Hermie pollination, good or bad?

Green wiggler

Green wiggler

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So I grew 5 different strains together outside, a Spumoni, Diet Durban, Aucopuco Gold, White Widow and Blue Berry. They were in beautiful shape. Then the weather got really bad here with high winds, rain and cool nights so i put them all in a tent inside my shop. I dried another plant inside the shop that turned hermie and I didn't know until I started cleaning it up. Now all of my plants are seeded.
Since the mother plants are strong strains will the seeds they be OK or will all the seeds from them hermie? I've heard the mother determines the traits of the seeds but I've also heard they will all herm out???
 
PadawanWarrior

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Green wiggler said:
So I grew 5 different strains together outside, a Spumoni, Diet Durban, Aucopuco Gold, White Widow and Blue Berry. They were in beautiful shape. Then the weather got really bad here with high winds, rain and cool nights so i put them all in a tent inside my shop. I dried another plant inside the shop that turned hermie and I didn't know until I started cleaning it up. Now all of my plants are seeded.
Since the mother plants are strong strains will the seeds they be OK or will all the seeds from them hermie? I've heard the mother determines the traits of the seeds but I've also heard they will all herm out???
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Was it a nanner or ball sack?
 
Green wiggler

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PadawanWarrior said:
Was it a nanner or ball sack?
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I am not sure. But i think the pollen most likely came from the plant that i died out in the shop next to the grow tent. The plant had a history of hermies and i didn't know it had hermied until i dried it. Just hoping the seeds won't be affected because the mothers are solid??
 
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FidelCa$hflow

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If there is a genetic predisposition to producing male organs, then the genetics were not likely stress tested properly. You dont want to breed a plant with this tendency under most circumstances.
 
whitebb2727

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Lenin1917 said:
Depends, true hermie or selfing late in flower? If you’re outdoors there’s no saying, but even stable genetics go dimorphic when they’re at the end of their life cycle and need to pass on their genes.
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This is true. A lot of strains will throw pollen if left long enough. Last ditch effort to survive.

The key is how bad the plants are seeded. If heavily seeded I probably wouldn't use the seeds. If just a handful of seeds are found I would keep and grow them.

The op says he doesn't know where they got seeded. It's possible a regular male was planted by someone else in the vicinity.

Edit. If the seeds are from homemade female seeds then keep and grow them.
 
Green wiggler

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whitebb2727 said:
This is true. A lot of strains will throw pollen if left long enough. Last ditch effort to survive.

The key is how bad the plants are seeded. If heavily seeded I probably wouldn't use the seeds. If just a handful of seeds are found I would keep and grow them.

The op says he doesn't know where they got seeded. It's possible a regular male was planted by someone else in the vicinity.

Edit. If the seeds are from homemade female seeds then keep and grow them.
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Green wiggler

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I bought these Diet Durban seeds from Seedsman. 2 of the 3 didn't germinate. They are awesome. They told me that the supplier from these seeds was found to be unreliable so they stopped using them and sent me 2 packs of 3 seeds of my choice, no prove- it video's like some of the other guys.
What I'm wondering now, being uninexperienced and not know what a Diet Durban actually looks like is, if this wasn't a make plant all along?? If so, I'm one happy camper because I've been trying to force pollen on some other plants and finally got that done but the Diet Durban is kind a hard to come by right now... anyone tell if this could actually be a male?? I didn't think these males had hair around it. Thanks
 

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Green wiggler said:
I bought these Diet Durban seeds from Seedsman. 2 of the 3 didn't germinate. They are awesome. They told me that the supplier from these seeds was found to be unreliable so they stopped using them and sent me 2 packs of 3 seeds of my choice, no prove- it video's like some of the other guys.
What I'm wondering now, being uninexperienced and not know what a Diet Durban actually looks like is, if this wasn't a make plant all along?? If so, I'm one happy camper because I've been trying to force pollen on some other plants and finally got that done but the Diet Durban is kind a hard to come by right now... anyone tell if this could actually be a male?? I didn't think these males had hair around it. Thanks
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No male in those pics. I don't see any nanners either.

Most likely came from the forced pollen. Pollen gets everywhere. Any grow areas where pollen has been needs to be cleaned. Water will neutralize pollen.
 
Green wiggler

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The forced pollen was in a completely different area. I had them in the same yard outside for a while but there weren't any sacs on the forced pollen plants yet. I moved the not yet seeded (PHOTO) plants into a grow tent inside before the forced pollen plants (AUTOS) showed signs of sacs. I wish they were from the forced pollen but the timing isn't right, unless they can pollinate with no sacs.
 
Green wiggler

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But I've never seen what a male diet durban looks like and they are heavily, heavily seeded. Just thought since I had gotten a bad report from Seedsman on the diet durban it may have been possible i had gotten a male seed and overlooked it?? But thanks for the verification about the "no males"
Where do nanners come in, if there are nanners then it means it hermmied itself, right, self pollinated? So then these girls were pollinated from another source. Hermie, bees, male across the street, but they didn't self pollinate if there are no nanners?
 
drsaltzman

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whitebb2727 said:
No male in those pics. I don't see any nanners either.

Most likely came from the forced pollen. Pollen gets everywhere. Any grow areas where pollen has been needs to be cleaned. Water will neutralize pollen.
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Agree, don’t see males.
But water doesn’t really neutralize pollen.
It just immobilizes it.
If they’re gonna clean their space they need to do more than spray water.
Nanners can stay buried for a while.
And usually they only pollinate the immediate bud that they’re growing in. Usually.
If there are a ton of seeds then I think there were flowers somewhere.
 
whitebb2727

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drsaltzman said:
Agree, don’t see males.
But water doesn’t really neutralize pollen.
It just immobilizes it.
If they’re gonna clean their space they need to do more than spray water.
Nanners can stay buried for a while.
And usually they only pollinate the immediate bud that they’re growing in. Usually.
If there are a ton of seeds then I think there were flowers somewhere.
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In my opinion vacuum the grow area then spray and wipe clean will take care of the majority of it.

I used to make gems quit often. Regs too. I know when storing and keeping pollen moisture is one of the worst things for it. When I freeze pollen I don't in individual packets to keep from having to remove one large container risking condensation.

Neutralize was the wrong word. Pollen doesn't keep long in non ideal conditions. Cleaning most of it up and then spraying immobilizes it long enough to deteriorate.
 
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