Clones getting sad and diying

Calivalley209 · Aug 16, 2021

Tangerine_ said:
Are you presoaking the rockwool in a pH'd water?

I occasionally use an aerocloner during the cooler months but I mainly use rockwool. I take a lot clones and keep cultivars separated in their own trays as part of my mechanical IPM.

Plants are very vulnerable at the clone stage. Open wounds on cuttings can invited pathogens. I've found placing cuts in a cup of tap waters (some growers even add a drop or two of bleach) helps ensure survival and reduces bacterial infections.

Then dip and place in rockwool. Spray the dome and just leave them alone for a week.

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I wish my looks like those

Tangerine_ said:
Are you presoaking the rockwool in a pH'd water?

I occasionally use an aerocloner during the cooler months but I mainly use rockwool. I take a lot clones and keep cultivars separated in their own trays as part of my mechanical IPM.

Plants are very vulnerable at the clone stage. Open wounds on cuttings can invited pathogens. I've found placing cuts in a cup of tap waters (some growers even add a drop or two of bleach) helps ensure survival and reduces bacterial infections.

Then dip and place in rockwool. Spray the dome and just leave them alone for a week.

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Yea I put them in ph 5.8 water for 15 min.

Calivalley209 · Aug 16, 2021

I know am getting roots on the clone because when I pull them out the rockwool the clones have toots but they still die I got this pics. Hopefully they help

Calivalley209 · Aug 17, 2021

The basquet that I did a day ago some of the clones are showing symptoms am putting a dome

Calivalley209 · Aug 17, 2021

Day number 3 on thw one thta I start with no dome yesterday they were some sad one so I put the dome and they came back up again so know am thinking on keeping the dome

Calivalley209 · Aug 17, 2021

Day number 3 the one that start with the dome let me know what you think

GlassJoe · Aug 17, 2021

Everything looks/sounds pretty normal. I wouldn't worry too much about the droopy ones, I've had clones that drooped in lower humidity that perked back up when the humidity got higher after I closed the vents or misted them with water.

In general with clones, no news is good news for the first week or so. They should mostly just look like nothing is changing until you can see roots out the bottom but I would not expect them sooner than 10 days at least and there's not really much you can do until then.

Calivalley209 · Aug 18, 2021

Day number 4 on both with dome very happy how they are looking nice green looking healthy no mold looks nice so far what you guys think let me know

Calivalley209 · Aug 19, 2021

Day number 5 on both domes both look nice healthy nice green color no sad ones looking good am excited

GlassJoe · Aug 19, 2021

Looks good! Like I said, nothing should really change with your cuttings until roots become visible and I wouldn't count on that happening until day 10 at the earliest with some taking 14 days+. They should be fine.

Wastei · Aug 19, 2021

Calivalley209 said:
Can you show a pic of yours if you don't mind please thanks

Here's a 8 site i built maybe ten days ago. I like even numbers and also got some smaller 16 sites for smaller cuts. Homemade plugs lol!

Roots starting to sprout in usually 7-10 days. Sativa's are a couple of days faster, think Kali mist started to show nubs in 5 days. I'm gonna check my cuttings I left for fun in one of my watering wessels, I think they also gonna root.

One big advantage of water cloning is that it's easier to take big cuts.

Alter Jean · Aug 19, 2021

Sometimes I use those glass starbucks cups from the coffee things. Works pretty good for larger cuttings..
I try to save power where I can so I do the cube thing but latey switched to pure coco.. Most the time dome comes off in 3-5 days roots in 7-10..
Then into cups or something else to transition..

@Tangerine_ your roots are seemingly large and abundantly fuzzy. Can you fill me in please?
Is that the strain or are you doing magic? I am not doing something correctly. Don't want to highjack the thread...

Calivalley209 · Aug 19, 2021

Wastei said:
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Here's a 8 site i built maybe ten days ago. I like even numbers and also got some smaller 16 sites for smaller cuts. Homemade plugs lol! View attachment 4968754
Roots starting to sprout in usually 7-10 days. Sativa's are a couple of days faster, think Kali mist started to show nubs in 5 days. I'm gonna check my cuttings I left for fun in one of my watering wessels, I think they also gonna root.

One big advantage of water cloning is that it's easier to take big cuts. View attachment 4968755

Looks nice and cool

Calivalley209 · Aug 19, 2021

Alter Jean said:
Sometimes I use those glass starbucks cups from the coffee things. Works pretty good for larger cuttings..
I try to save power where I can so I do the cube thing but latey switched to pure coco.. Most the time dome comes off in 3-5 days roots in 7-10..
Then into cups or something else to transition..

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@Tangerine_ your roots are seemingly large and abundantly fuzzy. Can you fill me in please?
Is that the strain or are you doing magic? I am not doing something correctly. Don't want to highjack the thread...

They look nice and healthy

Tangerine_ · Aug 20, 2021

Alter Jean said:
Sometimes I use those glass starbucks cups from the coffee things. Works pretty good for larger cuttings..
I try to save power where I can so I do the cube thing but latey switched to pure coco.. Most the time dome comes off in 3-5 days roots in 7-10..
Then into cups or something else to transition..

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@Tangerine_ your roots are seemingly large and abundantly fuzzy. Can you fill me in please?
Is that the strain or are you doing magic? I am not doing something correctly. Don't want to highjack the thread...

No magic, lol. Just a basic 1,2,3 like everyone else. I try to prep the moms a day or two before I take cuttings with a foliar of aloe and/or kelp.
I presoak the rockwool over night in a mild nutrient solution ph'd to 5.5.
And I leave the cuts in a cup of RO water overnight to get them really well hydrated before I make a new cut with a clean blade. Dip and place in the RW, then spray the dome, cover and place under dim light for a week or so.

Those clones above were dipped in Azos. I use this ->Xtreme Gardening Azos 6 oz (12/Cs) – Simply Hydroponics when I have it on hand but its a little pricey so I normally just use Dip N Grow.
I also just started using these round rockwool plugs with the slit. Grodan MacroPlug Round w/ Slit (50/Bag) (35 Bags/Cs) – Simply Hydroponics

Look at the difference in root growth.

(ignore my garden hands. I missed my mani-pedi this week...err year :oops:

)

I think the round ones offer a better water to air exchange.

Calivalley209 said:
Day number 3 the one that start with the dome let me know what you think

They look good. A little longer than I normally cut them but I think those will root fine for ya. I've found the longer cuts struggle to remain hydrated.

Alter Jean · Aug 20, 2021

Tangerine_ said:
No magic, lol. Just a basic 1,2,3 like everyone else. I try to prep the moms a day or two before I take cuttings with a foliar of aloe and/or kelp.
I presoak the rockwool over night in a mild nutrient solution ph'd to 5.5.
And I leave the cuts in a cup of RO water overnight to get them really well hydrated before I make a new cut with a clean blade. Dip and place in the RW, then spray the dome, cover and place under dim light for a week or so.

Those clones above were dipped in Azos. I use this ->Xtreme Gardening Azos 6 oz (12/Cs) – Simply Hydroponics when I have it on hand but its a little pricey so I normally just use Dip N Grow.
I also just started using these round rockwool plugs with the slit. Grodan MacroPlug Round w/ Slit (50/Bag) (35 Bags/Cs) – Simply Hydroponics

Look at the difference in root growth.
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(ignore my garden hands. I missed my mani-pedi this week...err year )

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I think the round ones offer a better water to air exchange.

They look good. A little longer than I normally cut them but I think those will root fine for ya. I've found the longer cuts struggle to remain hydrated.

Good to know you're using the Azos. I use it also. It's great but not getting crazy alien roots like yours.
Was wondering if you had cut the slits in those after I saw the first photo thanks for the link..

Going to make some changes with the coco thing I've been doing and see what happens and If nothing, going to try those round ones.

You mention the smaller cuts vs larger cuts. Are yours going to the base of the rockwool or sitting somewhere in the middle? I can't tell from the picture but looks like in the middle. Sorry for so many questions and sorry to the OP for the highjack :blsmoke:

Tangerine_ · Aug 20, 2021

Alter Jean said:
You mention the smaller cuts vs larger cuts. Are yours going to the base of the rockwool or sitting somewhere in the middle? I can't tell from the picture but looks like in the middle.

It hard to see with the shadows, but I poke them in all the way to the bottom until I can feel the stem about to poke thru.

Calivalley209 · Aug 20, 2021

Tangerine_ said:
No magic, lol. Just a basic 1,2,3 like everyone else. I try to prep the moms a day or two before I take cuttings with a foliar of aloe and/or kelp.
I presoak the rockwool over night in a mild nutrient solution ph'd to 5.5.
And I leave the cuts in a cup of RO water overnight to get them really well hydrated before I make a new cut with a clean blade. Dip and place in the RW, then spray the dome, cover and place under dim light for a week or so.

Those clones above were dipped in Azos. I use this ->Xtreme Gardening Azos 6 oz (12/Cs) – Simply Hydroponics when I have it on hand but its a little pricey so I normally just use Dip N Grow.
I also just started using these round rockwool plugs with the slit. Grodan MacroPlug Round w/ Slit (50/Bag) (35 Bags/Cs) – Simply Hydroponics

Look at the difference in root growth.
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View attachment 4968915

(ignore my garden hands. I missed my mani-pedi this week...err year )

View attachment 4968909
I think the round ones offer a better water to air exchange.

They look good. A little longer than I normally cut them but I think those will root fine for ya. I've found the longer cuts struggle to remain hydrated.

If you dint mind what nutrients you use and how many ml per gallon

Tangerine_ · Aug 20, 2021

Calivalley209 said:
If you dint mind what nutrients you use and how many ml per gallon

Right now I'm using Clonex at 1tsp/5ml per gallon of RO water. The pH usually comes out to right around 5.5 without needing any additional pH Up or Down. I've also used RX Green Solutions (before the got greedy and doubled their prices)
I normally just use whatever veg nutes I have on hand. I keep the ppms low...no more than 200ppms. Too much will inhibit root growth.

Calivalley209 · Aug 20, 2021

Day 6 can't believe they look this good am starting to think that I left too much water in the rock wool when I did the clones that that why I was getting brown stem

Calivalley209 · Aug 21, 2021

Day 7 on both domes one has 2 that are sad I don't know why and the rockwool it's no dry but no wet do you guys recommend to wet it more or live, still no sigh of roots on non of the dome any recommendations on the rockwool should I get more wet or live it like I said its no dry but not to wet either

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