Jesus are you real?

Dalek Supreme

Dalek Supreme

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Trout2012 said:
Yep he is real!! The bible is the historical evidence! All other written historical documents are taken at face value. They have found many artifacts validating many of the stories.

You want proof? Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you!!!
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The Holy Dopamine Ghost is strong in this one.
 
Trout2012

Trout2012

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Dalek Supreme said:
The Holy Dopamine Ghost is strong in this one.
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I read your dopamine post before, I decided not to comment. What human experience does not release some amount of dopamine or adrenaline? It is how we were created!! I could very easily assume by your logic that all human experience is just a fallacy!! Just because someone enjoys something doesn't make it not real. Just because we are programmed to experience a higher amount of joy when we find it doesn't make it a delusion! If it does, are you saying you live a miserable existence? I personally dont get high on God!! Sure I get a bit excited when I understand more. I dont attend church and some I have, totally freaked me out. Maybe that's where your coming from? Maybe ask yourself instead, why would a human need dopamine at all? We can experience joy without it. At least adrenaline serves a purpose in fight or flight! Why would evolution have equipped man with the ability to experience greater joy? I'm sure sex and drugs would have still felt ok!
 
PokerJay83

PokerJay83

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Trout2012 said:
I read your dopamine post before, I decided not to comment. What human experience does not release some amount of dopamine or adrenaline? It is how we were created!! I could very easily assume by your logic that all human experience is just a fallacy!! Just because someone enjoys something doesn't make it not real. Just because we are programmed to experience a higher amount of joy when we find it doesn't make it a delusion! If it does, are you saying you live a miserable existence? I personally dont get high on God!! Sure I get a bit excited when I understand more. I dont attend church and some I have, totally freaked me out. Maybe that's where your coming from? Maybe ask yourself instead, why would a human need dopamine at all? We can experience joy without it. At least adrenaline serves a purpose in fight or flight! Why would evolution have equipped man with the ability to experience greater joy? I'm sure sex and drugs would have still felt ok!
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I like your spirit.
 
Dalek Supreme

Dalek Supreme

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Trout2012 said:
I read your dopamine post before, I decided not to comment. What human experience does not release some amount of dopamine or adrenaline? It is how we were created!! I could very easily assume by your logic that all human experience is just a fallacy!! Just because someone enjoys something doesn't make it not real. Just because we are programmed to experience a higher amount of joy when we find it doesn't make it a delusion! If it does, are you saying you live a miserable existence? I personally dont get high on God!! Sure I get a bit excited when I understand more. I dont attend church and some I have, totally freaked me out. Maybe that's where your coming from? Maybe ask yourself instead, why would a human need dopamine at all? We can experience joy without it. At least adrenaline serves a purpose in fight or flight! Why would evolution have equipped man with the ability to experience greater joy? I'm sure sex and drugs would have still felt ok!
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Do you love God?
 
Trout2012

Trout2012

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Dalek Supreme said:
Do you love God?
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That's a broad question!! Do you love your wife? Do you love your parents? Do you love your children? Your wife gives you great pleasure and a feeling you can't get from the others. Is this love? Now put your wife, parents, children in a burning building you can only save one of the three. Which one did you choose, who did you love? Is love a feeling? The love of God surpasses all human understanding!! Yes I love God!!
 
Dalek Supreme

Dalek Supreme

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Trout2012 said:
That's a broad question!! Do you love your wife? Do you love your parents? Do you love your children? Your wife gives you great pleasure and a feeling you can't get from the others. Is this love? Now put your wife, parents, children in a burning building you can only save one of the three. Which one did you choose, who did you love? Is love a feeling? The love of God surpasses all human understanding!! Yes I love God!!
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First off it's a piss poor analogy. The Abrahamic God pretty much started the fire. Leave a forbidden magical fruit tree laying around with a trickster snake as well. It's like leaving a toddler in a crib with matches, lighters, and a jug of gas. Bad parenting skills, but it's a myth anyway. Do you believe the sky is blue because a glass dome is holding up an ocean (see Genesis)?

You love God. Why that's the Holy Dopamine Ghost at work. It will not let you see nonsense for what it is.
 
Trout2012

Trout2012

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Dalek Supreme said:
First off it's a piss poor analogy. The Abrahamic God pretty much started the fire. Leave a forbidden magical fruit tree laying around with a trickster snake as well. It's like leaving a toddler in a crib with matches, lighters, and a jug of gas. Bad parenting skills, but it's a myth anyway. Do you believe the sky is blue because a glass dome is holding up an ocean (see Genesis)?

You love God. Why that's the Holy Dopamine Ghost at work. It will not let you see nonsense for what it is.
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The whole reason I made up the story, was to show you dopamine is only heavily released with your wife. Who would have you saved? You dont get that feeling with your parents do you? Fires starts all the time by random acts of nature,arsonists,ect Just as free will has a ripple effect through the world! God could not give free will to one being, and not the rest. The tree represents knowledge of sin. The serpent "angel" practiced free will. Man fell from grace, by choosing free will, and realizing his sinful nature. Man became accountable. You believe God causes all these problems!! When man choose he was left to his own will! Within a world where everyone practices free will! The ripple is felt by multiple people, it changes the course of humanity. No longer did we trust God, so he stepped aside. We were left with the knowledge and ability, but only choose many wrong choices! I've read Genesis I dont remember it saying it's made of glass. However it is the first non flat earther known in history. Also says it was hung on nothing. Was it a lucky guess,maybe? You would like to blame God for our choices, he only let us run with our choices. But also gave us a way back. You view death as the end so your pissed that all the bad goes on when it could be stopped! God views it as the beginning, and now you have your will to compare it to. Perhaps mankind will understand that Gods will was always better for us than our own one day! I've spent years dissecting this book, many times being pissed about the state of the world. Only to find perspective answers more questions than not! A book I read when I was a kid had a great quote in it about perspective. " What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls the butterfly." We will probably have to agree to disagree, this could go on indefinitely!! One of my biggest questions now!!! Why do we have cannabinoid receptors? I know I've changed the subject, I do love a good debate though!! I question everything, even God, not to seems illogical to me!! The deeper you dig,the deeper it gets.
 
Dalek Supreme

Dalek Supreme

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Trout2012 said:
The whole reason I made up the story, was to show you dopamine is only heavily released with your wife. Who would have you saved? You dont get that feeling with your parents do you? Fires starts all the time by random acts of nature,arsonists,ect Just as free will has a ripple effect through the world! God could not give free will to one being, and not the rest. The tree represents knowledge of sin. The serpent "angel" practiced free will. Man fell from grace, by choosing free will, and realizing his sinful nature. Man became accountable. You believe God causes all these problems!! When man choose he was left to his own will! Within a world where everyone practices free will! The ripple is felt by multiple people, it changes the course of humanity. No longer did we trust God, so he stepped aside. We were left with the knowledge and ability, but only choose many wrong choices! I've read Genesis I dont remember it saying it's made of glass. However it is the first non flat earther known in history. Also says it was hung on nothing. Was it a lucky guess,maybe? You would like to blame God for our choices, he only let us run with our choices. But also gave us a way back. You view death as the end so your pissed that all the bad goes on when it could be stopped! God views it as the beginning, and now you have your will to compare it to. Perhaps mankind will understand that Gods will was always better for us than our own one day! I've spent years dissecting this book, many times being pissed about the state of the world. Only to find perspective answers more questions than not! A book I read when I was a kid had a great quote in it about perspective. " What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls the butterfly." We will probably have to agree to disagree, this could go on indefinitely!! One of my biggest questions now!!! Why do we have cannabinoid receptors? I know I've changed the subject, I do love a good debate though!! I question everything, even God, not to seems illogical to me!! The deeper you dig,the deeper it gets.
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First off I thought you were using an old apologetic (probably a form of it).

Free will is more of an illusion (people have less free will than others), but I doubt you can handle the science behind it.

You are using your imagination to reinterpret retellings of ancient myths. You think there's deeper meaning to why the ground is a chore to cultivate, why women have labour pains, and why snakes have no legs.

I do not believe in any Gods so it would be absurd to blame problems on one, or more.

The Bible represents the Earth as flat, set on pillars, domed by glass that holds up Heaven's ocean, the stars as ornaments set on said dome, and the other celestial objects revolve around the Earth. You spent years studying the Bible, and don't know this? I don't feel like posting verses now, but try searching "Bible Firmament", and 'Joshua stops the Sun" for starters. Also try Young's literal translation when sourcing apologetic verses trying to make the Earth sound as if round (btw the ancient Greeks knew the Earth was round in the 4th century BCE). Also search "Documentary Hypothesis", and watch "Bible Unearthed" on Youtube.

We have Cannabinoid receptors just like many mammals, and reptiles for physiological signaling between organs for regulation (liver, gut for examples). It's a coincidence a plant we smoke interferes with this internal communication system. It's like saying since we have calcium, and plants as well it must be some form of magic that only intelligent design can explain. Fallacious reasoning is what it is.
 
Ozmap

Ozmap

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Like all religious discussions, this one ended with a list of 'backup' verses that nobody reading, can be bothered looking up (or 'interpreting'), and leaving the person with the last word thinking that their superstitions are validated by two months of 'no rebuttal' and even WORSE, the potential for a lazy thinking new recruit to jump onto this silly, expensive, childish belief.

Here's what the quoted verses say, so as not to give any of the lazy thinkers out there (MOST internet users, let alone those packing cones) any reason to keep this rubbish going on for another generation.

Trout2012 said:
Job 26:7
Isaiah 40:22
Proverbs 8:27
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Job 26:7
King James Bible
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Isaiah 40:22
King James Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Proverbs 8:27
King James Bible
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

Well that's all slightly arousing, but AS USUAL, it nothing to do with anything. It gets posted as a 'mic-drop' and nobody questions it. (..or better yet, even gives a shit.) But let's move forward as a species, leftover people. We have Science now. If we burned our superstitions as plentiful as we did 'witches', cattle, daughters, towns and books, we'd be much better off.

Do you remember the most advanced technology you'd ever seen 30 years ago? We've come a long way in a short time. If only the majority of us hadn't wasted 2000 years on paying a company to make us believe nonsense, we could be considering todays technology as extremely primative. As an aside, I'm all for 'lights out', but I value knowledge over the death of robots. (..for now).

I mentioned two months ago (the last post here) that I would have a respectful conversation about why your deity belief is unfounded or something to that effect. That time (and intention) has passed.

I have vowed to myself that no more, will I suffer an idiot to live.

Education at all costs, no matter the silly, superstitious delusion.
 
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Lord Bonkey

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Ozmap said:
Like all religious discussions, this one ended with a list of 'backup' verses that nobody reading, can be bothered looking up (or 'interpreting'), and leaving the person with the last word thinking that their superstitions are validated by two months of 'no rebuttal' and even WORSE, the potential for a lazy thinking new recruit to jump onto this silly, expensive, childish belief.

Here's what the quoted verses say, so as not to give any of the lazy thinkers out there (MOST internet users, let alone those packing cones) any reason to keep this rubbish going on for another generation.


Job 26:7
King James Bible
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Isaiah 40:22
King James Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Proverbs 8:27
King James Bible
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

Well that's all slightly arousing, but AS USUAL, it nothing to do with anything. It gets posted as a 'mic-drop' and nobody questions it. (..or better yet, even gives a shit.) But let's move forward as a species, leftover people. We have Science now. If we burned our superstitions as plentiful as we did 'witches', cattle, daughters, towns and books, we'd be much better off.

Do you remember the most advanced technology you'd ever seen 30 years ago? We've come a long way in a short time. If only the majority of us hadn't wasted 2000 years on paying a company to make us believe nonsense, we could be considering todays technology as extremely primative. As an aside, I'm all for 'lights out', but I value knowledge over the death of robots. (..for now).

I mentioned two months ago (the last post here) that I would have a respectful conversation about why your deity belief is unfounded or something to that effect. That time (and intention) has passed.

I have vowed to myself that no more, will I suffer an idiot to live.

Education at all costs, no matter the silly, superstitious delusion.
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ya... that dang church and its morality...

Ill just leave this here for the elect to read.

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The war of Antichrist with the Church and Christian civilization, lectures : George F. Dillon : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Book digitized by Google from the library of Oxford University and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb.
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your revolution is sure slowing down butter cup.... lucky for you we wont drown you like you guys did to the sweet little nuns of france and germany :)
 
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