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Star Dog

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Just me or are a lot of these posts more of a SOG (Sea of Green) than a SCROG (Screen Of Green)? I guess just growing the plants into a net you threw over is SCROG now???
That’s what I done, I didn't intend to screen at all but by the end of the 3rd week of flowering it was getting out of control, I put a net over to level the canopy and gain a bit of control.

However I hear what your are saying I'd normally veg 4 plants under/through a screen then flip it but there's no hard fast rules.
 

Growoolit

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Just me or are a lot of these posts more of a SOG (Sea of Green) than a SCROG (Screen Of Green)? I guess just growing the plants into a net you threw over is SCROG now???
SOG is 9-16 plants per square foot.. The way God and the Super Sativa Seed Club intended.
Any less density is ScrOG (if there's a trellis).
 

xboxwarrior

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@calvin.m16 My system is a double trellis SCROG. The first screen is pvc frame with screws to stretch and attach 6” square fabric trellis netting, they are trained outwards as they grow through that one first. The branches are spread and tied if necessary.
And, yes, the second plastic trellis was draped over on the ends. But it’s securely attached with rubber ties to the hanging rope. It acts as a support system for the buds that normally would flop on their sides from their own weight without support towards end of flower.

The plants pictured were trained outwards, superscropped, and topped multiple times. Otherwise, were it just a screen with no training, there would be empty spaces in the trellis.

Sea of Green technique , to me, is very high plant density with a short vegetative period in general. Sometimes 12/12 from seed/rooted cutting. No topping or branching either, generally a single cola.

There is no screen involved with sog, so I would think at the basic level just utilizing a screen WOULD qualify as scrog, as it’s the defining feature.
Just thought I’d post what I’ve got wasn’t aware this doesnt meet the “Scrog” standards
 
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xboxwarrior

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@xboxwarrior i also hold off until after the stretch at least, I expect more foliage creates a bigger root system to maintain said foliage, it might also help limit stretch?
@Star Dog That would be interesting to test and see if lollipopping has any effect on stretch. I think certainly the root mass will continue to grow as it expands it’s foliage so you definitely have something there.

Also, if you wait to strip them until after the stretch, you can get a better feel for which branches don’t measure up and must go, and determine final spacing for flower.
 

guitarguy10

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This is my first attempt with a fixed screen and I think it looks like a damned mess, but what do you guys think? They are 9 days into flower, will be getting a huge defoliation at like 3 week mark there are too many leaves :D
 

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Star Dog

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Does anyone monitor temperature above and below the canopy, it only applies if you have a screen?

Anyone with a screen must get the same problem I'm getting, the air gets drawn in through the bottom inlets under the screen then gets pulled through the canopy and out of the top.
The problem I'm finding is that down below the screen its cool due to the cold air getting pulled in there, how do you balance the temperature out between the top and bottom of the canopy?

I can't re route the ducting to above as that would defeat the purpose of air getting pulled through the canopy?
Atm I'm running a dehumidifier 24hrs for the heat it produces more than the humidity, the fan is on most of the time so the humidity isn't a problem but without it its getting down to 17/18c below the canopy.

I was thinking of a fan moving warm air from above to below the canopy but I'd like to hear how others in cold climates get around this?
 

PatientGuddanStownd

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Does anyone monitor temperature above and below the canopy, it only applies if you have a screen?

Anyone with a screen must get the same problem I'm getting, the air gets drawn in through the bottom inlets under the screen then gets pulled through the canopy and out of the top.
The problem I'm finding is that down below the screen its cool due to the cold air getting pulled in there, how do you balance the temperature out between the top and bottom of the canopy?

I can't re route the ducting to above as that would defeat the purpose of air getting pulled through the canopy?
Atm I'm running a dehumidifier 24hrs for the heat it produces more than the humidity, the fan is on most of the time so the humidity isn't a problem but without it its getting down to 17/18c below the canopy.

I was thinking of a fan moving warm air from above to below the canopy but I'd like to hear how others in cold climates get around this?

I actually monitor temp and RH at 3 points--floor, canopy and above my light. Started doing that as a way to make sure my cheap thermometers were honest. As my scrog filled in, I definitely recognized a difference in air temp above and below canopy.

The floor is cooler and more humid than the top. Like a lot of folks, I run 3 fans to blend the air faster. 1 fan blowing across the top of the light, 1 fan canopy height pointed toward the tent corner to push air around the plants but not aimed on the plants, and 1 fan on the floor pointed toward the ceiling, blowing the cooler air up to the top. I've found pushing cold air up gets better results for me than pushing hot air down.
 

Star Dog

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My screen is the full width of the tent any mixing done at the top with oscillating fans doesn't reach down under the to the pots, that coupled with cool air coming in isn't ideal, the screen effectively makes a shelf and what happens above has little effect on below it?
I've fan under the canopy facing one that ocilates above the canopy but it can't get the volume required and there's not sufficient flow down the sides.
I'm blowing out air at 26c and running a dehumidifier to warm below to 22c.
Ffs its even more ridiculous when I read it back.
I've got spare fans and ducting I'll give them a try?
 

PatientGuddanStownd

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My screen is the full width of the tent any mixing done at the top with oscillating fans doesn't reach down under the to the pots, that coupled with cool air coming in isn't ideal, the screen effectively makes a shelf and what happens above has little effect on below it?
I've fan under the canopy facing one that ocilates above the canopy but it can't get the volume required and there's not sufficient flow down the sides.
I'm blowing out air at 26c and running a dehumidifier to warm below to 22c.
Ffs its even more ridiculous when I read it back.
I've got spare fans and ducting I'll give them a try?
I'd run the extra ducting on your exhaust fan so you can pump the exhaust/top air back in to your tent at the bottom from the outside. hope that makes sense
 

Star Dog

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I'd run the extra ducting on your exhaust fan so you can pump the exhaust/top air back in to your tent at the bottom from the outside. hope that makes sense
Yes it does make sense but I can't get near the exhaust fan, lol I can't get a foot in the tent no kidding.
I've got a fan and ducting out waiting to be tried in the morning, I can't get to my variac atm and the fan makes a bit noise at full power.

I'll update tomorrow?
 

DrKiz

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I have these three going in a 9x5. Plan on pruning and bending and defoil on Saturday then flip Monday. Think it’s full enough, lol?
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Going to need another net. I’ll thin it out majorly and tuck it all down.
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Two weeks since flip on these four. These are my second and third scrog attempts. I think it’s more hybrid/trellis scrog. Probably need a net in here too:

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DrKiz

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Gotta defoil out the fans tomorrow and prune it all out for flip. It’s a giant mess. 9x5. Not sure how to prune this out. I’m just going for tops. Anyone done this area? How many tops should I try for?

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I’m thinking of basically cutting the top like a hedge and thinning it out majorly. Give it a few days to recover and then flip. Any pointers? Lotta work into these three gals.
 

Tht_Blk_Guy27

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I have these three going in a 9x5. Plan on pruning and bending and defoil on Saturday then flip Monday. Think it’s full enough, lol?
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Going to need another net. I’ll thin it out majorly and tuck it all down.
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Two weeks since flip on these four. These are my second and third scrog attempts. I think it’s more hybrid/trellis scrog. Probably need a net in here too:

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you've officially blown my mind. Took my dyslexic ass 3 hours to screw mine in and your telling me I could've threaded it through and it looks so much cleaner and less cluttered
 
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