Can I do 30% top soil, 30% compost, 30% promix and 10% worm castings?

mwinpp

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Hi guys! I want to try growing organic and I figured I could do it with what I have laying around at home in my greenhouse. I plan on adding 4-4-4 Gaia Green fertilizer, granular K-Mag, granular boron and calcium powder (volatenite) as well.

Does that sound like a decent soil-mix / "supersoil", or am I missing anything?

Thanks!!
 

Weedvin

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Hi guys! I want to try growing organic and I figured I could do it with what I have laying around at home in my greenhouse. I plan on adding 4-4-4 Gaia Green fertilizer, granular K-Mag, granular boron and calcium powder (volatenite) as well.

Does that sound like a decent soil-mix / "supersoil", or am I missing anything?

Thanks!!
And Bentonite Clay/ silica sand
 

mwinpp

Member
Ya perlite is fine. I use pumice instead since it doesn't break down, but I'm experimenting with no-till.
Thank you! I really appreciate it. I'll have to see if I have anything around. My wife is a professional gardener, so I usually have a bunch of stuff available :p Otherwise, I'll check my local garden center. Have an awesome night!
 

Weedvin

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Thank you! I really appreciate it. I'll have to see if I have anything around. My wife is a professional gardener, so I usually have a bunch of stuff available :p Otherwise, I'll check my local garden center. Have an awesome night!
Ace Hardware hth silica sand.
Special Kitty Bentonite Clay Wal-Mart. It sounded organic untill the triple 4's. I can only say what I do.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Thank you! I really appreciate it. I'll have to see if I have anything around. My wife is a professional gardener, so I usually have a bunch of stuff available :p Otherwise, I'll check my local garden center. Have an awesome night!
Sounds like you need to get your wife in on this. Honey help me please. You might actually make her feel really good and get extra special attention later, lol.
 

myke

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Thank you! I really appreciate it. I'll have to see if I have anything around. My wife is a professional gardener, so I usually have a bunch of stuff available :p Otherwise, I'll check my local garden center. Have an awesome night!
Lucky you,
Popular mix is 40 peat 40 perlight 20 compost /ewc.
3 cups food per cuft,4 cups minerals/rock dust per cuft.
1 cup dolomite lime per cuft.
 

mwinpp

Member
Sounds like you need to get your wife in on this. Honey help me please. You might actually make her feel really good and get extra special attention later, lol.
Yeah, shes my growing mentor. She grow 150 tomato plants in a 50/50 mix of promix and compost right now, but I think there is a better way for cannabis.
 

kratos015

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Yeah, shes my growing mentor. She grow 150 tomato plants in a 50/50 mix of promix and compost right now, but I think there is a better way for cannabis.
If she's growing in beds and/or holes in the ground, this definitely works. For indoor/pots though, extra perlite is definitely a requirement, 30-40% of the mix should be perlite in pots.

As for growing in the ground? The perlite needed is much more minimal, especially if your native top soil has lots of sand in clay in it. I buy a 3 cuft of Kellogg compost mix, dig a hole, mix the native dirt with the compost mix and now I have 5 cuft of soil for $8 and some digging. To that 5 cuft, I add 1 cuft perlite.

Promix comes with perlite, and if she's growing in the ground then she can get away with the amount of perlite in the pro-mix.

If she's got that many tomatoes, it's reasonable to infer that she makes her own compost by this point, yes? If the compost is homemade? 30% is definitely a great ratio. Store bought compost? Not so much, aside from a few rare exceptions. If she's got her own compost pile, its very easy to see why she's having so much success with the promix/compost mix.

Indoor/pot growers typically need to add extra drainage to store bought soils, to prevent stagnant water. In the ground, stagnant water will be a rare occurrence, if one at all.


Hi guys! I want to try growing organic and I figured I could do it with what I have laying around at home in my greenhouse. I plan on adding 4-4-4 Gaia Green fertilizer, granular K-Mag, granular boron and calcium powder (volatenite) as well.

Does that sound like a decent soil-mix / "supersoil", or am I missing anything?

Thanks!!
K-mag, as in Sul-po-mag/Langbeinite? Don't add that to your soil, way excessive for new plants. Langbeinite is great, but only if you know you have a plant that is that heavy of a feeder. I use the tiniest bit of it midway through flower/fruiting, and only if it looks like the plant will need it, or I know it's a heavy feeder.

4-4-4 Gaia Green is good stuff, if the Promix is new then no need to use 4-4-4 yet. Top dress with it in 4-6 weeks, and reapply as directed on the package. Old/used pro-mix will need to be re-amended. The promix and compost will have plenty for young plants. In fact, if your wife has homemade quality compost, and that's what you're using, you

What is the purpose of the granular boron or calcium powders? Your 4-4-4 mix already has plenty of Calcium inputs (gypsum and oyster flour), doubtful you'll need the calcium powders. Plants do need boron, however products like TM-7 or Big 6 are preferable for micro-nutrients if possible.




All of that said though? If your wife is making her own compost, and is doing so well with tomatoes, then she definitely knows her stuff. If this is the case, pick her brain and seek her input as often as you can. She sounds like she has a lot of experience, and if she's been making her own compost for a long enough time? That compost will do better than any product you can buy, even better if it's turned into EWC.

Regards.
 

myke

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Last year a lot of my flowers and veggies in pots were promix and store bought compost about 50/50.Stunted for the first month they were.They slowly came around but Ill never do that again.
 

mwinpp

Member
If she's growing in beds and/or holes in the ground, this definitely works. For indoor/pots though, extra perlite is definitely a requirement, 30-40% of the mix should be perlite in pots.

As for growing in the ground? The perlite needed is much more minimal, especially if your native top soil has lots of sand in clay in it. I buy a 3 cuft of Kellogg compost mix, dig a hole, mix the native dirt with the compost mix and now I have 5 cuft of soil for $8 and some digging. To that 5 cuft, I add 1 cuft perlite.

Promix comes with perlite, and if she's growing in the ground then she can get away with the amount of perlite in the pro-mix.

If she's got that many tomatoes, it's reasonable to infer that she makes her own compost by this point, yes? If the compost is homemade? 30% is definitely a great ratio. Store bought compost? Not so much, aside from a few rare exceptions. If she's got her own compost pile, its very easy to see why she's having so much success with the promix/compost mix.

Indoor/pot growers typically need to add extra drainage to store bought soils, to prevent stagnant water. In the ground, stagnant water will be a rare occurrence, if one at all.




K-mag, as in Sul-po-mag/Langbeinite? Don't add that to your soil, way excessive for new plants. Langbeinite is great, but only if you know you have a plant that is that heavy of a feeder. I use the tiniest bit of it midway through flower/fruiting, and only if it looks like the plant will need it, or I know it's a heavy feeder.

4-4-4 Gaia Green is good stuff, if the Promix is new then no need to use 4-4-4 yet. Top dress with it in 4-6 weeks, and reapply as directed on the package. Old/used pro-mix will need to be re-amended. The promix and compost will have plenty for young plants. In fact, if your wife has homemade quality compost, and that's what you're using, you

What is the purpose of the granular boron or calcium powders? Your 4-4-4 mix already has plenty of Calcium inputs (gypsum and oyster flour), doubtful you'll need the calcium powders. Plants do need boron, however products like TM-7 or Big 6 are preferable for micro-nutrients if possible.




All of that said though? If your wife is making her own compost, and is doing so well with tomatoes, then she definitely knows her stuff. If this is the case, pick her brain and seek her input as often as you can. She sounds like she has a lot of experience, and if she's been making her own compost for a long enough time? That compost will do better than any product you can buy, even better if it's turned into EWC.

Regards.
Thank you for your very detailed answer! We do make our own compost to a certain extend, but we generally buy it from a local Mennonite by the truck load (about 30 yds/year).

Basically what I'm hearing you saying, is to hold back on the amendments and fertilizer for the first while because the compost and promix has a lot of stuff already in it. Right? I could do 40% soil, 40% promix and just 10% each of compost and earthwoom castings? And instead of admending the soil from the get-go with 4-4-4, I should just top dress after a month or two? I hope I'm reading this right. Thanks!! :)
 

Hipposcottamus1

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I am also using Gia Green as fertilizer and for the 2nd year in a row I have had great success with this.
25% compost/top soil/peat/perilite. Mix in Gia Green at reccommended amounts and then I top dress every 3 weeks. Slowly switch to Gia Green 2.8.4 a few weeks out of flower by going 25% 2.8.4 / 75% 4.4.4 until you eventually get to 100% 2.8.4.
 

mwinpp

Member
I am also using Gia Green as fertilizer and for the 2nd year in a row I have had great success with this.
25% compost/top soil/peat/perilite. Mix in Gia Green at reccommended amounts and then I top dress every 3 weeks. Slowly switch to Gia Green 2.8.4 a few weeks out of flower by going 25% 2.8.4 / 75% 4.4.4 until you eventually get to 100% 2.8.4.
Such great info, thank you very much!!
 

wil2279

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Right! Good point. So I should add Perlite or something similar for aeration?
Standard soil recipe is
1/3 peat or coco
1/3 compost & castings
1/3 perlite or vermiculite or rice hulls

If you are using dry ammendments, you could probably do
50-60% coco or peat moss
30% perlite or rice hulls or whatever
10-20% castings and add your dry ammendments
 
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