Maverick’s Timber 4vs Grow Journal

LCPGrower1980

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Topping, Round 2.

In light of the Lambsbread being so far ahead of everything else, I decided to leave the lower side branches and top them. Should give me 8 tops on all of them and while they will still probably never catch up to the LB, at least everything will have 8 tops at that point and I’ll be able to Top everything one final time to get my 16 Tops per plant.

Hopefully they bounce back just as fast this time around.79389513-C12F-4FAC-8DCC-05A9E1FA7F34.jpeg9489DB9B-2247-4093-AB64-B45E588CD784.jpeg
 

LCPGrower1980

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Day 7 of Social Distancing due to COVID-19 pandemic. The plants in the tent are recovering nicely from their second round of Topping. I decided not to trim off the lower branches because I had to throw all the clones I had taken previously into Flower so I can figure out what is male and female. My plan was to then cut off a few of the lower branches to make Clones to put outside this coming outdoor grow.

As a result though I’ve got a seriously dense canopy and the main nodes aren’t growing as quickly as they normally would. Thinking I might cut off all the lower branches and then wait till the main tops get tall enough to take them as clones though.E39F4EFB-4F1A-4C9D-B8BE-0052E94CA408.jpeg
 

LCPGrower1980

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What’s up everyone? Hope you are all staying safe and enjoying the extra time with your families and plants.

So, decided to lollipop the plants and do some more LST’ing on them as they were putting too much energy into growing side branches that I wasn’t going to keep.

Also, my auto watering system seems to have a leak, so I was getting water in the bottom of the tent. This was becoming a royal pain to have to keep taking everything out and soaking it up, so, I decided to instead try just putting the pots back onto the floor. I figured that the heater would keep the temps up enough and I know people who do living soil (and even more so Hydro) have a constant water supply to their plants. The Smart Pots should provide enough oxygen though to the rest of the roots so they shouldn’t drown or rot.

Seems like it’s working quite well as I went back in today and they are looking great!

Firsy two pics are of yesterday after training and lollipopping and second two are from today. I know I probably sound like a broken record, but still so impressed by this Timber light! It’s only running at about 50% but the plants are loving it!

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LCPGrower1980

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Hope everyone is staying safe out there and enjoying the extra time home with your plants. And if you are an essential worker (nurse, LEO, Firefighter, grocery store worker, etc...) thank you for your continued service.

As for my grow all but two of the plants have so far shown their sex. Unfortunately I was right and one of the Dinamed CBD Plus plants was a male. Also, sadly, both of the two Pine Tar Kush plants that I kept wound up being males, so I’ll have to wait till next grow to try again and see how that strain is.

On a positive note though, it looks like both Mazars have a good chance of being females (one is a 100% definite, the second hasn’t shown yet but I’m also not showing any signs of male yet either). It also looks like I might get lucky and have both Jamaican Shipwrecks wind up being females as well.

Decided to take the chance and just transplant everything into my 3 gallon Rain Science Grow Bags and set up the auto watering system. Fingers crossed everything winds up working out, but if not I put the two question mark plants in the front of the tent where they will be easy to pull out.8139101D-90BE-45EF-B825-F5E8EA469C2F.jpeg6A141993-2378-4234-B5B5-0E5CA7F39CED.jpeg
 

LCPGrower1980

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I know it’s only been a couple days but, what can I say, I’ve got time on my hands. ‍♂

Did some more LST and rearranging. Realized I had mixed up the two Jamaican Shipwrecks and the one that is 100% female is now in the middle of the tent (and actually fits better in that space) and the one that I’m unsure of is now on the front/outside corner. The preflowers are looking like it might be male but the clone has been incredibly slow to show its sex, and root. This way, if it is a male it’ll be easy to pull.

Hope everyone is staying safe out there.C7678A9B-7FBA-476D-B13B-3D44C564AD32.jpeg87883E33-464A-4220-8D39-B5936444962C.jpeg
 

LCPGrower1980

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The canopy was getting ridiculously thick and not only do I want to avoid mold/PM, but some of the lower tops weren’t getting enough light. So I decided to do a heavy lollipopping/leaf strip.

Only have so long to dedicate each day though with the kiddo being home from school (and very high attention since the local park shut down and he hasn’t been able to get his energy out as much as he should) though, so I’ll have to do it in parts. Got 3 done today, should get 3 more tomorrow, and will do the final 3 on Saturday.

Gotta say that the plants I stripped looked SO happy and healthy when I opened the tent door today though! They should bounce back fast.A492482F-5705-4DB8-9E07-B537A0272BB3.jpegFF025AA6-B340-4E54-9FF6-FFD56F9599EB.jpegE8403AFD-43D6-43EE-B649-F3A4FA48E673.jpegA8B716BB-9A87-46AA-B086-FAEF433D53C9.jpeg
 

Southside112

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Is that a 3x3 or a 4x4 ? If it's a 4x4 your a little under powered. Looking really good. I personally would not run that many plants at one time. Too much crowding. For me 4 plants in a 3x3 is perfect. Another observation that might help. Noticed some of the buds are leaning on the tent walls. I put some wire from post to post to keep them propped up more and off the tent walls. Looks good. Keep it up.
 

LCPGrower1980

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Is that a 3x3 or a 4x4 ? If it's a 4x4 your a little under powered. Looking really good. I personally would not run that many plants at one time. Too much crowding. For me 4 plants in a 3x3 is perfect. Another observation that might help. Noticed some of the buds are leaning on the tent walls. I put some wire from post to post to keep them propped up more and off the tent walls. Looks good. Keep it up.
Thanks Southside. It’s a 3x3. With the Orca my PAR meter reads just slightly over 1000 in the center at 24” and a little over 800’s in the corners.

Last grow some of the center Lambsbread Colas got within 12”-14” from the light and were getting around 1640 PAR. Probably a little too much, though they weren’t really showing signs of heat or light stress (though were pulling water and nutrients through them like crazy and ate through all their super soil way too quickly). This time through I’m running the light at about 50% right now at 24” and reading between 300-500 across the canopy right now. Probably gonna run the light at full blast and keep it 24” away from them. I have the Lambsbread in the back corner, so hopefully it won’t be getting crazy amounts of light. But growing a bunch of different strains (most of which I haven’t grown before) it can be tricky managing canopy height.

Also thinking I might try to pick up some Bonsai wire online and see if I can use it to bend the LB branches down lower to try to compensate for the big stretch.

Thanks for the tip about trying to keep the branches off the walls. I have a SCROG that I will put in once the plants get tall enough and that will hold them off the walls. I’ve calculated out that I can fit 12 colas in all 4 directions in the net and still have an empty row around the perimeter. So I’ve manifolded the plants so they each have 16 tops.

Definitely need to do a couple defoliations/Schwazzing sessions during flower this time around though as with so many plants you are right that airflow and light penetration can get iffy as the canopy is dense!

I’ve done a bunch of different set ups regarding numbers of plants (4 in 5 gallons, 3 in 7 gallons, and this past time 9 in 3 gallons). The rain science bags seem to be a little taller and narrower than the Smart Pots I used on my last grow, which seems to work better as it’s a little easier to move them around and the soil can get air from all sides.

I found that, for me anyhow, the 4 plant set up just took too long to Veg out to get a good yield out of them. It was easier to manage circulation though. I suppose if I run into substantial problems this time around though that I may try fewer plants next time. Trial and error.

Will look into some wire mesh to keep the branches off the walls in Veg in the future though. Thanks for the suggestions and sharing your experience.
 
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LCPGrower1980

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Finished lollipopping everything. Definitely much improved light penetration and air circulation. Sadly, I’m thinking more and more that the second Jamaican Shipwreck is a male. The preflowers are definitely looking different than the one that I confirmed as female (by sexing a clone). Unfortunately the clone of that damn plant just refuses to show its sex. I’m just gonna keep growing it and keep my fingers crossed, but I’m pretty sure it’s male, so I’ve got it in the front of the tent where it’ll be easy to pull once I flip them it need be.

Hope everyone is staying safe out there.60D2F671-294B-4E9C-AEED-5D547D664C6C.jpegF03604E2-7CD9-4574-BBF2-822EF583E0DA.jpeg7790CFBE-0336-4C87-AC52-2140DA8B07EF.jpegD9A1400E-2110-4547-8508-672827161EDB.jpeg
 

Southside112

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Thanks Southside. It’s a 3x3. With the Orca my PAR meter reads just slightly over 1000 in the center at 24” and a little over 800’s in the corners.

Last grow some of the center Lambsbread Colas got within 12”-14” from the light and were getting around 1640 PAR. Probably a little too much, though they weren’t really showing signs of heat or light stress (though were pulling water and nutrients through them like crazy and ate through all their super soil way too quickly). This time through I’m running the light at about 50% right now at 24” and reading between 300-500 across the canopy right now. Probably gonna run the light at full blast and keep it 24” away from them. I have the Lambsbread in the back corner, so hopefully it won’t be getting crazy amounts of light. But growing a bunch of different strains (most of which I haven’t grown before) it can be tricky managing canopy height.

Also thinking I might try to pick up some Bonsai wire online and see if I can use it to bend the LB branches down lower to try to compensate for the big stretch.

Thanks for the tip about trying to keep the branches off the walls. I have a SCROG that I will put in once the plants get tall enough and that will hold them off the walls. I’ve calculated out that I can fit 12 colas in all 4 directions in the net and still have an empty row around the perimeter. So I’ve manifolded the plants so they each have 16 tops.

Definitely need to do a couple defoliations/Schwazzing sessions during flower this time around though as with so many plants you are right that airflow and light penetration can get iffy as the canopy is dense!

I’ve done a bunch of different set ups regarding numbers of plants (4 in 5 gallons, 3 in 7 gallons, and this past time 9 in 3 gallons). The rain science bags seem to be a little taller and narrower than the Smart Pots I used on my last grow, which seems to work better as it’s a little easier to move them around and the soil can get air from all sides.

I found that, for me anyhow, the 4 plant set up just took too long to Veg out to get a good yield out of them. It was easier to manage circulation though. I suppose if I run into substantial problems this time around though that I may try fewer plants next time. Trial and error.

Will look into some wire mesh to keep the branches off the walls in Veg in the future though. Thanks for the suggestions and sharing your experience.
That light is a good match for a 3x3. Great job keep it up. Great answer as well. Thanks.
 

LCPGrower1980

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I know, it’s only been a day again, but what can I say? Spending time with my plants is one of the things that I peace and joy with. ‍:D

Already bouncing back strong. Reaching for the Timber.18D21C19-C90E-4152-A72B-CF31D9B3237E.jpeg5386F863-3CAF-445F-AB70-B97598F39E29.jpeg63C1318C-534F-481D-B021-A889C4128CBA.jpeg
 

LCPGrower1980

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Hope everyone out there is staying safe and healthy.

So, I’m loving the way the plants are growing in the Rain Science Bags so much that I decided to grab some for this year’s outdoor grow. Grabbed 6 of their 25 gallon white Low Rider series bags on 4/20.

Turns out they were running a few promotions and one of them is what they call their “Stash N Dash” contest where they hide free stuff and then people can go try to grab them first. They were running it in Florida and New England. Well, it also happens to turn out that one of the places in New England that they hid some stuff was the next town over from where I live!

Got the email in my inbox with the picture clues to where it was hidden and was like, “I know that place!” Jumped in my car and drove there and guess what?!

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I got a free 2x4 raised bed!!! Sweet!!!

My best friend is in the process of Re-Vegging the Skunk #1 that I had in my tent in the last grow (I had figured, “what the hell?” and gave it to him to see if he wanted to try it and he was totally game). It’s growing well in his tent, but he already planned on putting it outside and has agreed to put it in this RS Raised Bed! It’s gonna be a monster!
 

LCPGrower1980

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As far as the tent goes, there’s been a slight change of plans. I realized that 16 tops per plant was gonna be way too difficult (if even possible) regarding battling PM and bud rot as the tops were pretty much on top of each other as it was and light and air flow was already not getting to the lower tops.

So, I decided to decrease the number of tops to 9. This still allows me to accomplish my original plan of having each plant take up a square area of the canopy and to avoid any larf. But this new set up should allow me at least the chance to get light and air circulation to all sides of all Colas in flower.

Still have one more of the Mazar’s to do, but everything else is looking good so far (just did a few today so by tomorrow they should have turned up to the light and be filling in the space well).
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LCPGrower1980

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Hey everyone following, hope you are all well.

Got everything down to 9 tops and they are quickly (maybe even too quickly lol) filling back in. At this rate I’m gonna have to make the decision whether to do another leaf strip or flip them to flower this weekend. The canopy is just seriously thick and not allowing air circulation or light penetration through.

They are definitely big enough that I could flip them, it’s just a matter of being able to get back to the plants in the back to Top Dress and water them as flower goes on. At this point they are a little too small for me to get back under them, but I‘m hoping that by this weekend or at the latest next weekend they will be big enough to flip. I also know that they will double in size once I flip them, and I plan to do a Schwazzing at 21 days of flower, so I could always just strip off a little of the bottoms to allow me to get back underneath them as well. Decisions decisions. Lol.5EAC30C7-4D51-4FC3-8E4B-6C1C0868B052.jpeg075D3C2C-CA70-4BB5-86BD-9C649DDAA7D8.jpeg985E3784-BD98-45B7-A583-90D331EC37C9.jpegF4A12A98-1F3A-47DA-938D-599C65151FAE.jpeg
 

LCPGrower1980

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The girls are filling in like crazy! Been second guessing whether I want to wait till the plants grow up to the SCROG (which I increased the height of this time around) or whether I want to flip them now and let them stretch which will allow me to move them around in the tent as they grow so I can try to even out their growth rate.

I’m noticing that the two plants in the middle and front middle are growing the fastest again this time. So I’m thinking that those must be getting the most light. Therefore, I think it’s logical to believe that if I move some of the smaller plants into those spaces it might allow them to catch up to the bigger plants.

By not putting them into the Net it should also allow me to give them a nice heavy top dressing (which should hoped carry them through till harvest) and take them out to Schwazz them at day 21. At that time I’ll decide what to lace where and fish them through the SCROG and Lollipop anything below the net as well.

Think I’m gonna flip them either this weekend or early next week. Psyched!
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LCPGrower1980

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Well, no time like the present I guess. Decided to raise my Timber up to 36” and turn it on full blast. Turns out I’m just about out of vertical space, so I stripped the girls and flipped them. Tomorrow, Sunday May 3rd, will be Day 1 of Flower. Can’t wait to see how they turn out this go round!CC0D5634-D7B0-4894-B50F-7697F9490DF7.jpeg49B9D5D7-403B-4081-B151-DCA6844671B5.jpeg
 
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