Does anyone on this planet actually use the full BioCanna line?

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Achalemoipas

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Hello there, organic growers.

I've been looking for information on BioCanna for a long time and NEVER find anything. I haven't found a single grow in countless searches with the BioCanna system exclusively (i.e.: Bioterra soil, BioCanna nutes exclusively, no third party additives).

Every grow I've seen using BioCanna involves using a whole bunch of external products, compost teas, dolomite lime, ferts from other companies, a long list of additives, etc. Basically, in all of the grows I've seen that used BioCanna, you could pretty much remove the BioCanna and get the same result. It was almost used as an additive instead of a main fertilizer.

I even tried to look at "regular" horticulture sites. Nobody seems to have used it for anything. Not for tomatoes, peppers, flowers, nothing.

The only two pieces of consistent information about this line are as follows: BioTerra is full of fungus gnats, and the BioCanna line makes the best tasting weed ever.

The BioCanna site is so completely devoid of information that it almost looks like a scam site. They even make some ridiculous claim about it not risking to carry Avian flu (seriously, WTF? Why not AIDS while you're at it?). I also don't like how Canna seems to want to distance itself from BioCanna. You can't find BioCanna on Canna's Web site. You have to go to a separate one. Why would they do that?

The only conclusion I can come to is that it's simply not a complete system and that it simply can't work on its own, and that it's not even worth trying. I'd love for such a system to exist, but if I have to start making earthworn castings tea and all kinds of shit in my condo, it's just not worth my trouble.

Is my conclusion correct? I'd love to give it a try, but with NOTHING to even suggest it works, I'm not spending 200$ on the full line.
 
cc2012

cc2012

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Hiya Achalemoipas, I Don't know about Biocanna or Canna(though have heard of them) IF you can't find the Info for the Range(Products) then why not just research a different Organic Nutrient Range(Product/Company) instead of stressing about this one...Esp if they seem a little "Fly By Night" - Vague/Dodgy? like you said I'm not spending $200 on full line

So.. why not check out BIOBIZZ or FOX FARMS...Stoned! Lol...can't think of anymore at moment...but there are plenty of Companies that will happily take your monies...

Bat Guano / Earth Worm Castings / Teas...can be simply and not too messy if you Careful...

Peace

I use BIOBIZZ and I'm pretty happy with my Choices, Alg-A-Mic / Heaven / Grow / Bloom

I also Recycle all my Soil/Compost/Perlite/Clay Pebble mixes.
 
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~Dankster~420

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Yeah I've heard of there high $ nutrients b4. In all honesty General Organics, or General Hydroponics is just as good. However I was sent a entire lineup of Nectar For The Gods to test out for the company. I have yet to run a full test on the NFTG, so I cant give a detailed review of that product. I did use it only for vegging in 1 of my past side by side grows I conducted not long ago on here (RIU). I wish I had more info for you on the product your questioning. Hope it all works out for you, and happy growing.

Dank.
Achalemoipas said:
Hello there, organic growers.

I've been looking for information on BioCanna for a long time and NEVER find anything. I haven't found a single grow in countless searches with the BioCanna system exclusively (i.e.: Bioterra soil, BioCanna nutes exclusively, no third party additives).

Every grow I've seen using BioCanna involves using a whole bunch of external products, compost teas, dolomite lime, ferts from other companies, a long list of additives, etc. Basically, in all of the grows I've seen that used BioCanna, you could pretty much remove the BioCanna and get the same result. It was almost used as an additive instead of a main fertilizer.

I even tried to look at "regular" horticulture sites. Nobody seems to have used it for anything. Not for tomatoes, peppers, flowers, nothing.

The only two pieces of consistent information about this line are as follows: BioTerra is full of fungus gnats, and the BioCanna line makes the best tasting weed ever.

The BioCanna site is so completely devoid of information that it almost looks like a scam site. They even make some ridiculous claim about it not risking to carry Avian flu (seriously, WTF? Why not AIDS while you're at it?). I also don't like how Canna seems to want to distance itself from BioCanna. You can't find BioCanna on Canna's Web site. You have to go to a separate one. Why would they do that?

The only conclusion I can come to is that it's simply not a complete system and that it simply can't work on its own, and that it's not even worth trying. I'd love for such a system to exist, but if I have to start making earthworn castings tea and all kinds of shit in my condo, it's just not worth my trouble.

Is my conclusion correct? I'd love to give it a try, but with NOTHING to even suggest it works, I'm not spending 200$ on the full line.
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~Dankster~420

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You could always just purchase from Amazon insted of the BioCanna website if your thinking its a scam website or something.. That way your order would be backed up by Amazon. ;)
Achalemoipas said:
Hello there, organic growers.

I've been looking for information on BioCanna for a long time and NEVER find anything. I haven't found a single grow in countless searches with the BioCanna system exclusively (i.e.: Bioterra soil, BioCanna nutes exclusively, no third party additives).

Every grow I've seen using BioCanna involves using a whole bunch of external products, compost teas, dolomite lime, ferts from other companies, a long list of additives, etc. Basically, in all of the grows I've seen that used BioCanna, you could pretty much remove the BioCanna and get the same result. It was almost used as an additive instead of a main fertilizer.

I even tried to look at "regular" horticulture sites. Nobody seems to have used it for anything. Not for tomatoes, peppers, flowers, nothing.

The only two pieces of consistent information about this line are as follows: BioTerra is full of fungus gnats, and the BioCanna line makes the best tasting weed ever.

The BioCanna site is so completely devoid of information that it almost looks like a scam site. They even make some ridiculous claim about it not risking to carry Avian flu (seriously, WTF? Why not AIDS while you're at it?). I also don't like how Canna seems to want to distance itself from BioCanna. You can't find BioCanna on Canna's Web site. You have to go to a separate one. Why would they do that?

The only conclusion I can come to is that it's simply not a complete system and that it simply can't work on its own, and that it's not even worth trying. I'd love for such a system to exist, but if I have to start making earthworn castings tea and all kinds of shit in my condo, it's just not worth my trouble.

Is my conclusion correct? I'd love to give it a try, but with NOTHING to even suggest it works, I'm not spending 200$ on the full line.
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bunnyface

bunnyface

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Hey,

I just had a look and yeah they dont have it on the uk site, but the canna usa site has it listed with the others..well some fqa's with links to the bio site.

I havnt used the bio line and after using the aqua line i dont think i need too.

But just wanted to say i dont think canna are distancing themselves from the product, other wise they woulda called of something else.
i get what you say about people using it with extras, but just basing your choice on hear say is just like what happen on the A.N. Threads you know.

I will say that the bio bizz line is a great organic fert, and before i went over to hydro was what i used. I simply switched as i was fed up having to add some form of Mg every cycle. (And i went hydro of course.)They did bring out new packaging when i stopped using so maybe the formulation is different.

Yeah the bio canna site is quite shit, i think it was made in dutch though and was quickly and poorly translated as some of the grammer isnt the best.(i know mines terrible ...)
do you lot think they are covering there asses with that bit about ...
'It is also possible that a plant receives insufficient nutrients due to an incorrect method of preparation.' As its not a good/complete line.?.

Ha the more i type the more i am coming to belive its not the best.... Haha, anyhow take it easy.
 
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Achalemoipas

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~Dankster~420 said:
You could always just purchase from Amazon insted of the BioCanna website if your thinking its a scam website or something.. That way your order would be backed up by Amazon. ;)
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I'm not really worried about getting scammed, my local hydro shop carries it. I was just illustrating the complete absence of info.

The guy at the shop seems to really like it, kept telling me it's awesome and that's all he uses when I asked about it, but I've been a salesman too so I don't believe a single word of it. It's the most expensive line they have... Of course he likes it. And even he was recommending using compost tea with it.
 
cc2012

cc2012

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Achalemoipas said:
I'm not spending 200$ on the full line.
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Achalemoipas said:
The guy at the shop seems to really like it, kept telling me it's awesome and that's all he uses.
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Achalemoipas said:
but I've been a salesman too so I don't believe a single word of it.
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Achalemoipas said:
And even he was recommending using compost tea with it.
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You kinda answered your own Question dude ;-)

At the end of the day IF you can't find much Info about it or any Grows done with it???
(Maybe someone on RIU has grown with It, and just It, no added Teas and so on)

Waffling!!!!

Dude its your Dollar, and if you think its worth it...or you just gotta try it..then you wont be happy till you do....


Peace
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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I would argue and say that bio canna is the best nutrient for coco there is. I kno because ive ran it and i have high expectations when it comes down to it. However, its still just another bottle, nothing can truly compete with our ROLS no till.
 
deflectohead

deflectohead

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I run Biocanna in promix or 50/50 promix/amended soil ( for heavy feeders) along with Big Swell and have good results. I don't have pics on here but you can check out my twitter acct @deflectohead for some pics of buds I've grown with it
 
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~Dankster~420

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oh, just threw me off where you said
  • "The BioCanna site is so completely devoid of information that it almost looks like a scam site."​
Achalemoipas said:
I'm not really worried about getting scammed, my local hydro shop carries it. I was just illustrating the complete absence of info.

The guy at the shop seems to really like it, kept telling me it's awesome and that's all he uses when I asked about it, but I've been a salesman too so I don't believe a single word of it. It's the most expensive line they have... Of course he likes it. And even he was recommending using compost tea with it.
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~Dankster~420

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Advanced is some pretty good stuff also.
foreverflyhi said:
I would argue and say that bio canna is the best nutrient for coco there is. I kno because ive ran it and i have high expectations when it comes down to it. However, its still just another bottle, nothing can truly compete with our ROLS no till.
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Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Achalemoipas said:
The BioCanna site is so completely devoid of information that it almost looks like a scam site.
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Bottle nutrients are all a scam bro. You're paying for water. Fresh dry ingredients or compost and castings are the way to go.

Fulvic acid, and molasses are the only bottles I bother with. And you don't have to be brand loyal to use those.
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Achalemoipas said:
I'm not really worried about getting scammed, my local hydro shop carries it. I was just illustrating the complete absence of info.

The guy at the shop seems to really like it, kept telling me it's awesome and that's all he uses when I asked about it, but I've been a salesman too so I don't believe a single word of it. It's the most expensive line they have... Of course he likes it. And even he was recommending using compost tea with it.
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Rule # 4 of growing: the hydro store guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

How many plants are you growing? If the answer is less than 25 and youre dropping $200 on nutrient bottles than I would reconsider my purchase. At least I would personally.

I can get all the guano, compost, and kelp I need to run a 7000 watt room for under a 100 bucks. Maybe a little bit more if I want some fulvic for the run.

Just my opinion tho...spend your money as you please.
 
Southerner

Southerner

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Rasta Roy said:
Rule # 4 of growing: the hydro store guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
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So true, we all learn this lesson eventually -- its just how much money they can get out of you before you do.

To OP, check out Dyna-Gro if you really want to save money. If youre just getting started and dont want to have to worry about pH -- I've also used AN's pH perfect 3part with a lot of success in DWC and coco coir. Yes its overpriced vs Dyna-Gro but not having to deal with a pH pen will save you a lot of stress and work. Also, I wouldn't ever use ANY lines "full lineup", you will get by fine with just the basics of BioCanna if thats what you want to use.
 
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Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Southerner said:
So true, we all learn this lesson eventually -- its just how much money they can get out of you before you do.

To OP, check out Dyna-Gro if you really want to save money. If youre just getting started and dont want to have to worry about pH -- I've also used AN's pH perfect 3part with a lot of success in DWC and coco coir. Yes its overpriced vs Dyna-Gro but not having to deal with a pH pen will save you a lot of stress and work. Also, I wouldn't ever use ANY lines "full lineup", you will get by fine with just the basics of BioCanna if thats what you want to use.
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www.greenwizardnutrients.com make a great mineral based nute system. If you're using ro water you won't have to check pH. It's what I used before I switched over to growing organically.
 
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Achalemoipas

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This is super old but I stumbled on it looking at my history and thought I'd update in case anyone is looking for info on Biocanna.

I decided to just take the chance two years ago. I now only use the BioCanna line. It works fantastic. I never ph.

You need Cannazym for it work as best as it can (full dose all the way). You need some kind of root inoculant in your soil. The soil you use has to be Ph balanced pretty low. Very airy peat based mixes with micorrhizae work fantastic. Coco doesn't work so good (always problems in flowering). I don't care about organics at all, I just wanted the easiest possible system.

This is the easiest growing system there is. It's so stupidly easy. I throw stuff in the water, I water. Every two weeks, I water to get a bit of runoff, about 10%, just in case. So I have virtually nothing to clean up, ever. I don't even use a full bottle of vega or flores per grow (1000W in a 5x5, two big sativas or four small indicas). I systematically get 0.7 to 0.85 gpw. It won't burn even the most sensitive sativas. I've grown landraces with no problem. Failed on 15 out of 15 seeds trying with various other systems through the years.

I've tried DWC, RDWC, aeroponics, coco, dirt, no-till and supersoil. I've tried GHO, Advanced and other Canna lines. Nothing else is this easy.

Oh, and a really effective trick: you need to water the soil at least two weeks before using it and keep it moist, adding rhizo, cannazym and a bit of vega. You'll get a really stable soil with a really strong bacterial population.
 
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sshbud

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hey ! its really rare to see a biocanna expert. so if you don't mind, i have some questions

How often do you feed ? every watering ? And how often do you use cannazym ? once per week ?

And how strong do you feed ? full dose from the start ? depends on the strain ?

thank you
 
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cbdandthc

Member
Achalemoipas said:
Hello there, organic growers.

I've been looking for information on BioCanna for a long time and NEVER find anything. I haven't found a single grow in countless searches with the BioCanna system exclusively (i.e.: Bioterra soil, BioCanna nutes exclusively, no third party additives).

Every grow I've seen using BioCanna involves using a whole bunch of external products, compost teas, dolomite lime, ferts from other companies, a long list of additives, etc. Basically, in all of the grows I've seen that used BioCanna, you could pretty much remove the BioCanna and get the same result. It was almost used as an additive instead of a main fertilizer.

I even tried to look at "regular" horticulture sites. Nobody seems to have used it for anything. Not for tomatoes, peppers, flowers, nothing.

The only two pieces of consistent information about this line are as follows: BioTerra is full of fungus gnats, and the BioCanna line makes the best tasting weed ever.

The BioCanna site is so completely devoid of information that it almost looks like a scam site. They even make some ridiculous claim about it not risking to carry Avian flu (seriously, WTF? Why not AIDS while you're at it?). I also don't like how Canna seems to want to distance itself from BioCanna. You can't find BioCanna on Canna's Web site. You have to go to a separate one. Why would they do that?

The only conclusion I can come to is that it's simply not a complete system and that it simply can't work on its own, and that it's not even worth trying. I'd love for such a system to exist, but if I have to start making earthworn castings tea and all kinds of shit in my condo, it's just not worth my trouble.

Is my conclusion correct? I'd love to give it a try, but with NOTHING to even suggest it works, I'm not spending 200$ on the full line.
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If you think it is some sort of scam, don't take that risk... I've seen a lot of people loosing their money this way. Instead go to Amazon, it's still the best option you can take
 
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