Announcing RSO 2.0 - An Update to a Classic 20 Year Old Recipe

Hi All,

For the past two years while being sequestered at home by the pandemic, I've been working on updating the RSO process to create cleaner oil at home. Here it is, called “RSO 2.0”. What has come of it, is a radical, cost effective, approach to safely creating cleaner oil at home using only kitchen utensils. For all the progress that’s been made in the extraction field in the past 20 years, RSO has been left behind. Here's whats new:

1.Introducing a one hour Room Temperature Winterization.
2.Exploiting Isopropyl’s Super Power.
3.Distilling in Brine water to cleanse and protect the oils.
4.Lower temperature extractions to save CBDA/THCA. Important for today if the acidic state can impede COVID from entering cells.

This is a free process to anyone wanting cleaner oil, nothing for sale. This is strictly an educational site. When you have a chance, check out www.CannabisHomeSciences.com to explore a radical new approach to making RSO.

Oh, I would love to hear feedback Please critique for any typo's, ambiguities or scientific inaccuracies. Let me know your thoughts!

…MimiEMU

MimiEMU said:

Hi All,

For the past two years while being sequestered at home by the pandemic, I've been working on updating the RSO process to create cleaner oil at home. Here it is, called “RSO 2.0”. What has come of it, is a radical, cost effective, approach to safely creating cleaner oil at home using only kitchen utensils. For all the progress that’s been made in the extraction field in the past 20 years, RSO has been left behind. Here's whats new:

1.Introducing a one hour Room Temperature Winterization.
2.Exploiting Isopropyl’s Super Power.
3.Distilling in Brine water to cleanse and protect the oils.
4.Lower temperature extractions to save CBDA/THCA. Important for today if the acidic state can impede COVID from entering cells.

This is a free process to anyone wanting cleaner oil, nothing for sale. This is strictly an educational site. When you have a chance, check out www.CannabisHomeSciences.com to explore a radical new approach to making RSO.

Oh, I would love to hear feedback Please critique for any typo's, ambiguities or scientific inaccuracies. Let me know your thoughts!

…MimiEMU

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Why can’t you post info here instead of a link to your? Site

Herb & Suds said:

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Why can’t you post info here instead of a link to your? Site

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Howdy, There's lots of explaining to do, many issues to cover. It has lots of video content to visually walk ppl through each step. I did post the RSO 2.0 2021 User Guide if that works better for people, see attached. The site is robust because the 2.0 version is a radical departure from the original recipe. I take on the controversy over using Isopropyl alcohol for the bulk extraction. It's too big a piece of work to squeeze it into multiple post/reply messages. But rest assured, it is an educational site, no required purchases.

I bet it can be broken down into easily explainable steps with or without photos/videos without the need to visit an outside site.

MimiEMU said:

Howdy, There's lots of explaining to do, many issues to cover. It has lots of video content to visually walk ppl through each step. I did post the RSO 2.0 2021 User Guide if that works better for people, see attached. The site is robust because the 2.0 version is a radical departure from the original recipe. I take on the controversy over using Isopropyl alcohol for the bulk extraction. It's too big a piece of work to squeeze it into multiple post/reply messages. But rest assured, it is an educational site, no required purchases.

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Thanks for the good read. I am starting to prepare my RSO 1.0 with 190 proof alcohol. Will add a silting step.

Lost me at your own self worship. Geez. Did you fail a marketing course in parallel?

Thanks for sharing brother! Some innovative new ideas.

solakani said:

Thanks for the good read. I am starting to prepare my RSO 1.0 with 190 proof alcohol. Will add a silting step.

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Thats great. You'll want to match the Collect step with Silting. The Silting adds water to the wash, the Collect step is the optimal way I found to get rid of the water. What device do you use to distill? Crock pot, rice cooker or double boiler? Once the distilling is done, just add ice to the pot to freeze the oils. Most will stick to the sides, then you can pour out the ice water through a nylon strainer basket. The basket will catch any free floating oils. The Collect video will show you what that looks like.

MimiEMU

Fadedawg said:

Thanks for sharing brother! Some innovative new ideas.

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The big shock everyone will experience is the presence of water both in the Silting and the Brine water added during distillation. This is the radical change from the original process. When the distilling is done, the oils are floating or adhered to the bowl. Get to know Step 6 - Collect to recover the oil.

Using the N95 mask as a better filter is amusing, but very effective. This might be the only good thing to come out of the pandemic, a fast flow filter that takes out particulates down to .3 microns. Take a look at the Silting video. There's a short view of the filter in action and how fast it flows at room temperature. These do slow way down with frozen winterized wash because Isopropyl thickens at near -20c/0f. At this point, its best to swap out the liner on every pour.

One thing I mention but don't go into detail is saving the gunk from the Silting and Winterize steps. The waxes do bond with some oil. This is point of yield loss with winterization. You can save most of it when replacing the liner. Pull the gunk filled liner, wad it up, place in a bowl to soak in Isopropyl. when done filtering, wring out all the wads into that bowl. What washes out will boil down to a very waxy product. You can use that for topicals.

MimiEMU said:

Thats great. You'll want to match the Collect step with Silting. The Silting adds water to the wash, the Collect step is the optimal way I found to get rid of the water. What device do you use to distill? Crock pot, rice cooker or double boiler? Once the distilling is done, just add ice to the pot to freeze the oils. Most will stick to the sides, then you can pour out the ice water through a nylon strainer basket. The basket will catch any free floating oils. The Collect video will show you what that looks like.

MimiEMU

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I must say that edibles had no effect on me until recently so I could be regarded as a newbie in the game.

Perhaps I should also use isopropyl to make my RSO instead of 190 proof alcohol. It would be nice to have someone with experience to guide me. Getting plant material and equipment for the job should not be a problem. My question to you is that RSO 2.0 seems so labor intensive why would I make RSO and not live rosin?

solakani said:

I must say that edibles had no effect on me until recently so I could be regarded as a newbie in the game.

Perhaps I should also use isopropyl to make my RSO instead of 190 proof alcohol. It would be nice to have someone with experience to guide me. Getting plant material and equipment for the job should not be a problem. My question to you is that RSO 2.0 seems so labor intensive why would I make RSO and not live rosin?

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I've not made rosin yet, so your call, what ever is easiest for you. You've given me an idea. I'm going back to the website to break it down even further. Check it out now. There are now three groups of videos. The first is the fastest and most comparable to the original RSO. The group second adds Silting and the third adds Winterization. This way, you take on increasing difficulty at your pace.

Fardsnarp said:

Lost me at your own self worship. Geez. Did you fail a marketing course in parallel?

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HAHAHAH. Nope, I'm from engineering. Says it all, no? Hey, I am asking for review, so if you'd like to contribute, grab the .pdf, use Acrobat and add highlights and comments.

Reading through the material now, appreciate the share with the community

Going through gray wolfs content and will see what I can help and add to this process

MimiEMU said:

The big shock everyone will experience is the presence of water both in the Silting and the Brine water added during distillation. This is the radical change from the original process. When the distilling is done, the oils are floating or adhered to the bowl. Get to know Step 6 - Collect to recover the oil.

Using the N95 mask as a better filter is amusing, but very effective. This might be the only good thing to come out of the pandemic, a fast flow filter that takes out particulates down to .3 microns. Take a look at the Silting video. There's a short view of the filter in action and how fast it flows at room temperature. These do slow way down with frozen winterized wash because Isopropyl thickens at near -20c/0f. At this point, its best to swap out the liner on every pour.

One thing I mention but don't go into detail is saving the gunk from the Silting and Winterize steps. The waxes do bond with some oil. This is point of yield loss with winterization. You can save most of it when replacing the liner. Pull the gunk filled liner, wad it up, place in a bowl to soak in Isopropyl. when done filtering, wring out all the wads into that bowl. What washes out will boil down to a very waxy product. You can use that for topicals.

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If it were really .3 micron no water would pass thru it, let alone 'quickly'... lol.

N95s are a scam for viruses, too.

M

Thankyou for the link to the site mate, very informative, and I’ll be trying it. I dunno how people can slate you for posting a link to a site where all the info is more user friendly. What more do people want, you allready took time out of ur day to make this thread! Cheers mate

MimiEMU said:

Hi All,

For the past two years while being sequestered at home by the pandemic, I've been working on updating the RSO process to create cleaner oil at home. Here it is, called “RSO 2.0”. What has come of it, is a radical, cost effective, approach to safely creating cleaner oil at home using only kitchen utensils. For all the progress that’s been made in the extraction field in the past 20 years, RSO has been left behind. Here's whats new:

1.Introducing a one hour Room Temperature Winterization.
2.Exploiting Isopropyl’s Super Power.
3.Distilling in Brine water to cleanse and protect the oils.
4.Lower temperature extractions to save CBDA/THCA. Important for today if the acidic state can impede COVID from entering cells.

This is a free process to anyone wanting cleaner oil, nothing for sale. This is strictly an educational site. When you have a chance, check out www.CannabisHomeSciences.com to explore a radical new approach to making RSO.

Oh, I would love to hear feedback Please critique for any typo's, ambiguities or scientific inaccuracies. Let me know your thoughts!

…MimiEMU

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Why did you decide to stilt and winterize the RSO? What plant compounds are you trying to remove as it wasn't stated in the user guide

Fats are beneficial when consumed, waxes i'm not so sure of. If we are not dabbing RSO as most aren't, it could be more beneficial to the body to leave this in no?

Howdy,

Sorry for the delay. Retired so I'm moving slowly.

Here's an excellent post that spells out the contents from a high level.
https://aptiaengineering.com/2021/02/02/molecular-compounds-in-hemp/

Your picture shows Phosphatides as the 3rd from the bottom entry. This is the family of phospholipids important in cell structure. Wikipedia does a good job describing phospholipids.

So, take a look at the cooking oil processing industry. This is the industrial complex that existed before our C02/hydrocarbon extraction systems. That clear cooking oil didn't squeeze that way out of the plant, but goes through several steps for cleaning out the unwanted lipids, etc. Here's a couple links to edible oil industrial processing systems showing how its done.
https://www.edibleoilrefinerymachine.com/fully_continuous_edibe_oil_refinery/peanut_oil_refining_production_line_497.html
http://www.bestoilpressmachines.com/edible-oil-refining-line/

Phospholipids are smaller molecules than fats and waxes. Winterizing causes the larger molecules to crystalize but that's not guarranteed with smaller molecules. So in the cooking oil industry, these are separate steps in cleaning up the oil. There are two forms of degumming, acidic and water. you can do them in any order. I'm not sure why it has been overlooked in cannabis processing. Its definitely needed when using alcohol extraction. BHO, C02 and hexane extractions still need to be cleaned up, but I'm not sure of the extent of phospholids in those extractions.

Here's an excerpt out of the RSO2.0 shop manual on degumming (which is getting close to completion, I promise..)

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Shop Talk:

Over the course of development, I ran across this video that piqued my interest in room temperature winterization. Turns out, this might be better described as ‘degumming’. Here’s a concise technical description of how degumming works. This link automatically downloads the .PDF

Enzymatic Degumming of Rice Bran Oil Using Different Commercial Phospholipases and Their Cocktails

“Phospholipids are classified according to their degree of hydration (hydratable and non-hydratable). Hydratable phospholipids (HPL) become insoluble in oil in the presence of water and are easily separated by centrifugation. Most non-hydratable phospholipids (NHPL) are complexed with calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), and iron (Fe) salts, and to be removed, they need the addition of a chelating agent (citric acid or EDTA) to sequester metal ions, allowing their precipitation and separation by centrifugation [5,6].”

This is how Silting is different than Winterization. Silting knocks out Phospholipids with water and acid. Winterization freezes and crystallizes the waxes which then settle out. Both are needed, one doesn’t replace the other.
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So, guessing what is happening in that video fits either degumming or making soap. Either he has added acid to a phospholipid rich oil or he has added Sodium Hydroxide to form soap with visible salts. Either process will look like a snow globe. I have found that degumming results are varied, still tracking down why. Somethimes degumming turns the wash cloudy, somethimes is get a blizzard of a shaken snow globe. So closer examination is needed.

Ya know, ultimately this is an excercise that can be avoided. If you do your wash with an Isopropyl dry ice bath where the temperature (easily) hits -50c/-58f, then the waxes and phospholipids dissolve much slower. Unfortunately, Isopropyl and Ethanol slow down, so the extraction times need to be longer. Per GrayWolf, Isopropyl goes from 20 seconds to 3 minutes and Ethanol goes from 3 minutes to 20 minutes. Dunno how much phospholipids and waxes are left behind after elongated extraction times.
Dry Ice extraction basically makes this whole discussion a mute point, but not everyone has access to dry ice. So its important to make this work for everyone.

MnH said:

If it were really .3 micron no water would pass thru it, let alone 'quickly'... lol.

N95s are a scam for viruses, too.

M

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Hahaha, really? Let me help you out. Take look at this -

https://radontestingdallas.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/chart-particle-sizes-thin-film-membrane-filtration.gif

A cheap hikers reverse osmosis water purifier stops particles 3 orders of magnitude smaller than an N95 and can clean 50 gallons a day. Fast is relative with N95s, 3x faster than a unbleached coffee filter. The fastest filtering would have multiple layers with the inner layer being replaceable. This way, the innerlayer catches a majority of the particulates and leaves the mask material clear. This is really important. it takes hours to pass a liter wash through a #4 single unbleached coffee filter. You can speed that up by swapping the inner layer with a fresh filter after each 250ml of wash. This means swapping out 4 paper liners per liter but it keeps filtering down under an hour.

I've hunted down the magic material to build your own filter. The material is a nylon non-woven hot blown fabric with a "MERV" rating system. MERV 16 is the rating for layers of an N95. You can buy the material, hot sealer and make your own.

Watch this space for future solutions!

This thread should be sticky. It greatly improves the RSO process.