EverythingsHazy
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Are the seeds clones? All the same pheno? Or do genes still get mixed up like they normally would in a normal punnet square?
If you use CS to force pollen sacs on a female plant, and then self it, are....
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bf80255
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The genes would interact the same as if it were any other 2 plants so if the mother
Is from a AA homozygous inbred line then the plants would be verty similar
(Not clones) but probably pretty close. If the mother is a hybrid or worse yer
A polyhybrid the variation will be crazy
Is from a AA homozygous inbred line then the plants would be verty similar
(Not clones) but probably pretty close. If the mother is a hybrid or worse yer
A polyhybrid the variation will be crazy
ProdigalSun
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In other words, you get individual "children", but they are all daughters.
EverythingsHazy
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OK thats what I was thinking but wasnt sure if there were any caveats since it is "female pollen" and carrying the same genes. AND since its not natural
ProdigalSun
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It will carry traits over, pros and cons though like anything else. For example, if it tastes good, you want that to pass on and it will, but if it tends to go hermie or whatever, that will be passed on as well.
What C/S are you using?
What C/S are you using?
~Dankster~420
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ProdigalSun
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I just ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DR6MQF6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I thought 40ppm was the target #. ?? Is there a benefit to using it i a higher concentration? I was wondering who decided, and how it was determined, that 40ppm was the correct ratio.
I thought 40ppm was the target #. ?? Is there a benefit to using it i a higher concentration? I was wondering who decided, and how it was determined, that 40ppm was the correct ratio.
~Dankster~420
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Some good stuff. 
I have used that brand in the past. However I cut the strength down by adding h20 to it. I start spraying at a lower ppm reading, then increase ppm each week. I also start in the last week of veg. Dont be alarmed if you see the branch/site start to look a little dull, and or may change colors. It's part of the process. 
I have used that brand in the past. However I cut the strength down by adding h20 to it. I start spraying at a lower ppm reading, then increase ppm each week. I also start in the last week of veg. Dont be alarmed if you see the branch/site start to look a little dull, and or may change colors. It's part of the process.
profterpen
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You will have a very close match to the seed bearing plant but there will be small differences. I agree with cutting your mixture in half that sounds high to start. Natural is always better but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Keep us posted and good luck.
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ProdigalSun
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Thanks Danks
~Dankster~420
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NP bro.. Hey, if you will I would like 4 you to check out my never ending grow.. lol just did an update https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/621620-danks-update-come-friends-take-2235.html#post10277533 Thanks..
just did an update https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/621620-danks-update-come-friends-take-2235.html#post10277533 Thanks..
Thanks Danks
EverythingsHazy
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Some good stuff.
Very curious how 40ppm (and then possibly further diluted) works for you. Diluted 50ppm didn't do anything for me the first try .Still have some left. Not much tho
postedNP bro.. Hey, if you will I would like 4 you to check out my never ending grow.. lol
ProdigalSun
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I made some homemade stuff without a PPM Meter, and I got nanners. I'm still waiting for the new stuff I linked to show.
~Dankster~420
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When did you start spraying 
?: I start like said maybe 1 or 2 weeks before initial flip. It takes roughly 3 weeks give or take to really see any signs of (male sex). <- "I know that doesn't sound right" lol I start at or around 20 ppm, then increase gradually. Reaching 50 to 60 or higher ppm reading. I have had some that just wouldn't show pollen no matter how much I used in my past grows. So I had to end up just taking a clone, or I would re veg.. just to keep that strain going.
?: I start like said maybe 1 or 2 weeks before initial flip. It takes roughly 3 weeks give or take to really see any signs of (male sex). <- "I know that doesn't sound right" lol I start at or around 20 ppm, then increase gradually. Reaching 50 to 60 or higher ppm reading. I have had some that just wouldn't show pollen no matter how much I used in my past grows. So I had to end up just taking a clone, or I would re veg.. just to keep that strain going.
Very curious how 40ppm (and then possibly further diluted) works for you. Diluted 50ppm didn't do anything for me the first try .Still have some left. Not much tho
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ProdigalSun
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I find it simpler to take a clone, let it root well, then start to spray. I keep only a bud or two on the plant, stripping everything but the leaves, this keeps me from having clouds of pollen to attempt to control.
~Dankster~420
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I do that on occasions. Speaking of clones, I need to take some today and start this process.
If you had a theoretical plant that had only one chromosome, it would have two different copies of that chromosome, Xa and Xb. if you managed to self fertilize it, you would end up with 1/4 of the offspring having Xa Xa, 1/4 having Xb Xb and 1/2 with Xa Xb, the typical Punnett square distribution.
In this simple example, however, instead of the expected 1:2:1 distribution in the offspring, you may actually end up with only Xa Xb plants, or close to that, as the Xa Xa and Xb Xb offspring might not survive. The Xa Xa and the Xb Xb offspring seeds would have a higher rate of failed germination or early death/failure to thrive than the Xa Xb offspring due to homozygosity.
Normally, with two distinctly different copies of the chromosome, lethal or harmful recessive traits would often be balanced out with a normal gene on the other chromosome. In the self crossed plants that ended up with two copies of identical chromosomes (Xa Xa or Xb Xb), those harmful recessive gene traits would now be homozygous and would often lead to undesirable or even lethal developmental effects. On the flip side, any desirable traits would be homozygous and would occur in 100% of the offspring
In an actual ten chromosome Cannabis plant that is self crossed, there would probably be a measurable drop off in viable seeds and an increase in poorly functioning plants due to the increased risk of homozygous bad genes, but it would not be anywhere near the 50% that would occur in my example plant that used one chromosome. With each subsequent self cross, however, there would be a lower germination rate and an increase in the loss of vigor of the offspring plants, as they would have a greater and greater percentage of homozygosity amongst the ten chromosomes.
inbreeding can be useful but it has its limits
hope that made sense
In this simple example, however, instead of the expected 1:2:1 distribution in the offspring, you may actually end up with only Xa Xb plants, or close to that, as the Xa Xa and Xb Xb offspring might not survive. The Xa Xa and the Xb Xb offspring seeds would have a higher rate of failed germination or early death/failure to thrive than the Xa Xb offspring due to homozygosity.
Normally, with two distinctly different copies of the chromosome, lethal or harmful recessive traits would often be balanced out with a normal gene on the other chromosome. In the self crossed plants that ended up with two copies of identical chromosomes (Xa Xa or Xb Xb), those harmful recessive gene traits would now be homozygous and would often lead to undesirable or even lethal developmental effects. On the flip side, any desirable traits would be homozygous and would occur in 100% of the offspring
In an actual ten chromosome Cannabis plant that is self crossed, there would probably be a measurable drop off in viable seeds and an increase in poorly functioning plants due to the increased risk of homozygous bad genes, but it would not be anywhere near the 50% that would occur in my example plant that used one chromosome. With each subsequent self cross, however, there would be a lower germination rate and an increase in the loss of vigor of the offspring plants, as they would have a greater and greater percentage of homozygosity amongst the ten chromosomes.
inbreeding can be useful but it has its limits
hope that made sense