Best led for 2x2,5?

mauro88

Member
I am growing 4 autoflowers in a 2x2.5 tent.
I need the best led light available (probably fullspectrum?)

How do you guys think about the next light mini?
And what do you think of the Optic 1 XL?
If there are better lights that I should buy please let me know! And tell me why :)

The light is for veg and flower
 

samlant

Member
Building my own right now, similar size to you, 2x4 in a tent. I've forgone purchasing a pre-built kit and instead have gone the DIY route. For the same price of that one LED (~150-170 USD?), you can build your own with multiple LEDs/COBs/strips and have better floor coverage at the same or greater wattage, and have more control over the mounting system and components.

FWIW, I will be purchasing 6 Samsung F564B 2' strips ($17.22 USD each) wired as 3s2p with an HLG-240H-C1750 ($62 USD) @ around 250 watts, and each strip receiving about 900mA. For your space, you could probably go with 4 of those 2' strips or 8 of the one footers with an HLG-185H-C1050 ($51 USD), that would put you at around 200 watts and a good spread, and very good efficiency since you won't be driving the LEDs hard. Not to mention, it's cheaper than the Optic 1 XL (at leat that Amazon showed).
 
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mauro88

Member
Building my own right now, similar size to you, 2x4 in a tent. I've forgone purchasing a pre-built kit and instead have gone the DIY route. For the same price of that one LED (~150-170 USD?), you can build your own with multiple LEDs/COBs/strips and have better floor coverage at the same or greater wattage, and have more control over the mounting system and components.

FWIW, I will be purchasing 6 Samsung F564B 2' strips ($17.22 USD each) wired as 3s2p with an HLG-240H-C1750 ($62 USD) @ around 250 watts, and each strip receiving about 900mA. For your space, you could probably go with 4 of those 2' strips or 8 of the one footers with an HLG-185H-C1050 ($51 USD), that would put you at around 200 watts and a good spread, and very good efficiency since you won't be driving the LEDs hard. Not to mention, it's cheaper than the Optic 1 XL (at leat that Amazon showed).
Are these leds the best you can get now? Or just as good as the ones from nextlight?
 

samlant

Member
"Best" is hard to define without criteria. Moreover, I'm not an expert in this field, but I know enough to throw some things out here. First, nextlight's primary focus on the mini is efficiency, so if that is your concern, also take into consideration the efficiency of their included AC-DC transformer and the light : heat ratio of the output of the mini. Also, I chose the F564B's due to them fitting my tent idea's design well, are upgrade-able to a 4x4 area if I do that in the future, cost less compared with other LED strips currently, and they cost less than a pre-built system that would give me 250W. In some aspects, these LEDs can be counted as the "best," though not according to every criteria, such as ease of setup, safety (mostly during setup, but what if when I wire things up that I forget something and then 150+ volts are surging through the system and potentially harm someone, yikes!), or the amount of tools required to install and set-up (not everyone has a soldering gun).

Define some criteria to what's important for you? Higher upfront costs for lower maintenance/monthly costs? Upgrade-ability to future builds and tents? Convenience of setup and use?

As to a quality comparison between the two lights, I cannot comment on that. I simply would not pay that $500+ for something I could build for $150. Also, I couldn't find a good datasheet for the mini.

Lastly, think about defects, damage, and blow-outs: which systems are easier to replace? It looks like the mini is active cooled, which means there is potential for the fans to break; if the fans break, would you have to replace the whole unit? If something breaks in my setup, I only have to replace a 5-10 dollar fan (though I'm not using fans, so I guess not hehe)
 

mauro88

Member
"Best" is hard to define without criteria. Moreover, I'm not an expert in this field, but I know enough to throw some things out here. First, nextlight's primary focus on the mini is efficiency, so if that is your concern, also take into consideration the efficiency of their included AC-DC transformer and the light : heat ratio of the output of the mini. Also, I chose the F564B's due to them fitting my tent idea's design well, are upgrade-able to a 4x4 area if I do that in the future, cost less compared with other LED strips currently, and they cost less than a pre-built system that would give me 250W. In some aspects, these LEDs can be counted as the "best," though not according to every criteria, such as ease of setup, safety (mostly during setup, but what if when I wire things up that I forget something and then 150+ volts are surging through the system and potentially harm someone, yikes!), or the amount of tools required to install and set-up (not everyone has a soldering gun).

Define some criteria to what's important for you? Higher upfront costs for lower maintenance/monthly costs? Upgrade-ability to future builds and tents? Convenience of setup and use?

As to a quality comparison between the two lights, I cannot comment on that. I simply would not pay that $500+ for something I could build for $150. Also, I couldn't find a good datasheet for the mini.

Lastly, think about defects, damage, and blow-outs: which systems are easier to replace? It looks like the mini is active cooled, which means there is potential for the fans to break; if the fans break, would you have to replace the whole unit? If something breaks in my setup, I only have to replace a 5-10 dollar fan (though I'm not using fans, so I guess not hehe)
The mini has passive cooling.

I am sure that I will not upgrade my tent size. I just want the best results for the plants, all the other criteria don’t really matter to me. But if I could make somthing as good myself for less, I guess that’s a better option for me. As long as it’s safe!
 

Chip Green

Well-Known Member
A DIY LED "lamp" can be as safe as any UL Listed fixture available on the market, provided it is built with properly rated components.
My opinion I suppose, but I'd wager I'm not alone here.
 

GBAUTO

Well-Known Member
I'll say it again...use a full sheet aluminum baking pan 18x24
I use 5 of the LT-F564B strips on a HLG-240-48B driver.
Absolutely crushes a 2x3 space.
 

nfhiggs

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Yeah, i wasn't able to post links due to post count. Arrow sells for 17.22 each at minimums of 1.
Hmmm - your the second person thats brought this weird pricing glitch on Arrows web site to my attention. It seems that when they are out of stock the single piece price changes to the 500 piece volume discount price - which for Samsung strips is about a 35% discount. I'm gonna have to think on this.....
 

dbrn32

Active Member
Hmmm - your the second person thats brought this weird pricing glitch on Arrows web site to my attention. It seems that when they are out of stock the single piece price changes to the 500 piece volume discount price - which for Samsung strips is about a 35% discount. I'm gonna have to think on this.....
Seen it first hand with eb’s on Arrow too.
 

Cannibas grower

Active Member
I recommend the mars hydro COB to you, the coverage is 2.5'x2.5', it's must suit for you, and COB is popular led grow light series, many growers like COB, I didn't agree DIY, it is not safe, I have bought the mars hydro from Joy, she is very kind and help me a lot, you can contact her to get more information and professional answer, her email is [email protected] . maybe she can give you discount too:)
 

nfhiggs

Well-Known Member
Seen it first hand with eb’s on Arrow too.
Yes, but the EB's don't get a heavy volume discount like the Samsungs do. They drop maybe 10% in volume pricing.

I myself have noticed this weirdness, but never really thought about it. I didn't know if you could even place an order for an out of stock item...
 

samlant

Member
Hmmm - your the second person thats brought this weird pricing glitch on Arrows web site to my attention. It seems that when they are out of stock the single piece price changes to the 500 piece volume discount price - which for Samsung strips is about a 35% discount. I'm gonna have to think on this.....
Very interesting. That makes a whole lotta sense though why they’re competitively priced with the “more economical" Bridgelux EB2's. Does this mean that for bang-for-buck and quality he Samsungs would be a better choice than the Bridgelux? Despite the heatsink costs for the samsung (is a heatsink necessary for samsungs? I'm sure they are, probably minimal though)
 

nfhiggs

Well-Known Member
Very interesting. That makes a whole lotta sense though why they’re competitively priced with the “more economical" Bridgelux EB2's. Does this mean that for bang-for-buck and quality he Samsungs would be a better choice than the Bridgelux? Despite the heatsink costs for the samsung (is a heatsink necessary for samsungs? I'm sure they are, probably minimal though)
No, the heatsink really isn't needed at test current and below. They will run fine without one, but they do need some support in the middle or they will droop. I use .601 profile heat sink anyway, but its dirt cheap at about a dollar a foot.

And yeah, I do think the Samsungs are the best bang for the buck.
 
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