HB4271 and Plant Counts
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knucklehead bob
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I didn't read it as it is today . I thought PC's are not allowed to grow .
941mick
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(e) "Medical marihuana provisioning center" or "provisioning
11 center" means a commercial entity located in this state that
12 acquires, possesses, manufactures, delivers, transfers, or
13 transports medical marihuana and sells, supplies, or provides
14 medical marihuana to registered qualifying patients, directly or
15 through the patients' registered primary caregivers. Provisioning
16 center includes any commercial property, whether owned or leased,
17 where medical marihuana is sold to registered qualifying patients
18 and registered primary caregivers. The location used by a primary
19 caregiver to assist a qualifying patient connected to the caregiver
20 through the department's medical marihuana registration process in
21 accordance with the Michigan medical marihuana act is not a
22 provisioning center for purposes of this act."
11 center" means a commercial entity located in this state that
12 acquires, possesses, manufactures, delivers, transfers, or
13 transports medical marihuana and sells, supplies, or provides
14 medical marihuana to registered qualifying patients, directly or
15 through the patients' registered primary caregivers. Provisioning
16 center includes any commercial property, whether owned or leased,
17 where medical marihuana is sold to registered qualifying patients
18 and registered primary caregivers. The location used by a primary
19 caregiver to assist a qualifying patient connected to the caregiver
20 through the department's medical marihuana registration process in
21 accordance with the Michigan medical marihuana act is not a
22 provisioning center for purposes of this act."
Definition states manufacture
Resinxtractor
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One would still have to be a registered caregiver to possess plants.thus having to abide by the mamma rules. There is no protection in 4271 for centers to posess plants. Manufacturing is not possession. Just my interpretation.
NurseNancy420
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This law is intended to take the home growers out of the picture .
Bill Shuetees brother in law ain't gonna pony up al that cash and have any restrictions
Bill Shuetees brother in law ain't gonna pony up al that cash and have any restrictions
941mick
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Well team up with some growers under a common name and do it "commercially". You have to think outside the box sometimes....Any "home grower" that is supposedly only growing for their "patients" should not be afraid of the commercial threat if your good at what you do and treat your patients right. However if your intention is to wholesale your "medicine" , yeah it seems like your your going have to make some changes if your operating inside your home. If people want to preserve their way of life I suggest going to your local city council and make your voice hear, because it seems they are going to have the most say with the perspective implementation of this law.
buckaroo bonzai
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These are the guys orchestrating the 'show'--
Go to one of their meetings......i DONT support them
They're for themselves and not average CGs/pts-
http://www.cannabisstakeholdersgroup.org
http://www.cannabisstakeholdersgroup.org/about.html
http://mmmrmag.blogspot.com/2014/02/gcsi-and-csg-join-forces-to-support.html
I'd like to see a provision in their bills to make it 'mandatory' to acquire at least 60%( ?) of their medicine fom CGs
....like colorado where they have to acquire at least 30%from local CGs.....it all turns into a mess tho once these fukrs get their rights for distribution......
Nepotism--they set everyone in their personal circle up to benefit and sell their meds.....seen it a hundred times
Unless your that 1% that grows better than the other 100CGs-
Should be fun!
And i would guess from what ive seen before they will have 'unlimited' numbers
....like ypsi right now
Theres warehouses in oak park right now too running 50-60 light grows for dispensaries
Full set of cards means 1cg>with 5pts\cgs= alot of plants
Thats what their doing in ypsi
Warehouse hydro grows of crap run by their nephews ...girlfriends and such--jm2c
941mick
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90% of caregivers that I interact with suck though, and are in fact taking major short cuts in their rooms.
941mick
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I also think that by not setting a percent required though, is allowing more choice to how centers can go about acquiring their medicine. Retail and manufacturing need completely different skill sets and in my observation it seems they perform better when separated. I have also heard of centers in Co complaining about having to supply so much of their own because it can cause inventory shortages that are not ideal.
buckaroo bonzai
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99% of the CGs 'medicine' 
lol
i have tried is bunk and i cant even burn it......
Gives you a sore throat ....tastes bad....no turpenes kicking
No smells.....tastes.....yech!
The highs are confusing full of anxiety and bad-
Thats all right tho one thing the 'provisioning centers' WILL do is set the bar high and that is good for competition
98%wont even be viable-
If you grow good you will never have a problem
If you grow it perfect......they will pay you alot of $ to 'burn' it
I have seen a lot of erb from dispensaries and it really hasnt reached the point of cali .....thats the highest bar
Not worth what they are trying to charge....
-its getting better tho....the learning curve is leveling
Its still not worth 300$oz or even 500$ like in a2
Although there is a couple dispensaries that have good erb.....i think they are importing it
-just doesn't seem or look like mich indoor grown....jmo
And the outdoor here...?
-forget it!
...but right now they will buy anything here in the mitten
That will change...give it some more time
The market here is already saturated with bgrade overpriced bunk
Even colorado weed to me is NOT that good.....too much hydro
Sun grown/kissed organic erb is the best imo
....you can replicate that indoors but it takes years....unless someone is holding your hand
Jm2c haters gonna hate.....
lol i have tried is bunk and i cant even burn it......Gives you a sore throat ....tastes bad....no turpenes kicking
No smells.....tastes.....yech!
The highs are confusing full of anxiety and bad-
Thats all right tho one thing the 'provisioning centers' WILL do is set the bar high and that is good for competition
98%wont even be viable-
If you grow good you will never have a problem
If you grow it perfect......they will pay you alot of $ to 'burn' it
I have seen a lot of erb from dispensaries and it really hasnt reached the point of cali .....thats the highest bar
Not worth what they are trying to charge....
-its getting better tho....the learning curve is leveling
Its still not worth 300$oz or even 500$ like in a2
Although there is a couple dispensaries that have good erb.....i think they are importing it
-just doesn't seem or look like mich indoor grown....jmo
And the outdoor here...?
-forget it!
...but right now they will buy anything here in the mitten
That will change...give it some more time
The market here is already saturated with bgrade overpriced bunk
Even colorado weed to me is NOT that good.....too much hydro
Sun grown/kissed organic erb is the best imo
....you can replicate that indoors but it takes years....unless someone is holding your hand
Jm2c haters gonna hate.....
941mick
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Seriously! Because of my my job I have gotten countless(100+) samples from caregivers who think they are growing the best shit ever. I can count on one hand the ones that were top shelf, and only one is in hydro and the others are in soil growing organic or a hybrid of synthetics and organics.99% of the CGs 'medicine'
Gives you a sore throat ....tastes bad....no turpenes kicking
No smells.....tastes.....yech!
The highs are confusing full of anxiety and bad-
Thats all right tho one thing the 'provisioning centers' WILL do is set the bar high and that is good for competition
98%wont even be viable-
If you grow good you will never have a problem
If you grow it perfect......they will pay you alot of $ to 'burn' it
I have seen a lot of erb from dispensaries and it really hasnt reached the point of cali .....thats the highest bar
Not worth what they are trying to charge....
-its getting better tho....the learning curve is leveling
Its still not worth 300$oz or even 500$ like in a2
Although there is a couple dispensaries that have good erb.....i think they are importing it
-just doesn't seem or look like mich indoor grown....jmo
And the outdoor here...?
-forget it!
...but right now they will buy anything here in the mitten
That will change...give it some more time
The market here is already saturated with bgrade overpriced bunk
Even colorado weed to me is NOT that good.....too much hydro
Sun grown/kissed organic erb is the best imo
....you can replicate that indoors but it takes years....unless someone is holding your hand
Jm2c haters gonna hate.....
I cant even count how many guys have come into the store and spent 10k plus on lights, nutrients, and all the odds and ends but skimp completely on the ventilation aspect. There is a PM epidemic in this state because of it.
TheMan13
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Language is the artillery of lawfare "we" never see coming. I never thought our legal community would admit to being a reciprocal MJ state of which High Times used to advertise this year. Months later we look to normalize dispensaries (currently not deducible in law) by calling them provisioning centers. I believe the term cronyism would be more appropriate than nepotism in consideration of the adversarial nature of out "justice system" ...
DemonTrich
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I have a commercial building I grow out of. so does that put me in the category of a caregiver or business entity under the above HB? w/o the DBA/business license of course.
941mick
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Do you only supply for five or less patients from this grow?
buckaroo bonzai
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buckaroo bonzai
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It makes you a patient like the rest of us......
--with a commercial bldg
If you want to file a DBA go ahead....mayb you can get grandfathered in......
Best answer would be to put your commercial bldg on the market advertised as a plug and go commercial operation and one of the new HB4271 provisioning centers might want to scoop it up for a lot of dough
.....for their warehouse production facility
.....you could make a bundle quick and do it all over again-jmo
Besides imo they're going to eventually try and rope in every cG as a home based business anyway---
....if you grow for anyone other than yourself they will have their hand out
DemonTrich
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I grow for 4 others and myself.
TheMan13
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Having read this mess of legalese (HB4271) over the past year let me give an actual answer an attempt.
I believe the posse/transport limits remain and simply refer back to MMMA, or 12 plants & 2.5 ounces per patient limits, with a max for a patient caregiver being 72 plants and 15 ounces (aka "The MI LB"). But we already know that ...
As for HB4271, two new entities are created, the "provisioning center"/dispensary and "safety compliance facility"/lab. There are not limits placed on these entities, but rather extremely detailed documentation providing free exchange specifically between these two entities. Furthermore, violations are subject to civil fines (5k & 1k maxes) via regulatory inspections NOT criminal prosecution via raids.
I assume this language is born out of the obvious point of sale tracking developing in the background as that will be necessary for limiting patients to 2.5 ounce per 10 days across all provisioning centers in the end, not simply per. This would take CO's model a step further as critics cite patients going store to store evading said limits.
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941mick
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Thank you! This was also my assessment
Well, unless you want to distribute to more than those four people you have nothing to worry about.
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