keep. I selected this one between the progeny of the original F1 keeper. Flowered for 5 and a half weeks.

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Pepe le skunk

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Just wondering if you will try and backcross with those new seeds a male back to the clone your keeping? Will you attempt to cube the clone by doing 4 backcrossing to that keeper? That way a large percentage of the resulting seeds will be stable. Look just like the mother clone? One other question, have you tried clipping out all the really small sucker branches and overlapping leaves and sucker leaves to concentrate the flower growth? I would have trimmed out most of that small popcorn so all the energy goes to the end top buds. Maybe because your making seed? Have you ever tried pruning out that leafy for bigger tops? Usually week 2 and 4 I cut out a large amount of the small and leaves. Closer trim in week 4 to expose the flower tops. Makes bigger main flowers because that's where the energy concentrates.
 

Ailalelo

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Just wondering if you will try and backcross with those new seeds a male back to the clone your keeping? Will you attempt to cube the clone by doing 4 backcrossing to that keeper? That way a large percentage of the resulting seeds will be stable. Look just like the mother clone? One other question, have you tried clipping out all the really small sucker branches and overlapping leaves and sucker leaves to concentrate the flower growth? I would have trimmed out most of that small popcorn so all the energy goes to the end top buds. Maybe because your making seed? Have you ever tried pruning out that leafy for bigger tops? Usually week 2 and 4 I cut out a large amount of the small and leaves. Closer trim in week 4 to expose the flower tops. Makes bigger main flowers because that's where the energy concentrates.
Yes, the plan is to make seeds as similar as possible to the original cross, that's why I'm keeping this female. As I wrote at the beginning this is a very endogamic strain, so cubing is out of debate. I guess I'm already getting very similar plants, let's see.

I grow for myself, I don't need to have very big buds on top. I have developed the method I use to shape the plants over the years, and I like it.
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Ailalelo

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These are some of the F1 I made between La Bella and a Mextiza selected male. They were put in soil 8 weeks ago, and I like how thin and slender they look.

Their smell is really nice when rubbed, different to the lemon eucalyptus smell that Mextizas had. These smell strong like weed and incense in a heavenly way. They are all very similar, so that's what a F1 should look like.

I really want to see what kind of bud they give. Both Bella and Mextiza have provided me with the best of the best of the stimulating effects and flavors, being the only drawback that they don't produce much.

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Ailalelo

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This is one of the Bella Mextizas I made, just 11 days after flip. It is the one that got mixed in the little flowering tent with the heavy indicas, and it stands for its size and grow speed. I took it out and I liked it a lot, the structure is nice and looks like mixed between Mextiza and Bella, but in a healthier mood than its parents: the long years of endogamy are over. There are veeery long hairs appearing in the flowers.

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It will probably be done in just 8 weeks, but it is too early to make any conclusion since I don't know this F1 yet. The other ones are quite similar. Sativa Happiness!

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Ailalelo

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Some new pictures: the Bella Mextiza beauties just after 17 days 12/12. They are unbelievably fast, and I think now they are more similar to the Bella cut than they are to Mextiza. And they look way healthier than any of them. Magics of the young F1 seeds.

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They are already growing very long thin hairs.

And this is the Mextiza mother I keep. She's been 12/12 for just 5 weeks and after topping there are two main colas, I've pictured both. This time I'll wait till 8 or 9 weeks, I've been harvesting her at 7 weeks.
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Smell is fantastic. Sorry for the dead louses, I've had an infestation and after soaping them they get stuck on the leaves.
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Ailalelo

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My Mextiza mom at 6 weeks. Shee looks really nice, she's getting beefy. And I love the aroma, it is as good as ever. At 8 weeks it will be poison. My plants mature very soon lately, that's probably because I've got 600W of 3500ºK COBs in a 120x120 cm tent, and that is quite a good amount of light.

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There are some dead louses on the leaves yet, but I managed to get rid of them for a while.

The Mexican I pollinated last week got really pollinated, all hair became orange, so I'm having a lot of seeds. That's good.

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Ailalelo

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Believe it or not, these are the gorgeous Bella x Mextiza F1 after just 28 days (4 weeks!) of 12/12. I love them, but they are extremely tall. They are going to be the bomb outdoors, but for indoors they grow too much. There is already a lot of sugar in the buds, and pollination was a success. The seeds will be 75% Mextiza and 25% Bella, although this F1 seems to be dominated by the Bella.

The F1 resulted in very homogeneous plants, and Mextiza alone is very homogeneous due to inbreeding. I suppose there will be quite a lot of variation in the next generation, so I pollinated two of the females I preferred to increase it. Variation is nice if you want to make a selection to breed.

It is strange, since in my experience the Mextiza is very very dominant, or it has been in the crosses I made. But not in this one.

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Ailalelo

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I've been watering the Bella x Mextiza. The seeds are growing very well. But this is a thing I didn't notice two days ago. I found flowers growing in the leaves, just at the beginning of the leafstalk.

The only time I found a similar growth it was around 20 years ago, in a Northern Lights selection that the seedbank Dutch Passion sold as Oasis. One of the best indica weeds I remember, with a happy and relaxing effect and a strong earthy taste. Some plants used to do the same.

I made a crop of the original pictures so you can watch it from a closer place. Look how resinous they are just at 30 days of 12/12.

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Ailalelo

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I've got some new pics.

This is the Mexican Marinheira x Mextiza, after being pollinated with a Mextiza male. I believe this cross will be very interesting. There will be a lot of seeds, a managed to pollinate the whole plant with just a jar of frozen pollen. It will make 11 weeks in a couple of days, but I'll cut when all the seeds are mature... 3 or 4 weeks more.

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This is La Bella after less than 7 weeks flowering. I love this one, the taste/aroma and effect are very good. It grows too much for an indoor, and buds are very airy. That's because of its sativa heritage.

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This one is the Bella x Mextiza that grows flowers into the leaves. Also a very big plant, and with lovely slender leaves. This one has been flowering for several weeks but will be probably very fast. I just like watching this great shape, very long pistils and all the resin that starts to pile there.

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Ailalelo

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One of the Bella Mextiza inherited the intense orange pistils of the Mextiza, but just this one. All the plants are very tall, even the ones that I topped. I put them in flower when they were 40-50 cm tall and they have tripled since, so I'll have to find a better way to manage them in the next run. They've been flowering for just 5 and a half weeks and they are maturing fast and producing lots of resin.

Of course, buds are sativa-like. They are very airy and the pistils are very long and thick.

There will be a lot of seeds. I'll cut these plants when the seeds are mature. It will be about 6 weeks since pollination, it means I have to wait another 3 weeks. They will be mature after 8 weeks and a half, both Mextiza and Bella are very very fast.
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Ailalelo

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These beauties are the Bella Mextiza. 6 weeks of 12/12 only! I guess they'll be done in 8 weeks, and the effect will be better if I don't leave them to overripe. I put these pictures so you can get an impression on how airy the buds are, and you can also note the general look of the plant. Sativa magic. It is the first time I grow them, so I've overfed them and the leaves' color is way too dark. There are also some claw-like leaves. These plants are so tall that lower branches don't get any light and die, but the upper half is a party of pistils, resin and expectations.

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Ailalelo

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This is the Thai Angola clone after one month of outdoors flowering. It is evolving much better than I thought, in fact I had problems with this cut indoors and I never could flower it properly. It comes from an special edition from ACE seeds, IIRC. Extremely thin leaves, it is branchy and leafy and doesn't grow much. People who grew it told me that the effect is very special, it hits but it doesn't have any comedown. It is supposed to need 14 weeks to finish, so I'll probably put it back indoors in a couple of weeks or three to avoid revegging.

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Ailalelo

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Well, it looks like the seeding production activities I performed during the last months were generally productive.

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The seeds in the jar are genetically 75% Mextiza and the other 25% comes from a great wild Mexican sativa brought by a sailor. I guess they will be slower than original Mextiza but better producers. More sativish in effect and faster growing plants. I made a fucking ton of seeds because I didn't expect the frozen Mextiza pollen to be that fertile.

In the bag in the middle, there are Red Snake F2 seeds. I managed to make a lot of seeds and I still keep a clone of the same male and female I selected.

At the right of the image, the seeds are from (Bella x Mextiza) x Mextiza cross. Fast and frosty, I've been smelling the buds from the plants Bella x Mextiza these seeds came from and they are amazing. I can't find words to describe them yet, but I'll try.

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Ailalelo

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These are some new seeds I made with a Mextiza male and a very promising sativa I was gifted, the Thai Angola selected years ago between some seeds CBG was distributing. It's got airy but resinous buds, I haven't smoked it yet but reviews I got are very interesting. Very nice active and stimulating sativa effect with no comedown at all.

It smells like opium, anise and geranium over a background of spices and I believe this cross will dilute the Mextiza smell but it will also improve the stimulating effect while shortening its flowering time. This one needs 14 weeks.

It isn't dry yet, but I've already collected some seeds.
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There is another very interesting cross I made. I crossed this Thai Angola with a Red Snake male three weeks ago, and I can see the seeds growing, but I don't think there will be many. I want to grow the resulting seeds to select a very stimulating one, based just in the effect. I will upload pictures soon.

Good smokes.
 

Pepe le skunk

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Looks great. Very nice sativa smoke.
Try forbid from Amazon to wipeout the bugs. Lasts 30 days. Hit just before flower. If bugs eat, they die. Safe to use in early flower. Not after week 3
Good luck. Soap and hot water after that helps to the end. Same with nukeum. Hot pepper base safe to day of harvest.
 

Ailalelo

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This is the Thai Angola after 10 weeks of 12/12. The buds are starting to foxtail and there are some Red Snake seeds maturing into them. Buds are quite resinous although they are leafy due to its sativa origin, but still more compact than I expected.

This plant doesn't look very good, I don't know why. Maybe I didn't dial her properly, she is a little picky or maybe she carries some illness due to her age.

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I'll cut this one in a week, as 6 weeks since pollination are enough to get the seeds mature.

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