DJ Short Blueberry

Craigson

Craigson

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Thundercat said:
Dude you can do you how ever you want. The standard that some stoners use is not based on biology. It’s only based on stoners being lazy and wanting one single day to count flower from.

Look into some botany. The “preflower” or “transition” period is very commonly understood. Some botanists lump it with veg some lump it with flower.

However flowering still doesn’t happen until the plant reaches the point where it begins to form flowers. If you actually pay attention to the details you will notice the consistency to the process. I’ve grow well past the 1000+ plant range over the last 14 years. I’ve grown seeds and clones I’ve tested genetics for seed companies and myself. I’ve seen how mature and immature plants respond to things.

Like I said you do you.



I’ve ran a solid 12/12 in my flower room for years man. My last room I was growing in for 6 years. Ive had plants go in and back out of the 12/12 room plenty of times. Unless the plant is physically showing signs of flower production then I’ve always had perfect success with them not trying to reveg or act weird. I’ve also taken clones off of seedlings that went into 12/12 3-4 days earlier to sex. The clones always root and veg just fine even with the seedling showing gender under 12/12.
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Why r u still arguing? Itsbeen verified by old school seed breeders like Sensi and many others.

At the same time, yes anyone can do as they please. Whatever works best for you is best for you.

all good man

cheers
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Craigson said:
Why r u still arguing? Itsbeen verified by old school seed breeders like Sensi and many others.

At the same time, yes anyone can do as they please. Whatever works best for you is best for you.

all good man

cheers
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Dude, troll all you want, you are the one that quoted me and attacked my comment in the first place. I'm not arguing, I'm just much more interested in actual botany, then the word of some old school smokers, they can do what they do to ;). Hope you have a great day doing what you do.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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There is "Correct" and then there is "Correct"
Meaning it may not be Biologically correct to count from flip but it gives growers a decent baseline on what to expect in their garden taking into account how long each varietal takes to go threw it's hormonal switch.
But we all know the calendar doesn't tell us when the flower is done - the plant does
Now let's all kiss and make up lol :peace:
 
M

Mitchician

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OneHitDone said:
There is "Correct" and then there is "Correct"
Meaning it may not be Biologically correct to count from flip but it gives growers a decent baseline on what to expect in their garden taking into account how long each varietal takes to go threw it's hormonal switch.
But we all know the calendar doesn't tell us when the flower is done - the plant does
Now let's all kiss and make up lol :peace:
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Exactly. These dudes are arguing two different points. Misunderstandings are the cause of so much unnecessary stress in this world.
 
dstroy

dstroy

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Thundercat said:
Dude you can do you how ever you want. The standard that some stoners use is not based on biology. It’s only based on stoners being lazy and wanting one single day to count flower from.

Look into some botany. The “preflower” or “transition” period is very commonly understood. Some botanists lump it with veg some lump it with flower.

However flowering still doesn’t happen until the plant reaches the point where it begins to form flowers. If you actually pay attention to the details you will notice the consistency to the process. I’ve grow well past the 1000+ plant range over the last 14 years. I’ve grown seeds and clones I’ve tested genetics for seed companies and myself. I’ve seen how mature and immature plants respond to things.

Like I said you do you.



I’ve ran a solid 12/12 in my flower room for years man. My last room I was growing in for 6 years. Ive had plants go in and back out of the 12/12 room plenty of times. Unless the plant is physically showing signs of flower production then I’ve always had perfect success with them not trying to reveg or act weird. I’ve also taken clones off of seedlings that went into 12/12 3-4 days earlier to sex. The clones always root and veg just fine even with the seedling showing gender under 12/12.
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Dates are concrete, observational evidence is mostly opinion based “I see what I think is a blah blah blah, this plant is blah blah blah, therefore I am flowering”. See?

That’s why we use dates, because they are easy to communicate, and you can be sure that someone will still misinterpret them and they are easy. Imagine how fucking far off they’ll be pissing in the wind with 1 grow of experience trying to say they’re in week 1 of flower when it’s been 5 weeks. It’s an unnecessary complication which truly benefits no one, including you.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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dstroy said:
Dates are concrete, observational evidence is mostly opinion based “I see what I think is a blah blah blah, this plant is blah blah blah, therefore I am flowering”. See?

That’s why we use dates, because they are easy to communicate, and you can be sure that someone will still misinterpret them and they are easy. Imagine how fucking far off they’ll be pissing in the wind with 1 grow of experience trying to say they’re in week 1 of flower when it’s been 5 weeks. It’s an unnecessary complication which truly benefits no one, including you.
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Im glad you see it that way man, and are happy with you grows. You keep doing your thing. Knowing exactly how long my genetics actually take to flower never served me wrong, and learning about the biological changes as the plant grows made me a better grower then just slapping an arbitrary date on them ;).

It’s funny to me that you guys are choosing to comment on my post in this thread rather then the actual OP. Clearly you are just looking for something to troll.
 
gr865

gr865

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That is why I put X day of 12/12, I count from 12/12 but do not harvest at X njmber of days. You have to look at the plants, their formation and the stage the trichs are in. Handheld microscopes are a good thing to have, IMHO

I have stated this before, I was at a cannabis convention and there were a number of us discussing this topic with some breeders and to the man they said they start counting at the start of 12/12 but harvest when the plants are ready not on a given day. The number of days suggested is just a guideline. Too many variables between growers, types of grow, grow conditions and skill level of the grower.

IMHO, I would just watch the plant and with experience you will learn when to pull the plug.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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gr865 said:
That is why I put X day of 12/12, I count from 12/12 but do not harvest at X njmber of days. You have to look at the plants, their formation and the stage the trichs are in. Handheld microscopes are a good thing to have, IMHO

I have stated this before, I was at a cannabis convention and there were a number of us discussing this topic with some breeders and to the man they said they start counting at the start of 12/12 but harvest when the plants are ready not on a given day. The number of days suggested is just a guideline. Too many variables between growers, types of grow, grow conditions and skill level of the grower.

IMHO, I would just watch the plant and with experience you will learn when to pull the plug.
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Very well said man.
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Such a can of worms .... I judge a plant in “ true flower “ after budset and stretch. That’s when it’s job is to bloom.
Flipping to 12/12 means squat , as one can flip a plant “ long enough to sex it “ then go back to veg without issue.

Counting weeks anyways can be moot , since many strains get done “ when they get done. “
As always disregard breeder estimates, as these were either market hype or from controlled breeding grows done by breeder.
And under optimal conditions.
 
Gond00s

Gond00s

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I start counting flower when they have budlets all over the whole plant at least most of the whole plant has small buds but if u count it from 12/12 your going to be counting like almost 11 weeks for indicas it takes about 3 weeks for the plant to switch over to flower fully
 
Shane20chromosomeswh

Shane20chromosomeswh

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hybridway2 said:
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Disagree.
The first day you hit that switch, the plant begins changes. Only once does it take to snap over to flower mode.
Its a total chemical balance switch.
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Hey bro i would not count from the time you switch to 12/12 day 1 flower or you will probably always have some premature mugs listen to what homie just said no disrespect I don’t even star counting until a week in sometimes longer but they call it pre flower
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Shane20chromosomeswh said:
This is dj short blueberry day 35
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Wow! DeJaVu! Lol! Nice!
Counting days only matters to the guy growing it. Your method & mine will noth work for us because we count it to all plants everytime. Doesn't matter unless you're dead set on going exactly what a breeder or seed vendor said. Which can be one week variance anyways. The one week difference in our count method.
Lighting makes a big difference in finish time too.
Eitherway mine was 9 wks from day one of switch.
Same structure as yours pretty much.
Miss her.
 
Shane20chromosomeswh

Shane20chromosomeswh

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hybridway2 said:
Wow! DeJaVu! Lol! Nice!
Counting days only matters to the guy growing it. Your method & mine will noth work for us because we count it to all plants everytime. Doesn't matter unless you're dead set on going exactly what a breeder or seed vendor said. Which can be one week variance anyways. The one week difference in our count method.
Lighting makes a big difference in finish time too.
Eitherway mine was 9 wks from day one of switch.
Same structure as yours pretty much.
Miss her.
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Ya you know what’s up, I agree however you feel comfortable getting your medicine grown is cool. My style is to start counting flower a week after 12/12 but honestly I just go by the way the plant looks I usaully wait for the fan leaves to start loosing their color this is granny skunk x blueberry, underdawg d x blue berry , blueberry and granny skunk
 

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