Mammoth P? Thoughts, all hype or what?

green_machine_two9er

green_machine_two9er

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I see tons of people using mammoth P. I have mixed feelings in living soil. I wonder if the specific bacteria are there naturally. I always am thinking the the plant controls the micro herd. So any benefit? Is anyone using it and seeing the “16% yield increase” claim? “6% stem strength”. how to do Even measure stem Strength
 
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Northwood

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green_machine_two9er said:
I always am thinking the the plant controls the micro herd. So any benefit?
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The plant does, however the species of bacteria it wants to attract/signal/activate may or may not already exist in your soil depending on where it comes from. If your soil comes in a plastic bag shipped around and stored for who knows how long, then likely you'll need to inoculate your soil with them. If you run worm bins or a (cold) compost heap, add outdoor humus and soil from forest, garden, and grass field in the rhizosphere of plants growing there already. Choose lush productive areas. Another option is to buy stuff in a bottle that contains that bacteria, but your results may not be great since they've been in a plastic bottle without oxygen. So you'll be working with the dormant forms that may or may not lead to viable populations.
 
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green_machine_two9er

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Northwood said:
The plant does, however the species of bacteria it wants to attract/signal/activate may or may not already exist in your soil depending on where it comes from. If your soil comes in a plastic bag shipped around and stored for who knows how long, then likely you'll need to inoculate your soil with them. If you run worm bins or a (cold) compost heap, add outdoor humus and soil from forest, garden, and grass field in the rhizosphere of plants growing there already. Choose lush productive areas. Another option is to buy stuff in a bottle that contains that bacteria, but your results may not be great since they've been in a plastic bottle without oxygen. So you'll be working with the dormant forms that may or may not lead to viable populations.
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I use fresh castings and compost. Try not to open one bottle. Just this yield increase claim got me thinking it might be worth branching out.
 
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ChrispyCritter

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Microbes are your plants friend. Big time. I second the recommendation for Tribus. I use original in veg and the one geared toward phosphorous uptake in flower. Used to use MP but Tribus is cheaper by a few bucks but more importantly a more densely populated micro colony so more for your money also. USDA approved if one cares. I use ReCharge and BioAg products when plants are small and in veg. Photosynthesis Plus is also good. Foliar and root drench.
 
IIReignManII

IIReignManII

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I think phosphorous needs are overstated by cannabis growers. Mycorrhizae doesnt form in high phos environments. So people loading their soil with high P guanos and bone meals are probably just wasting their myco products. I may be wrong but isnt the point of Mammoth P mostly for phos uptake? It seems like a lower phosphorous soil with myco synergy is better than a soil loaded with a ton of phos and mammoth p...for the price tag I think mammoth p is kind of a joke it didnt make any noticeable difference at all. If you're adding soluble phos in a chem system I have no clue why myco or mammoth p would benefit you at all unless someone can tell me what Im missing
 
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ChrispyCritter

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Very true. In a synthetic system you are feeding the plant and you'd add phosphorous if that's your thing. Beneficial microbes are for organic soil and they more or less break down the soil nutrients for them to be available to the plant. Products like Mammoth P are very effective when used properly. The joke is using an expensive product when you have no idea what the fuck you're doing with it. Or why. Geez.
 
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jacobishurr420

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I don't think it's all hype. But I do think the benefits some growers see when using Mammoth P are more due to the 2% alfalfa extract (triacontanol) it contains, rather than the 1% bacteria culture. When I tried it in my organic room I didn't notice a difference on the plants that were given Mammoth P vs the ones that weren't. I attributed this to not using any high P sources to begin with, and I was already using multiple products that contained alfalfa extract.

Most of the guys that swear by Mammoth P are running salts or full synthetic liquids. Like someone else said, not an ideal environment for microbes. Also, many salt/synth growers use products with sky high P/K levels, but not necessarily any products that contain triacontanol. Most of the claims on the Mammoth P bottle (16% yield increase, better stength, etc.) are exactly what happen when you use triacontanol. Check the wikipedia entry for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triacontanol .

Most organic growers are already using at least one source of triacontanol, hence they don't notice much a difference when adding Mammoth P. Bottom line, I'm skeptical the bacteria has much to do with the success Mammoth P has seen thus far. This is all just speculation and based on my observations and interactions with customers while working at a large hydro shop for years. So take it for what it's worth.
 
IIReignManII

IIReignManII

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jacobishurr420 said:
I don't think it's all hype. But I do think the benefits some growers see when using Mammoth P are more due to the 2% alfalfa extract (triacontanol) it contains, rather than the 1% bacteria culture. When I tried it in my organic room I didn't notice a difference on the plants that were given Mammoth P vs the ones that weren't. I attributed this to not using any high P sources to begin with, and I was already using multiple products that contained alfalfa extract.

Most of the guys that swear by Mammoth P are running salts or full synthetic liquids. Like someone else said, not an ideal environment for microbes. Also, many salt/synth growers use products with sky high P/K levels, but not necessarily any products that contain triacontanol. Most of the claims on the Mammoth P bottle (16% yield increase, better stength, etc.) are exactly what happen when you use triacontanol. Check the wikipedia entry for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triacontanol .

Most organic growers are already using at least one source of triacontanol, hence they don't notice much a difference when adding Mammoth P. Bottom line, I'm skeptical the bacteria has much to do with the success Mammoth P has seen thus far. This is all just speculation and based on my observations and interactions with customers while working at a large hydro shop for years. So take it for what it's worth.
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Exactly...I use lots of alfalfa in my mixes and Mammoth P seemed to do absolutely nothing
 
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