HLG 600 RSPEC, heat?

Sqwee

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I'm looking at getting an HLG 600 rspec to replace the 600W HPS I use in a 4x4 tent. I'm just concerned about heat, I've read some reviews that say its just as hot as a 1000W HPS.

Anyone that uses one able to chime in on how hot this light gets and how much cooling is needed?
 

Tracker

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A 1000w HPS that is not in a vented hood produces 1000w of heat. A 600w LED produces 600w of heat. A 600w HPS that is not in a vented hood produces 600w of heat. The big difference between your 600w HPS and that 600w LED is that it will emit much more light and with a better spread over the canopy than the 600w HPS.

The venting on the hood moves the heat away from the grow environment. You have to make sure you have enough ventilation or ac in your grow room to move the heat out.
 

testtime

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A 1000w HPS that is not in a vented hood produces 1000w of heat. A 600w LED produces 600w of heat. A 600w HPS that is not in a vented hood produces 600w of heat. The big difference between your 600w HPS and that 600w LED is that it will emit much more light and with a better spread over the canopy than the 600w HPS.
Close. It depends on efficiency values.

A thousand watts of HPS is come ahh, let's say 30% efficient. Maybe 40%. So that means it's got 60% wasted which ends up being heat. But you can put that single point of light in an enclosed hood and suck cool air across it. Which means every plant in the area is aiming for this single point of light which screws up all kinds of stuff on the plant side.

The LED is more like 60% efficient leaving 40% from waste heat. And I am absolutely sure that 700 watts of LED correctly positioned beats a thousand watts of HPS. While simultaneously not generating nearly as much heat which means AC levels can go down. But we don't have LED hoods at least not that which I'm aware of. So it requires a different cooling strategy than when using HPS.
 

Skunkbudz

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I'm looking at getting an HLG 600 rspec to replace the 600W HPS I use in a 4x4 tent. I'm just concerned about heat, I've read some reviews that say its just as hot as a 1000W HPS.

Anyone that uses one able to chime in on how hot this light gets and how much cooling is needed?
I do not have the HLG but 600watts is 600 watts . I assume you ran a 6" 400 cfm with the 600watt hps. The same setup will cool your tent the same with the led . The ambient air temp outside the tent is key along with the negative pressure created by pulling out warm air faster then it can be replaced with cooler, dryer air.
 

Tracker

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Close. It depends on efficiency values.

A thousand watts of HPS is come ahh, let's say 30% efficient. Maybe 40%. So that means it's got 60% wasted which ends up being heat. But you can put that single point of light in an enclosed hood and suck cool air across it. Which means every plant in the area is aiming for this single point of light which screws up all kinds of stuff on the plant side.

The LED is more like 60% efficient leaving 40% from waste heat. And I am absolutely sure that 700 watts of LED correctly positioned beats a thousand watts of HPS. While simultaneously not generating nearly as much heat which means AC levels can go down. But we don't have LED hoods at least not that which I'm aware of. So it requires a different cooling strategy than when using HPS.
I see where you're going with that. Keep in mind that the emitted light bounces all around and heats up whatever it hits. If the system is pulling 600watts from the wall, then all 600 watts end up as heat....except for some biochemical process in the plant that might capture some heat.
 

Sqwee

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Same heat as your 600 watt hps. Cooler if the driver can be placed outside of the tent.
Do you know if it comes with a cable long enough to mount the driver outside the tent? I have an SF-2000 I want to do that to but I'll void the warranty. I wouldn't want to void the 3 year warranty on the HLG.

The LED is more like 60% efficient leaving 40% from waste heat. And I am absolutely sure that 700 watts of LED correctly positioned beats a thousand watts of HPS. While simultaneously not generating nearly as much heat which means AC levels can go down. But we don't have LED hoods at least not that which I'm aware of. So it requires a different cooling strategy than when using HPS.
My 4x4 tent is in the garage and I have to run a portable AC 24/7 during the summers here in AZ to grow and my lights on temps are 78-82F. I run the HPS in a cool tube so like you said I'm able to cool the bulb down, this makes me wonder if the LED is going to be harder to cool in my setup if it creates the same amount of heat. I'm currently at the point of trying to pipe the portable AC directly into the tent or just go back to not flowering in the summer.

I do not have the HLG but 600watts is 600 watts . I assume you ran a 6" 400 cfm with the 600watt hps. The same setup will cool your tent the same with the led . The ambient air temp outside the tent is key along with the negative pressure created by pulling out warm air faster then it can be replaced with cooler, dryer air.
Yea I'm running a 6" AC Infinity, its the ambient temps that are killing me. I don't have anywhere else to put this tent but the garage.. It doesn't seem like this light is going to help with my temps any like I had hoped. Summers might just have to be for vegging.
 
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V256.420

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I don't believe the 600 Rspec driver can be removed. But I have a few Chilled Growcraft x6 that can.
 

Sqwee

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I don't believe the 600 Rspec driver can be removed. But I have a few Chilled Growcraft x6 that can.
Thanks, I'm going to look into those. I don't know why companies aren't making that a standard feature. My SF-2000 driver dimmed at 60% is 130F
 

youraveragehorticulturist

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The heat from the led light is Nothing like the heat from a 1000 watt HPS. It's less hot that a 600 watt HPS.

In my 4 x 4 tent I have to dim the HLG 600 because I can't keep it far enough above the plants to run at full strength. I'll admit dimming the LED light makes it run a little cooler, but even at full strength it still doesn't heat up like HPS.

Even dimmed still out produces my old 600 watt HPS by 8-10%, and temps in the tent are 5-6 degrees cooler with the LED.

If you can keep a little air blowing across the big-ass heat sink and driver it's not hard to keep temps in check. Put the duct from your old exhaust close to the driver, and it will suck the heat right out of the tent.
 

Doug Dawson

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I ran the 600 Rspec and just had a clip fan pointed at the heat sync/driver, that kept the heat down a great deal. Also the driver can be removed, you just need to buy or make a longer cable than is provided.
 

Sqwee

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I ran the 600 Rspec and just had a clip fan pointed at the heat sync/driver, that kept the heat down a great deal. Also the driver can be removed, you just need to buy or make a longer cable than is provided.
I ended up buying one and have it running in a 5x5 right now, temps aren't bad at all. Also checked with HLG and they said I won't void my warranty if I rewire it to move the driver outside the tent.

I ordered a lux meter but it won't be here until middle of August so I'm just making do with a phone app for now.
 

Skunkbudz

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I ended up buying one and have it running in a 5x5 right now, temps aren't bad at all. Also checked with HLG and they said I won't void my warranty if I rewire it to move the driver outside the tent.

I ordered a lux meter but it won't be here until middle of August so I'm just making do with a phone app for now.
Were you able to get it in writing?
Very cool if they did allow a reconfiguration and honor warranty.
 

Star Dog

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I see where you're going with that. Keep in mind that the emitted light bounces all around and heats up whatever it hits. If the system is pulling 600watts from the wall, then all 600 watts end up as heat....except for some biochemical process in the plant that might capture some heat.
That would explain why I've seen leaf temp readings greater than the ambient temperature.
IR is in most leds these days, leaf temp info with LEDs is maybe dated .
 

Tracker

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That would explain why I've seen leaf temp readings greater than the ambient temperature.
IR is in most leds these days, leaf temp info with LEDs is maybe dated .
Looking at spectral charts, I think HPS emits much more IR than any LED grow light fixture I've seen. I would not expect leaf surface to be hotter than the surrounding air. I don't see that in my grows.
 

Star Dog

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Looking at spectral charts, I think HPS emits much more IR than any LED grow light fixture I've seen. I would not expect leaf surface to be hotter than the surrounding air. I don't see that in my grows.
when the weather was cold the leaf temp under a tsl was greater than the ambient, I've not had leds that long but ime it's not a given the leafs are 2c cooler.
 

Billy the Mountain

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Leaf temps are 3-5f lower than ambient using LED due to transpiration. LEDs have little IR to hear up leaf surface directly

82f air temp, 78f leaf temp right now in my tent

I don't think its possible to have a leaf temp higher than ambient under an LED, not a live leaf anyways
 
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