Vashon Kush

[psychadelibud]

Anyone have any info on or grown out Vashon Kush? I have 5 freebies going, they're only a couple weeks old but all plants look identical and very uniform. I am very curious about this one. Hows the terps? High? Mold resistance? More in depth history of the lineage?

 

[klyphman]

Can't help you on this, but am replying to bump this up re: Vashon genetics overall. I will be growing Eki Bird this year outdoors and using some pollen to make seeds. It's my first Vashon purchase.

Where are the ppl who've grown Vashon seeds?

 

[dubekoms]

I think @Rivendell has grown a strain or two from vashon seeds.

 

[Rivendell]

I have only grown Vashon early bird, supposed to be vashon kush crossed with a old school early bird. Short plants with limited stretch, very single cola dominate with large yields for its size. I found them to be pretty uniform from seed to seed and very vigorous compared to most modern indoor strains. Plants have the strongest stems I have ever seen on a outdoor plant, very rugged frame. I used a male in a couple cross's and have been pleased with the results.

That's all I can really offer out side of the fact that I would try something else from them in a heart beat.

 

[klyphman]

Thanks Rivendell, that is helpful. I'm curious, how was the smoke? Do the seeds you made with it have a significantly shorter flowering time?

Not a ton of info that I can find about the genetics of Vashon. JBC has some listed, but, for example, EKI Bird is: "A massive and quick plant."

However, 'baked-beans' (never heard of them) also carries Vashon and has more genetic info. Here is what they have listed.

Vashon Kush- (highland Afghanistan landrace x old island indica )

EKI Bird- (Highland Afghanastan landrace x Vashon Kush fast pheno )

Early Bird- (Vashon Kush x Early Vashon male)

These three at least, seem to be heavily based on Afghan landraces. Is old island indica an heirloom landrace too?

It'll be an interesting grow.

 

[psychadelibud]

I have only grown Vashon early bird, supposed to be vashon kush crossed with a old school early bird. Short plants with limited stretch, very single cola dominate with large yields for its size. I found them to be pretty uniform from seed to seed and very vigorous compared to most modern indoor strains. Plants have the strongest stems I have ever seen on a outdoor plant, very rugged frame. I used a male in a couple cross's and have been pleased with the results.

That's all I can really offer out side of the fact that I would try something else from them in a heart beat.

I have heard a few good things here and there but info on anything Vashon is scarce and very limited. I have 5 freebie Vashon Kush beans going as of now, all look identical to each other so far. They're only almost 2 weeks old, but you can already tell they are very solid in uniformity.

I am very curious, if you grew outdoor when did they finish for you and at what lat? Also, how were the terps? I have grown tons of afghanis and always love the wide distinct variety of terps and this was one of the things I am very interested in.

Another reason I am so interested in the smell, is that the Vashon Kush itself (visually) reminds me of an old Afghani we used to run way back in the day thay was brought here via a troop that was deployed in Afghanistan. We lost that old cut and would give anything to have anything even remotely close to her. She had a wild nose... At first it was a super sweet kush odor, but so sweet it almost turned your stomach... Very sickly but very sweet, mixed with some coffee, earth and what I would call chicken shit... If your from the country as myself, and your driving down the road passing chicken houses or a freshly fertilized field.... yeah, that smell (which could also be described as dirty feet/socks/shoes).... Lol.

 

[psychadelibud]

Thanks Rivendell, that is helpful. I'm curious, how was the smoke? Do the seeds you made with it have a significantly shorter flowering time?

Not a ton of info that I can find about the genetics of Vashon. JBC has some listed, but, for example, EKI Bird is: "A massive and quick plant."

However, 'baked-beans' (never heard of them) also carries Vashon and has more genetic info. Here is what they have listed.

Vashon Kush- (highland Afghanistan landrace x old island indica )

EKI Bird- (Highland Afghanastan landrace x Vashon Kush fast pheno )

Early Bird- (Vashon Kush x Early Vashon male)

These three at least, seem to be heavily based on Afghan landraces. Is old island indica an heirloom landrace too?

It'll be an interesting grow.

The early bird they use is actually from SSSC which goes by the name (M26) way back in the day. They have kept and worked with it on Vashon island for many years... Its an old one, would be good to incorporate into a breeding program if your looking for early finishing mold resistant strains.

Here was the description that Super Sativa Seed Club had for it..



M26
An early Dutch cold-resistant strain. Inbreed for three generations. Breeding plants were selected for early maturation and quality of the high. Some individuals will have purple seedbracts. Most of the plants are very resinous. The yield varies from plant to plant. Harvest first/second week of September.

 

[psychadelibud]

I have seen the offerings in Baked Beans... they're an ok place to get beans... But they definitely have that description wrong particularly on the Early Birds lineage.

 

[Rivendell]

The VEB male definitely passed on the early flowering time. They and the offspring are done by the end of September in Maine. Terps on the VEB itself are hard to describe, I think they smell like freshly picked carrots. That's the best I can do, they are very terpy overall and the cross's retained the strong terps but leaned towards the moms smells. My overall opinion of the VEB is that it is a great breeding tool for outdoor, I honestly like the cross's I have made better then just the VEB alone but tastes are subjective.

I crossed it with a Mother of Berries mom and the resulting plants have a very noticeable cat piss and berry smell/taste, So I am sure there are some strong terps locked up in the genetics.

 

[i.am.what.i.am]

I have only grown Vashon early bird, supposed to be vashon kush crossed with a old school early bird. Short plants with limited stretch, very single cola dominate with large yields for its size. I found them to be pretty uniform from seed to seed and very vigorous compared to most modern indoor strains. Plants have the strongest stems I have ever seen on a outdoor plant, very rugged frame. I used a male in a couple cross's and have been pleased with the results.

That's all I can really offer out side of the fact that I would try something else from them in a heart beat.

Do you have any pics of the VEB plants and manicured buds? I'm thinking of ordering a pack of them in a couple weeks here. I mostly grow outdoors now, but live in the Pacific NW and trying to find some good early finishing strains to make some crosses with

 

[klyphman]

I have seen the offerings in Baked Beans... they're an ok place to get beans... But they definitely have that description wrong particularly on the Early Birds lineage.

Good to know. That would prob mean the Eki Bird description is wrong too. I’m going to trust what JBC says and go with ‘Uber early bird pheno’ for the Eki.

Rivendell, glad to hear about the VEB offspring. Makes me excited for my summer plans.

 

[Rivendell]

Do you have any pics of the VEB plants and manicured buds? I'm thinking of ordering a pack of them in a couple weeks here. I mostly grow outdoors now, but live in the Pacific NW and trying to find some good early finishing strains to make some crosses with

I do not unfortunately, I grew them a couple years back and no longer have any pics.

 

[jimihendrix1]

Can't help you on this, but am replying to bump this up re: Vashon genetics overall. I will be growing Eki Bird this year outdoors and using some pollen to make seeds. It's my first Vashon purchase.

Where are the ppl who've grown Vashon seeds?

Hows the Vashon doing???

 

[klyphman]

Hows the Vashon doing???

Eki bird is super leafy and very single cola dominant and will be ready to chop in 10-14 days I'd guess—certainly before the end of the month. I tied the main stalk on this plant horizontal for about 2' of growing and created a hedge. As the laterals grew upward, they did not branch out much (as mentioned), but the branches are jam packed with dense dense flower spears. I had a male and used it for some chucks around the garden to hopefully shorten flower time and add density and resin. Eki has some nice frosty nugs and is smelling like (as someone else mentioned) fresh garden carrots.

Undecided if I would run this again as is, but am excited to try out the chucks I made.

Will try to remember to update about yield (could be heavy) and smoke.

 

[jimihendrix1]

I figured it would be pretty leafy, as most Afghan is used for hash anyway, and I bet the EB is loaded with resin glands. Good thinking on bending it over. I do that on all my plants vs topping, and have for 30 years. It makes a huge difference in yield.

 

[Rivendell]

Eki bird is super leafy and very single cola dominant and will be ready to chop in 10-14 days I'd guess—certainly before the end of the month. I tied the main stalk on this plant horizontal for about 2' of growing and created a hedge. As the laterals grew upward, they did not branch out much (as mentioned), but the branches are jam packed with dense dense flower spears. I had a male and used it for some chucks around the garden to hopefully shorten flower time and add density and resin. Eki has some nice frosty nugs and is smelling like (as someone else mentioned) fresh garden carrots.

Undecided if I would run this again as is, but am excited to try out the chucks I made.

Will try to remember to update about yield (could be heavy) and smoke.

Sounds very similar to the VEB, if you had not trained it, how tall would you say it would be?

 

[klyphman]

Sounds very similar to the VEB, if you had not trained it, how tall would you say it would be?

With my training, it is about 3-3.5’ tall. If untrained I’d guess between 5 and 6 feet. It was very vigorous during veg.

 

[Rivendell]

With my training, it is about 3-3.5’ tall. If untrained I’d guess between 5 and 6 feet. It was very vigorous during veg.

The eki is a bit taller than the VEB by the sounds of it.

 

[klyphman]

The eki is a bit taller than the VEB by the sounds of it.

According to JBC, EKI Bird is an "Uber Early Bird Pheno" and is "a massive a quick plant".

Maybe it is just a standout pheno of VEB that has been worked a bit?

 

[jimihendrix1]

Vagabond seeds has both the Early Bird, and Eki Bird for sale. $50 a a pack. Well worth it. Especially for breeders looking for a super early flowering strain, mold, and mildew resistant, to use for breeding, and not give up potency, or taste, for the earlier flowering gene.