FedEx Shooting

mooray

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Government, the source of your laws, is made up of individuals, yet those individuals are often exempt from actions they do which would be wrong if you or I did them. It's not possible for the nature of an action to magically be bad if one class of people do it, but good if another class of people do it.

The best we can do is discover the truth.
Your complaint has to do with wealth and power and would equally exist without gov't.

The truth is that Americans aren't that great. We're worse than people in many other countries, probably the worst people of any first world nation, and many second.
 

Rob Roy

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Your complaint has to do with wealth and power and would equally exist without gov't.
My complaint has to do with rights and respecting them.

Wealth can be measured many ways. Power over others thru involuntary means is another complaint I have.

Although they can be linked, wealth and power are not always linked in that they are derived from the same source in every instance.
 

mooray

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I'm saying your complaint doesn't go away if you get what you want, that's how I know your complaint isn't accurate.
 

Rob Roy

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I'm saying your complaint doesn't go away if you get what you want, that's how I know your complaint isn't accurate.
There will always be people who are willing to initiate aggression. There will probably always be people who disagree on what "initiation of aggression" even means. There will always be people unwilling to apply a consistent standard since that is dangerous to their habit of rationalization.
Oh well.

To malign and abandon a system based in removal of consent, which is what all involuntary governments have as a fundamental underpinning is the way to get what I want and what is fair, that's how I know my complaint is accurate. Not to mention the math works, which is a bonus.
 

mooray

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There will always be people who are willing to initiate aggression. There will probably always be people who disagree on what "initiation of aggression" even means. There will always be people unwilling to apply a consistent standard since that is dangerous to their habit of rationalization.
Oh well.

To malign and abandon a system based in removal of consent, which is what all involuntary governments have as a fundamental underpinning is the way to get what I want and what is fair, that's how I know my complaint is accurate. Not to mention the math works, which is a bonus.
I think you have an inaccurate view of the quality of us 'muricans; that the majority of people are wonderful and then there's this 0.001% that controls these wonderful people. That is not reality. I also think you may be projecting a little.

As obnoxious as I find your posts sometimes, you're probably a decent guy in a decent area and are one of the people that receives very little to no benefit to our laws, or the gov't as a whole(infrastructure aside, assuming to leave the house sometimes).

I also think you have difficulty understanding a life outside your own, as 99.99% of us do, and how others can have a different experience where your desires would cause harm to someone else.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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There are actually more guns now owned illegally in Australia than before the ban
Citation?

Post a link, I mean how would any body know? It's not like somebody with an illegal firearm would tell the authorities. So how would someone estimate this, the country has no land boarders and every gun would have to be smuggled in by air and no there aren't too many passenger ships these days and cargo vessels usually come from Asia, where there are few guns.

I guess illegal firearms should be reflected in the gun violence statistics

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Also:
PolitiFact | Viral post is wrong about Australia’s gun laws, violent crime statistics

Facebook posts
stated on September 21, 2019 in a Facebook post:
Says after Australia passed a "new law" that forced gun owners to give up over 640,000 firearms, the country saw a dramatic increase in homicides, assaults and robberies.

Viral post is wrong about Australia’s gun laws, violent crime statistics

A photograph that shows a truck unloading a heap of firearms has been shared thousands of times on Facebook.

The image is usually displayed alongside text that claims Australia passed a "new law" that forced gun owners to surrender 640,381 firearms and that, one year later, statistics show a national surge in violent crimes such as homicides, assaults and robberies.

This chain message has been going around the internet since at least 2009.

The statistics didn’t add up then and still don’t today.

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Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence | Christchurch shooting | The Guardian
Strict firearm laws reduce gun deaths: here’s the evidence
New Zealand will reform laws after the Christchurch massacre but how has gun control worked in other countries?

The Australian situation
Following the Port Arthur incident, Australia implemented the National Firearms Agreement (NFA).

Prohibited firearms that were handed in under the Australian government’s buy-back scheme after the Port Arthur massacre

Prohibited firearms that were handed in under the Australian government’s buy-back scheme after the Port Arthur massacre. Photograph: David Gray/Reuters
New, uniform state gun laws banned rapid-fire guns from civilian ownership except under certain, restricted licences, and established a government buyback of semi-automatic and pump-action rifles and shotguns.

Another requirement was that all guns must be individually registered, with all gun sales tracked to record changes in ownership. Previously, registration varied by state and gun type. The laws reduced guns in Australia by about one-fifth, with more than 700,000 guns removed and destroyed.

There have been a number of studies published on the impact of the NFA on firearm-related deaths in Australia. According to a 2011 summary of the research by the Harvard Injury Control Research Centre, a number of studies suggested beneficial effects from the law changes, with a reduction in mass shootings, and a reduction in the rate of firearm-related deaths (both homicides and suicides) overall.

Researchers from the University of Sydney and Macquarie University in 2006, 2016 and 2018 looked at the number of mass killings before and after the NFA, and also whether the law changes affected the number of firearm-related deaths. They found that there was a drop in the rate of firearm deaths – particularly with suicides – but were cautious about attributing this to the NFA with the methods they used.

Their research also showed that while there had been 13 mass shootings (using the definition of five or more people killed) in the 18 years before the law changes, there had been none in the 22 years following (though there was one mass shooting involving seven members of one family at Margaret River in Western Australia in May 2018).

Modelling suggested that if shootings had continued at a similar rate as that prior to the NFA, then approximately 16 incidents would have been expected by February 2018.
 

HGCC

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I never claimed that they weren’t doing that. It’s still not Indiana’s fault. People aren’t legally purchasing and registering firearms then turning around and killing people with them.. that would be idiotic on their behalf. They are illegally obtaining the guns and using them. There isn’t a law in the world that is going to stop criminals from illegally possessing firearms. Just like no amount of prohibition prevented alcohol usage in the 1920’s or currently with marijuana.
They are legally obtaining them. Doesnt do a whole lot of good to have strict laws if you can drive 30 minutes and have a different set of laws. Sort of like living in a dry county. Plot twist, I fault the dry county and Chicago for having dumb laws.
 

Sir Napsalot

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I was the president of an NRA affiliated gun club for 3 years

but that was in 2000 and shit has changed a lot in the last 20 years
 

PizzaMan5000

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Just wanna say I have been offered narcotics, stolen guns, stolen cars, 17yo prostitutes.....

I have bought and sold many guns private party. I just traded my 22 revolver and some ammo for a non-running stationary diesel. No record, no bill of sale.
I made sure he was over 21, that's it.

I said "you pinky swear you aren't a prohibited person?"

you can buy a . 44 black powder revolver as a felon; legally in many states.
 

V256.420

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Both are also amoral assholes, though Ted is way smarter and can actually mount a coherent argument that at least gives the illusion that it is somehow logical, at least for some...
Oh? and the real Bigfoot can't? Way smarter huh? Well us bigfoots aint too happy about that son. As a matter of fact we are downright pissed about that comment and would like an apology immediately!! CHOP CHOP you dim witted Canadian! :rolleyes:

Oh and check this out for smarts..............................if we are so stupid how come you can't find ONE of us?? Eat that human!! :finger:
 
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