I think I should start over.

MrGreenFingers99 said:

Come on now, stop kidding yourself, you know your going to add piranha, terantialla, voodoo juice, beetle piss and snake oil into the res at some point, then I bet you've got big bud, overdrive, bud ignitor, bud candy and other concoctions to add later!

All good though bro it's your plant so do what you want, I just want to see some full jars at the end of this!

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Those are the benificials. Those 3 products is what white shark is combined. You need benificials with organics to process it better and outcompete bad bacteria and fungus. I was not using them before running into problems they were still being shipped. I use it at 1/2 dose to get them in the water and I sprinkled some white shark into they hydroton to seed them better and quicker with benificials. They are only for the first 2 weeks of bloom and grow but every time I sterilized the system when root rot was winning I had to add more because they get killed.

Even my chickens are eager to see how this grow goes. Lol. They want some pot.

It must be a super fine line. I topped up with nutrient water rather than RO water today and noticed this. Next time I'll only top up with nutrient water every 2 gallons of RO water topped up I guess. I attempted to correct by removing 1/2 gallon and replacing it with RO water. I'll do it again if it worsens. The tips are curling up a bit. Caught it very early I think. I included the before and after from overhead cam too. I'm going to be a pot scientist by the time this is done. Dr dope.

Over head are 30 minutes apart. You can see the leaves suddenly look thinner.

Monitoring the situation closely with RO ready to deploy lol.

Are you guys sure the the leaves look like the plant was hungry not a trick of shadows and light?

I know your all are thinking dump AN but it was on GH when it starved. It's not GHs fault, I didn't expect my plant to eat so much all of an sudden. It's not ANs fault I over fed. Its just me learning. I also did not add any additives what so ever. It was pure veg food with nothing added.

My light covers pretty the whole 3x3 top. Its pretty bright and messes with colors.

I seem to have corrected it. Between adding food with top up and last check it did not drink any water. It has resumed drinking and it drank a decent amount and i topped up with RO.

GH was 100000% easier to figure food out because of solid ppm readings. I'm trying to see if there is any way I can still use PPM to judge food. It is jumping between 300 400 now, they seem to be a good bracket consistent with when it was growing fast. It is typical of it jumping around with this food, unlike GH which was a solid reading every time.

I'll use these numbers for a reference for today see how they change with time. I will not add anymore food today. Lights go out at 6 for a 12 hour cycle. I'll dump the res and put the new nutrients in I mixed yesterday and keep an eye on it. It's a serious underdose by AN charts but it doesn't look like an underdose to my eyes and historically it seems AN numbers are way too potent.

I'll update again later. I'm so nervous lol.

Distortionist said:

Are you guys sure the the leaves look like the plant was hungry

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i think they look too yellow/lime green to me. but that could be the strain.

what is your mix ratio using GH?

rkymtnman said:

i think they look too yellow/lime green to me. but that could be the strain.

what is your mix ratio using GH?

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It was mixed as per their chart. I was running co2 and my plant was just nursed back to health and ate and drank more than it ever did so in a couple of days it dropped about 550 ppm.

I've only ever topped up with water. This is the first time I'm having to top up with food. I just have to figure it out, how much food and how often. I was watching closely because it's new ground for me and caught it. I think I corrected it, I'm monitoring its water intake and leaves right now. I don't want to send it back into chaos.

I've learned with GH you mix your food to a ppm where it doesnt change as the water goes down. If ppm is dropping it needs more food, and if its rising you need less. I can't seem to go by that with organic food. The ppm is all over the place and I can't make sense of it. I'm trying but learning leaves is my best bet. I valuable skill to learn anyway. I am also figuring reading the plant by the water it drinks. I can tell now right away something is wrong if I see it not moving.

Well I think it looks better. I really am surprised about the very fine line crossing to overfeeding. I am not sure about this stuff being snake oil.. I mean some of it smells like a zoo septic tank. If it doesn't work people will never buy it again. I got one drop on my pants and I smell like s gorilla with indigestion shat on me.

It's also drinking so I am assuming it is happy. Not nearly as much as yesterday but it was bathing in 1750+ ppm of co2. I got some running around to do and I'll check ppm see if it changed. I'll water with RO and check again.

Again some more pics. I dunno but with all the crap this poor plant has gone through it looks great to me. I can't see anything wrong with new growth other than maybe slightly yellow tips, probably nutrient burn.

Lots of pics.

Yeah! She toughed it out and her leaves are all better. I'm glad that was caught and easily corrected. I laid a little egg there for a second.

Ppm is reading low 300 high 200 bouncing around like its malfunctioning. I added about 1/2 a gallon of water and adjusted the ph, ppm did not change at all. Why would it make life simple? No... you need to earn the good organic pot.

Plant looked good last time I looked. I had to run around and when I got back I was exhausted. I've been running on 3 to 5 hours of sleep for a week. I crashed and the light was out. I am officially in flower now.

I'm not happy with the nutes, looked really concentrated. I can't even check the plant, I'm comparing IR images from the cam. I saw a slight reduction in size. I feel like I need to take a gallon out and replace with RO water. Theres like 16 liters of water and I mixed for 5 but still looks strong. Next pictures I take if the size shrank more I'll do that. I'm pretty nervous.

Here are the pics I took so far. At 11 I'll take a other and decide if I want to dilute it more. The solution is so dark, looks darker than coffee.

God it was too much light making my plant tired. It looks awesome. I do see its starvation for nitrogen finally. I kept thinking it's the light and angles but the leaves are flat and its praying to the light! It has not done that in a long time.

Its gonna be hard to fix the deficiency while I try to figure out the food. I am satisfied that my mix is not too strong now. I'll slowly add the liter I removed as the water goes down and I'll mix another bottle with a more concentrated amount of food so I can slowly increase to deal with its starvation.

Oh man! My leaves are praying to the light again! Holy shit it has been months since I saw that. Am I right to assume the plant was definately getting tired from too much light? 12 hours was easier for it and its reaching for the stars!!

The whole plant looks different. The greens are darker and I can definitely see the yellowing now. I'm not sure if it's because the leaves are flat and consistent angles to the light or the darker green but I see it!!

My ppm said it was low 300 mid to high 250. I feel like it can use more food. My mix is for 5 liters in 16 liters. I was so afraid and cautious. I mixed 1 gallon with a 100% strength mix and I will be topping up with that only. When that runs out I'll do it again to slowly bring the food up. Next food mix I'll try a 1/2 strength and water with full strength. I'll keep increasing till I see signs of overfeeding. And back off a bit and leave it at that.

Lights will go out soon, I've topped a couple if times, maybe 1/2 a gallon of the full strength. Last top up was RO because I feel like I am approaching the strong side. I can't believe just about 1/3 strength is right, why are their charts so high? Like what monsters are they feeding that strength to?

Maybe I am reading my leaves wrong. Can someone tell me if my edges look like they are perky as if it's too much food? I didn't dilute it, I'm just going to top it up in a second with RO water. Maybe this is normal.

I got a gift today! Yum! Look at the blue/purple!! Left is called Sedamen, blue is Rex! Trying it now. I'll be in a coma somewhere.

It's going good. I think I wanna seal up what I can add stick more co2 in there for weeks 4 and 5, or 5 and 6. It was processing 5x the nutrient solution lol. That should give it some size and density. I feel like I am running short on space and I can crank the light up. I don't know if I am patient enough to wait for the light meter.

Great job so far, I am happy that you've followed through and your plant is doing well keep it up!

Nizza said:

Great job so far, I am happy that you've followed through and your plant is doing well keep it up!

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Thank you. I am extremely pleased and thankful for the help here and encouragement.

Ok guys I have questions regarding the plants behaviour.

Normally the plant drinks and grows, and the ph slowly drifts upwards. I guess this is the norm.

I sometimes get periods, and I don't know what triggers it, where it drinks and grows like mad. While this happens, ph drops sharply. I want to know what is happening here and why. It looks like I want it to grow like this all the time.

Another observation is when i add food, it suddenly stunts for a bit. I've been adding water and barely any food, so when it went into it's crazy growth spurt yesterday, i added from my premixed food bottle. The plant immediately stopped drinking. It is like it went into shock. I thought it was over feeding previous times and I try to take some water out and dilute it but I doubted that is what was happening so I left it. The plant wilted a little bit, and continued to do so even after the lights went out, and for the first time mid lights off period, it decided to switch to super growth again. I'm lost to what is happening there. I added food. It didn't like it. I ignored it. It went nuts with lights out.

Ever since I went to flower the plant never looked tired until yesterday when I added food.

Can someone help me understand the super growth period and why adding food temporarily stuns the plant?

I've included IR pics of the plant at about 9:30 when it doesnt look tired from the a couple of days before yesterday, the plant looking tired at about the same time from yesterday, and this morning before lights on when it seems to have resumed this ph dropping super growth, and a normal pic after lights turned on this morning.

A few more pics. I hope don't run out of height!