Breeding indoors the natural way??

Kushmanzam420

Kushmanzam420

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Hey folks new here ... I am curious as to breeding without selecting cuts first just like in nature several phenos 5 male 5 female and just let them go at it in the tent naturally and then grow seeds out to get different phenos this way.... and selecting the best f1s to breed from this and then again doing it and selecting best f2..... this way I could have multiple seeds and skip the whole cloning and pre genetic selection by growing out each clone..

I am limited on space and I dont have a cloner...
But i want lots of seeds work with..

What are your thoughts???
 
T macc

T macc

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That's what I did recently. I have a big project that will take years to make. Now I will take clones, because I want to be very selective about the males.

What you're looking to do is an open pollination. Collect the pollen from the males, and brush pollen on 1 or 2 branches of every plant. Or, do a whole seed harvest by leaving the males in with the females.

When this is done, at harvest, smoke and compare all the females and choose the seeds of your favorite bud. Repeat with the progeny to make F2s. This is what Tom Hill did, and theres nothing wrong with that. Mr. Hill also would select seeds from, say, an F5 and cross it back to the F2 seeds.
 
taint

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Best way to start with limited seed stock.
Then select the progeny for what they already naturally tend towards.
Like begats like especially when done over many generations.
 
Kushmanzam420

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Ohh.... okay dude thanks so much for the reply this is great information ...
I never thought of that!
So... open pollination/ whole seed harvesting souds perfect I just want simplicity old fashion no brushing I've tried to save pollen with great disappointment i had collected some pollen from males I received from dj shorts son at second generation seeds.. some limoneen queen but to my disappointment it when applied had no affect it must have gotten wet... but I have some really great regular seeds I was gifted from local breeder and wanted to make some more to have a lifelong supply of seeds. This is awesome thanks so much for the help I'll 100% try this... thanks GROWMIE
 
Kushmanzam420

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T macc said:
I'd say go for it! I personally dont proceed with any plants that show any type of intersex. No males with pistils, and no nanner females.
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Fair I agree no point of carrying on the Herme line of genetic traits... strictly looking for the frostiest heaviest yeild with flavour color aroma and great high if possible the dream strain... but self pollinating bud would be great for female seeds if this would be possible without colloidal silver additions.. but that's a whole other topic
 
Kushmanzam420

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Gemtree said:
Nice I have old og chem, headbanger, and afpak I've been wanting to preserve and was wondering if open pollination was best since I don't have many seeds
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That's an amazing lineup of seeds I would for sure try and save those genetics of possible free quality herb for life that's the goal...
 
T macc

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Kushmanzam420 said:
Fair I agree no point of carrying on the Herme line of genetic traits... strictly looking for the frostiest heaviest yeild with flavour color aroma and great high if possible the dream strain... but self pollinating bud would be great for female seeds if this would be possible without colloidal silver additions.. but that's a whole other topic
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Rodelization. It's not something I've tried, nor seen the results from the process. Its letting your plant live long after harvest time

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ilovereggae

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Im not quite ready to start my breeding projects but recently bought a bunch of packs of BOG stuff. Part of the reason I chose his genetics is because is some of them are the closest to the original 20 yrs ago Amsterdam genetics that is around at the moment. The others are him digging through the crosses and then backcrossing to the original special pheno to maintain vigor. I figure the closer to landraces and further from 4 way polyhybrid crosses the better chance to not have herms and unpredictable traits showing up in later generations.

I also think that there is something to be said for open pollination, and collecting herb from the different phenos. I can say from experience the RSO oil that we got for my son in Jamaica that was from organic open field pollination was on another level from oil that is monoculture of the same pheno, even the stuff that I make myself. The strain was pretty stable that they were using, but imagine if you have 10 phenos, and you make some medicine from the combination of all those various expressions of the plant. Its like a rainbow of cannabinoids instead of just one color if that makes sense. I feel like this is closer to how herb has been used throughout history and we might be losing something from our modern methods.
 
Kushmanzam420

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ilovereggae said:
Im not quite ready to start my breeding projects but recently bought a bunch of packs of BOG stuff. Part of the reason I chose his genetics is because is some of them are the closest to the original 20 yrs ago Amsterdam genetics that is around at the moment. The others are him digging through the crosses and then backcrossing to the original special pheno to maintain vigor. I figure the closer to landraces and further from 4 way polyhybrid crosses the better chance to not have herms and unpredictable traits showing up in later generations.

I also think that there is something to be said for open pollination, and collecting herb from the different phenos. I can say from experience the RSO oil that we got for my son in Jamaica that was from organic open field pollination was on another level from oil that is monoculture of the same pheno, even the stuff that I make myself. The strain was pretty stable that they were using, but imagine if you have 10 phenos, and you make some medicine from the combination of all those various expressions of the plant. Its like a rainbow of cannabinoids instead of just one color if that makes sense. I feel like this is closer to how herb has been used throughout history and we might be losing something from our modern methods.
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Couldn't have said it better mate ... Nature is the ultimate way of creating life as we know it.. I am huge fan of going the distance with true genetics and nature really just taking its course because that is where magic happens too much control from the human hand well we all know how that plays out..haha bit serious quality truly come out when nature has its hand in the efforts.. you all have me sold open pollination is my next experiment stoked tonsee what I will get!!!
 
ilovereggae

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Kushmanzam420 said:
Couldn't have said it better mate ... Nature is the ultimate way of creating life as we know it.. I am huge fan of going the distance with true genetics and nature really just taking its course because that is where magic happens too much control from the human hand well we all know how that plays out..haha bit serious quality truly come out when nature has its hand in the efforts.. you all have me sold open pollination is my next experiment stoked tonsee what I will get!!!
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One thing I forgot to add. My friends method for open pollination breeding was to only let the first/strongest male live and kill the rest. That was how he kept the vigor in the strain and from it drifting into too many different versions.

That said his uncle did the opposite and would wait to find the ones that took the longest, and then breed them to the females that took the longest. This is how he was pheno hunting trying to get back to the original landrace sativa genetics. Last I heard he has some 12-14 ft tall monsters going.
 
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T macc said:
Rodelization. It's not something I've tried, nor seen the results from the process. Its letting your plant live long after harvest time

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This is amazing ... great read ... i love his passions about this thanks for sharing awesome made my day
 
ILLJTHEDOPEMAN

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So real quick I have some gmo runtz from ethos seeds. I have 3 regular seeds if I let those go naturally and collect the seeds would those be all good regular seeds new at breeding and curious I have a few books on the way but I figured I’d ask
 
tko2184

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I e made up my mind to do a breed w a cross I thing is going to be flame I only have 6 seeds and wanted to know what would be best option first I intend to f2 them and then pop-80-100 and run them my question is is this the best way to find a male stud in a line I know I will find some keepers females and also I was wondering if I should just select the best male from the bunch to the best female and let them reside in the same tent or best male to all females thanks I’m gonna work this line that is the intent
 
Kushmanzam420

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ILLJTHEDOPEMAN said:
Thanks a million also from what I’m reading if I grow a female and spray her with colloidal silver and she pollenstes herself those will be feminized seeds?
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This is very possible absolutely in breeding stress testing your plants is key and colloidal silver stresses your plant to produce its own bananas aka male flowers and selfing making pure feminised seed lines. The dominant female gene is shown here and when you induce it to become a self pollinated female it produces predominance of the female gene. The best thing about this for breeding is the key component of stressing the plants in breeding stress testing your plants in uncompatable or ultimately NON ideal conditions light air soil etc... and if the genetics are so potent and well rounded
"stabilized" The herme traits will be very depressed and the ideal respectable traits will be very strong its good to do this with feminized lines as they tend to over time degrade and create recessive genes which is no good.
 
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tko2184 said:
I e made up my mind to do a breed w a cross I thing is going to be flame I only have 6 seeds and wanted to know what would be best option first I intend to f2 them and then pop-80-100 and run them my question is is this the best way to find a male stud in a line I know I will find some keepers females and also I was wondering if I should just select the best male from the bunch to the best female and let them reside in the same tent or best male to all females thanks I’m gonna work this line that is the intent
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Hey brother soo
If your limited by space... or have a legal limit to number of plants allowed to produce there is a limitation it can absolutely still work all breeding takes is 1 fem and 1 male ... ideally selecting high quality Phenos is key and searching for the fasting growing most vigorous specimen is productive and efficient search for the best looking most ideal strain smelly stinky robust fast growing stress resistant plant and this will be your optimum pheno as it most likely correlates with its inner genotype not always and this is just from experience. HOWEVER in my experience usually the old school pheno hunting skills are highly underrated and highly important. Do the finger test rub the thick stems with your pointer and thumb and smell it feelnitnout talk to her and him... at worst hermes and at best the top notch cannabis you've been searching for all in all its a game of patience it can take 3 to 3.5 years to stabilize a line of single strain but the fruits of your hardwork and dedication will pay-off
 
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