Transplanted too low causing overwatering?

I recently transplanted 2 plants into my 15gallon living soil fabric pots. I accidentally dug my transplant holes too deep causing my plants to sit very low as you can see from the pic. Since than I've leveled the soil out and actually had to give a mild lollipopping this early in which I was not happy about.

So my 1 plant is sitting so low that it's leaves are basically hovering right about my soil/mulch and it has since became overwatered, after waiting 5-7 days and giving it another light watering it appears it was not ready and I probably made things worse.

Now my question is will the lack of airflow to the stomata in itself cause overwatering even if its only half of the plants leaves?

Why add all that “ bird nest / grass “ to simple soil containers ?

Also 15 gallons for indoor ? Pretty sure you will not come close to utilizing full medium …. 1/3/5/7 gallon would suffice.

15 gallon is enough for ( 5 ) 3 gallon plants - 5 individual plants …. Each

Budzbuddha said:

Why add all that “ bird nest / grass “ to simple soil containers ?

Also 15 gallons for indoor ? Pretty sure you will not come close to utilizing full medium …. 1/3/5/7 gallon would suffice.

15 gallon is enough for ( 5 ) 3 gallon plants - 5 individual plants …. Each

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Why are we talking about my growing style? That's cover crop that's been chopped and decaying, the mulch is barley straw. I reuse my soil low-till style im on my 3rd cycle. You've never heard of people using larger than 5-7gallon for an LSO grow? I find that strange.

Can we stick to the question at hand.

15 gal is kinda min in a living soil situation. 20-30 better 40-50 better-er lol. Or beds...

Jjgrow420 said:

15 gal is kinda min in a living soil situation. 20-30 better 40-50 better-er lol. Or beds...

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Exactly, it literally IS the minimum. I've already been there done the 5 gallons (salt based nutes) . I'm continuing with this grow style clearly because I prefer it.

You can do smaller but it becomes closer to bottle feeding, not the style I'm after.

TrentSteel said:

Exactly, it literally IS the minimum. I've already been there done the 5 gallons. I'm continuing with this grow style clearly because I prefer it.

You can do smaller but it becomes closer to bottle feeding, not the style I'm after.

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The idea behind a bigger pot is there is more room for biology to do it's thing, and enough room to add enough amendments to last a plants cycle. Trying to create what naturally occurs in nature kind of without the cycling of the actual plant material when it's done back into the pot. Instead using diff amendments to re amend the soil of the nutrients depleted in the previous cycle. There's a reason we don't need to feed the redwoods... right? Livin soil or rols or whatever you wana call it is pretty complex, what was your original mix? Coots? Subs? Kis? Lol so many variations of mixes out there.

Jjgrow420 said:

The idea behind a bigger pot is there is more room for biology to do it's thing, and enough room to add enough amendments to last a plants cycle. Trying to create what naturally occurs in nature kind of without the cycling of the actual plant material when it's done back into the pot. Instead using diff amendments to re amend the soil of the nutrients depleted in the previous cycle. There's a reason we don't need to feed the redwoods... right? Livin soil or rols or whatever you wana call it is pretty complex, what was your original mix? Coots? Subs? Kis? Lol so many variations of mixes out there.

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Im using KIS, black swollow is about a 45min. drive from me which is great.

My friend has a 4x4 bed going, he waters much less than me. It's amazing in that aspect, he works so many hours and the upkeep is ultra simple. He couldn't deal with synthetics/bottles around his busy work schedule.

I'm certainly no expert on the matter, but I've been dabbling for the past few years, getting more into it this year. The idea behind sustainable farming intrigues me, and I find biology fascinating, so I've been trying to learn as much as I can, 'get my toes wet before I jump in' so to speak. There's alot of great resources out there, kisorganics (Tad Hussey) is super knowledgable on the matter, black swallow soils (Rob Knechtel), Jeff Lowenfels books 'teaming with microbes, teaming with fungi, teaming with nutrients'. Good places to start.

TrentSteel said:

Im using KIS, black swollow is about a 45min. drive from me which is great.

My friend has a 4x4 bed going, he waters much less than me. It's amazing in that aspect, he works so many hours and the upkeep is ultra simple. He couldn't deal with synthetics/bottles around his busy work schedule.

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Hey ya me too I'm about the same distance, and stepwell is on the way

TrentSteel said:

I recently transplanted 2 plants into my 15gallon living soil fabric pots. I accidentally dug my transplant holes too deep causing my plants to sit very low as you can see from the pic. Since than I've leveled the soil out and actually had to give a mild lollipopping this early in which I was not happy about.

So my 1 plant is sitting so low that it's leaves are basically hovering right about my soil/mulch and it has since became overwatered, after waiting 5-7 days and giving it another light watering it appears it was not ready and I probably made things worse.

Now my question is will the lack of airflow to the stomata in itself cause overwatering even if its only half of the plants leaves?

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Overwatering is caused by watering too often, it has nothing to do with the volume of water you use to water with. Stomata are in the leaves, what does that have to do with watering?

twentyeight.threefive said:

Overwatering is caused by watering too often, it has nothing to do with the volume of water you use to water with. Stomata are in the leaves, what does that have to do with watering?

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If the plant can't transpire the motion of water throughout its roots would slow, would it not?
I've read the rH below canopy can be significantly higher than ambient, I've also heard this issue is exaggerated with LEDs

TrentSteel said:

If the plant can't transpire the motion of water throughout its roots would slow, would it not?

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What does the stomata and transpiration have to do with watering a plant?

In rols you aren't really watering the plant you're watering the soil.
Haha
Honestly it seems silly but an actual soil tensiometer is going to be your best bet for learning how to water rols. Too much/little water can have impacts in the soil biology not to mention ph and the like. From what I've learned you want to measure it when the plant is at its happiest state, then try to keep that 'tension'. On the Digi blumat meters If I remember correctly that's anywhere from 90-120 millibars. The higher you go the drier it is.

Jjgrow420 said:

I'm certainly no expert on the matter, but I've been dabbling for the past few years, getting more into it this year. The idea behind sustainable farming intrigues me, and I find biology fascinating, so I've been trying to learn as much as I can, 'get my toes wet before I jump in' so to speak. There's alot of great resources out there, kisorganics (Tad Hussey) is super knowledgable on the matter, black swallow soils (Rob Knechtel), Jeff Lowenfels books 'teaming with microbes, teaming with fungi, teaming with nutrients'. Good places to start.

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I have 'teaming with microbes' here thanks for reminding me it's been over due at the library for a few months now, great book. I've found Jeremy Silva (Buildasoil) youtube series to be pretty informative and simplified.
I completely agree, I was turned on by growing belief that these methods seemingly increase terpene content as I'm strictly growing for quality and not quantity. The entire sustainable/regenerative farming aspect came along afterwards for me but I mainly see it as a great bonus with this growing style. I've learned so much since I started growing this style I don't even look at the world the same anymore.

Microbes are everywhere millions of invisible workers doing millions of mundane tasks we don't even acknowledge exist on a day to day basis.

twentyeight.threefive said:

What does the stomata and transpiration have to do with watering a plant?

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If the plant does not transpire the soil would dry much slower, is that not the basic concept of VPD. The more the plant transpires the more it drinks from its roots therefore the quicker the soil dries, am I completely missing something here?


Overwatering is lack of oxygen to the roots basically from drowning. If the roots are not drinking and you apply more water? Teach me something please.

Jjgrow420 said:

In rols you aren't really watering the plant you're watering the soil.
Haha
Honestly it seems silly but an actual soil tensiometer is going to be your best bet for learning how to water rols. Too much/little water can have impacts in the soil biology not to mention ph and the like. From what I've learned you want to measure it when the plant is at its happiest state, then try to keep that 'tension'. On the Digi blumat meters If I remember correctly that's anywhere from 90-120 millibars. The higher you go the drier it is.

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Yea, this is what my friend uses.

I'm just bouncing ideas around trying to learn, the other plant has a nice space between the soil for it to breath and it is completely fine praying while the one closer to the soil is overwatered and hurting.

TrentSteel said:

If the plant does not transpire the soil would dry much slower, is that not the basic concept of VPD. The more the plant transpires the more it drinks from its roots therefore the quicker the soil dries, am I completely missing something here?


Overwatering is lack of oxygen to the roots basically from drowning. If the roots are not drinking and you apply more water? Teach me something please.

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Guess you have it all figured out now. GJ

twentyeight.threefive said:

Guess you have it all figured out now. GJ

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Wow, not exactly what I meant by teach me something. Thanks for the useless post

Do the five percent method. I use twenty gallon pots. And use three gallons of water every grow to four days depending on what time of the grow I’m in. If your temps and humidity are dialed in and you have good air flow and Elsie exchange you shouldn’t have over watering issues. Are you using a drip irrigation system or hand watering

I think you're making up things to get worried about now.

LEDS lights causing higher humidity and slow movement of water through the roots? Who ever heard of that?

If you're worried about airflow, get a little fan set up. Don't sweat soil, you're in a smart pot! It will dry.