ezcloner problems light related???

Cory and trevor

Cory and trevor

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Its my turn to have a WTF problem with my EZ-Kloner. temps in the res are now all the way down to 68-70 she's been washed and then bleached and then sent thru the top rack of the dishwasher with no soap and cleaned again. brown mushy clones fall over in less than 5 days. stems are not as mushy now as they were before the big chill. anyone find that having no light on them makes them mushy? its all I got left is to put some light back on them like RIGHT down on them. I have tried all the other cures you find on here and all the other sites...
 
cephalopod

cephalopod

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Light could be an issue and I'd recommend 80-85. I just finished mine last week and had nubs in 4 days and roots in 5 under these conditions. Used clonex initially on the cuts and then just flipped the res with RO water daily until things started shakin. Good luck brother, I for one won't be looking back on prior techniques.
 
mrbungle79

mrbungle79

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I actually keep my cloner(home built) in my veg room. 20/4 lighting under 600watt mh. Only cleaned it once in the last 12months and I would say easily 99% survival rate. matter of fact only ones that didn't root were a cpl afgoos. No idea what my Rez temps are either.
 
abe supercro

abe supercro

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have heard theories that supple clones don't fully appreciate, lol, those darn blk foam disks... the rigid brand new ones are like pac man pinching. maybe thats bs, but old disks have lrgr hole or tear the + center some. try peroxide if sterilization/oxygen is concern. measure h2o temp from inside heh
 
Cory and trevor

Cory and trevor

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tomcatjones said:
how fresh were cuts?
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from the minute I cut them to the gooey end was only about 4-5 days.


professor: I started having the issue and looked for answers-the number one response to "mushy clones aerocloner" was temp. I began to have the issue when I put the unit on a shelf away from my 600 watt light. Ambient temp in there up b y the shelf did reach 85 at times but no thermometer at that point so I can't say how up the temps were. Assuming I have the same problems as most I started moving the thing onto the floor again (cool basement) and got an aquarium thermometer. temps were 68-70 and this seemed to be what most including the manufacturer, recommends. now I am pretty sure its not temp. I cleaned the holy fuck out of it with all the suggested ways to clean it I could find (dirty equipment was the #2 answer for the same search). There really isn't a #3 top answer so I posted this. Light is the only other variable I can think of that may be a factor. could be the move across the room away from any real direct light is the problem I guess. I know people routinely run res temps up to 80 without issue. I've seen some sloppy nasty housekeeping in grow rooms who don't have problems. I'm taking MORE cuts tonight and moving the machine back under the light where I had the most success (almost 100%). I am also going to try root riot pellets side by side as well under a dome....maybe I'll have a cloner for sale in a week or two LOL.
I think I will also start doing more frequent res changes as ceph stated above as well. I can't have this shit people are going to be UP-fucking-set in about 13 weeks if I don't get this figured out ASAP. Thanks for the responses
 
Cory and trevor

Cory and trevor

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abe supercro said:
have heard theories that supple clones don't fully appreciate, lol, those darn blk foam disks... the rigid brand new ones are like pac man pinching. maybe thats bs, but old disks have lrgr hole or tear the + center some. try peroxide if sterilization/oxygen is concern. measure h2o temp from inside heh
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I roughed up the pucks pretty good and set them in there, I don't force them in; mine have a slit ala pac-man with the + and I have opened them more than original came in the box. with 2 extras I could try some cutting of the puck experiments too. I'm trying everything til something sticks! I do NOT want to go back to rockwool in water with the airstone. I did not like that at all. 75% at best and usually lower but the fucking EZ Cloner is batting 1000 at killing my shit so..... yeah. damn it!
 
ProfessorPotSnob

ProfessorPotSnob

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Right on cory , sounds like they were infected one way or another . I find that anything over 8o with a cloner can become a problem as once pithum is established it will remain for some time in the exposed cuts at hand . Had to make micro clones once as this happened to me and I refused to loose them so I kept cutting the mushy stems back while sterilizing as much as possible with water changes and temp control and in the end I lost none from that round and any further cuts .. If your ambient got 85 the pump had the water inside the machine running at least 88-90 and this would create a problem overnight practically if it was being kept at already high temps .. Best of luck man as once you get it back under control you ll see how much more efficient the machines are running at water temps of about 77
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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I've got a clone bucket that I use in my veg area. Generally, strain dependent ig seems, I can have roots in as soon as 4 days to about 12 for more picky strains.
I've had the same problem with a few clones getting the brown mushy syndrome. I've found temperature to be a factor. I use t5 for veg and make sure temps are around 75-85 for best results.

Also use clonex on the plant and found making a split in the plant stem makes for quicker cloning. I also add a tad of clonex in the reservoir which seems to hasten the process.
 
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tomcatjones

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Cory and trevor said:
from the minute I cut them to the gooey end was only about 4-5 days.


professor: I started having the issue and looked for answers-the number one response to "mushy clones aerocloner" was temp. I began to have the issue when I put the unit on a shelf away from my 600 watt light. Ambient temp in there up b y the shelf did reach 85 at times but no thermometer at that point so I can't say how up the temps were. Assuming I have the same problems as most I started moving the thing onto the floor again (cool basement) and got an aquarium thermometer. temps were 68-70 and this seemed to be what most including the manufacturer, recommends. now I am pretty sure its not temp. I cleaned the holy fuck out of it with all the suggested ways to clean it I could find (dirty equipment was the #2 answer for the same search). There really isn't a #3 top answer so I posted this. Light is the only other variable I can think of that may be a factor. could be the move across the room away from any real direct light is the problem I guess. I know people routinely run res temps up to 80 without issue. I've seen some sloppy nasty housekeeping in grow rooms who don't have problems. I'm taking MORE cuts tonight and moving the machine back under the light where I had the most success (almost 100%). I am also going to try root riot pellets side by side as well under a dome....maybe I'll have a cloner for sale in a week or two LOL.
I think I will also start doing more frequent res changes as ceph stated above as well. I can't have this shit people are going to be UP-fucking-set in about 13 weeks if I don't get this figured out ASAP. Thanks for the responses
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aight. just checking. usually this occurs for me when i get cuts, put them in water when i get home or while im doing them. smoke and forget about them. 3 days later when i add them, they are the first to mush. so now i reclip end on cuts like that.
 
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Pimpernickel

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I haven't read everything but I'll just toss my experience in, I used to run with plugs and now use my EZ full time. I started with a hydrocloner that was white and got nothing but goo after the first run, trashed it because I thought light getting through was the problem, just a guess. I picked up a black EZ cloner, first run fine, second run f'd, followed the cleaning instructions to a T, used the Clear Rez they suggested, and I've never had a problem since. GL
 
DemonTrich

DemonTrich

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still doing a 99% cloning runs here. 6.5ph'd water x 2.5 gallons. 4ml of regen a root hormone per gallon. t87 6500 lights about 1' away 24/7. water solution changed every 4-5 days. 7days I have roots starting. from 9-14 days I have awesome roots and ready for transplant. this is my 3rd go around and I expect the same results. I also run a small air stone in my res as well.

cut clones, put in solo cup with tap water
cut 45* stem, scrape 1/4" of stem , dip in cloner gel, put in black foam pac-man disc and into cloner machine
change water every 4-5 days
9-14 days remove and transplant
 
Huel Perkins

Huel Perkins

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The only time I have ever had clones die using an aero cloner was when I used it sitting on my basement floor, the temperatures were just way too cold. Now I clone upstairs with my rez holding mid to low 80's with 100% success.

As for lighting, I just use two 26w 6500k cfl's. I keep the lights on 24 hours a day.

If you're worried about bacteria, try using EZ Clone Rez Clear. Or you can make your own with pool shock treatment from walmart...
 
cephalopod

cephalopod

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Are you scraping your stems at all? My first batch I scraped two stripes from mid stem down to the cut. This latest round I tried scraping all the way around and now where roots are coming in it's mainly where I didn't scrape. I'll probably snip the rest off in the next day if they don't kick by then.

I've seen a thread too about the pool shock peaked my interest, but I want to think I found it on the farm. I'll look and try to find if I made some notes on it or have it bookmarked some where.

Edit: Basically, this pool shock comes in powered form.
1 gram of this powdered chlorine should be mixed into 1 gallon of water, to make what is almost an exact replacement for a bottle of Clear-Res.
Then, once you have this bottle of chlorine water, you would use 1 liquid oz per 5 gallons of water. Repeat every 3 days.

So for roughly $4 you can buy this pool shock that will make you roughly 454 gallons of Clear-Res!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219683
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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I've never had an issue with my cloner and I've had it for years. I use plain tap water, and I really think that the chlorine and other shit they put in our water keeps things clean and running smoothly. I always use cold water too. I find that the pump warms the water up pretty quickly, so I counter that by starting off with cold water and adding ice cubes periodically. I have 6 inch rooster tails in about 10 days. I've been adding some aloe juice and pro-tekt to the reservoir lately, and the roots are nice and white and very vigorous.
 
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