Incet frass???

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    Greenthumbs256

    Greenthumbs256 Well-Known Member

    Hey guys I got some incet frass and I'm trying to learn different ways of using it! From what I have learned it basically incet poop! I added it as a soil amendment to more diversify my soil life! I have heard that it can be used as a foliar? What step of life is that best used? And what does it actually do for my soil and plant life?

    I'm also looking for a few good foliar spray recipes for transition into flower about to flip the 12/12 on a few girls soon and want to give them a good boost!

    I'm 100% organic rols! Compost teas, homemade worm castings, coconut and aloe, and em1 plus some top dressing pretty much covers 90% of all my feedings I also do a sst just not very often trying to stop doing them!
     
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    Greenthumbs256

    Greenthumbs256 Well-Known Member

    Also can anyone fill me in on what em1 actually does? As far as I can grasp it's basically microbes In a bottle, the same microbes I brew in my teas and have tons of in my soil? RIGHT? Just trying to justify why I need it when my soil life is pretty dam happy I take turns using all types of organic feeds and have a very diverse list of admendemts! Not to mention fresh ewc! And compost!
     
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    Greenthumbs256

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    Dmannn

    Dmannn Well-Known Member

    I have read that it contains insect chemicals that cause the plant to freak out and send more roots out, this; with some raised beds or air felt pots will be to a great advantage. Foliar should have the same affect on veg growth, insect frass also has some NPK content as advertised. It also contains beneficial bacteria as well. Not sure how it repels insects though...It ay attract them. I have no experience with it.
     
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    Greenthumbs256

    Greenthumbs256 Well-Known Member

    I don't think it repeals insects at all! But thanks for the info. I'd love to hear more about this chemical that's in it! From what I've been able to learn and find its just insect shit (poop, feces)
     
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    farmerfischer

    farmerfischer Well-Known Member

    It's good in food...lol .. I'm sorry..had to..
     
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    stoned-monkey

    stoned-monkey Well-Known Member

    my understanding (haven't used it, other then wild insects doing there thing in my garden) is its basically a no composting needed manure. top dressing works great or mix right into soil. insect exoskeletons are a great source of chitin, this is said to help prevent pest and help strengthen cell walls. well that's the simple version anyway. I haven't heard anything bad about insect frass however its not widely available or affordable to most.
     
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    stoned-monkey

    stoned-monkey Well-Known Member

    I have eaten crickets before, more then once, and they are not to bad. probably eaten plenty of insect frass too, although not intentionally.
     
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    lokie

    lokie Well-Known Member

    Much more is likely.

    The FDA allows lots of things that you may not even think of.
    Different amounts for different food stuffs.

    Insect Filth (AOAC 981.21) Average of 30 or more insect fragments per 10 grams

    Rodent filth (AOAC 981.21) Average of 1 or more rodent hairs per 10 grams

    DEFECT SOURCE: Insect fragments - pre/post harvest and processing insect infestation. Rodent hair - post harvest and/or processing contamination with animal hair or excreta
    SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic


    https://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRe...mation/SanitationTransportation/ucm056174.htm
     
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    BionicΩChronic

    BionicΩChronic Well-Known Member

    I'm about to start my own cricket farm with the intention of collecting frass. Ill more than likely put a screen as floor mat and shake out frass. Ill feed them all veggies as well to get a good npk value out if the frass. I can source about 100 crickets for 10 bucks maybe less.
     
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    stoned-monkey

    stoned-monkey Well-Known Member

    like it. will you use the crickets themselves too?
     
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    BionicΩChronic

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    Oh yeah no matter how much u feed a colony ive seen them turn cannibalistic then loose interest after halfway eating a cricket.I've seen them do it after u keep them for a week or so so you can go fishing again. The deadones will probably break down into pieces after being crawled over and chewed on so much. Eventually falling through the screen in tiny bits if I don't pick them out soon after death and hulk smash them into said tiny bits. (Via putting them in a bag and smashing it like some oreos. Gotta let them sit for a week or so n get hard first tho)
     
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    stoned-monkey

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    I thought about farming crickets for frass and chicken feed, but leaning towards mealworms, wife doesnt like the idea of escape. Plus like a worm farms or compost you turn waste into something useful with bugs.
     
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    BionicΩChronic

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    mine will be kept outside on back porch can't have all that chirping while I'm trying to sleep lmaooo
     
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    SchmoeJoe

    SchmoeJoe Well-Known Member

    From what I've seen the chitin in frass is more available to the plant and better at catalyzing the SAR (systemic aquired resistance) response than crustacean (shrimp/crab) shell meal.
     
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    BionicΩChronic

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    More reason to get my ass in gear n build the cage for them lmao. I need to acquire a fish tank... Put 500 of them in there. That'll spit some frass out quick probably 3cups for 4cups a month not including decomposed insect matter
     
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    natureboygrower

    natureboygrower Well-Known Member

    i believe when you use frass,you want to topdress it dry.no watering in.you want as much contact between frass/roots for a few days before it gets completely watered in.
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    i've always been under the impression that frass isn't for fertilization, it's more like a flu shot for your plants. it produces the same responses that insect infestation does, and makes your plant build up its defenses before it ever gets any insect infestation, making it harder for it to occur in the first place.
     
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    BionicΩChronic

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    How does it contact the roots before you water it in if its topdressed?
    Do u mean like for plants whose soil level has receded due to watering?
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    anything you topdress in gets watered into the pot. it won't take it long to be distributed through the whole pot
     

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