MI new era cannabis regulations

Discussion in 'Michigan Patients' started by abe supercro, Sep 15, 2016.


    ReDirect Member

    That is one way to look at it. Wines, beers, watches or cars, their reputations are not based on the opinions of "the most average" consumer.
    Dispensaries will not make price point and purchase decisions based on feedback from the most average of buyers but the discerning 5% that they seek feedback from.

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member


    leighgal Well-Known Member

    Well, I may get kicked in the shins here but... I tend to agree with a lot of what you've said in this thread.
    Let me clarify, I am not a grower of any great success so my ego is not bruised by your statements. I've been
    'in the game' for over 4 decades though and I can certainly see that the players and the market are changing.
    Old school farmers who have lived under prohibition and who protected our sacred plant are a dying breed.
    There are younger gen's that are learning and keeping the old ways of course yet I believe those numbers
    are diminishing... esp. when the possibility of big money is presented, unfortunately.
    There will be those who keep the old ways no matter the laws, they will produce 'artisan' herb and those
    are the cats I call family.

    I think it might be difficult for some of us old timers to see beyond what we have known our entire lives.
    Cannabis is becoming a legit industry and in the years to come, us old timers will not recognize it all.
    There are many, many things that we have thought could never happen... yet it has. To think that big
    $ won't be mass producing mids for the shops is just burying our heads. Cannabis will become common
    place. Maybe not for some of us oldsters... but for the gen's to come, this I truly believe.
    There will still be 'artisan' growers and an underground/ black market, this too I believe.

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    leighgal Well-Known Member

    On one hand... yes, on the other.. no they are not.

    I speak with people of all walks of life at every opportunity (which I create) about cannabis.
    People, you may be taken back by how little the gp understands about cannabis. Older folks
    and younger alike. What I found most disturbing is they have no clue about how it's grown, what
    cannabinoids, trichomes, sativa, indica etc... etc... even are. What I find most disconcerting is
    that they don't care. Esp. the 40 and under age group, those I've spoken with think it's the cats
    meow to walk into a shop and buy prepackaged herb, sigh. The younger gen's are what
    is going to drive the new market and from my conversations... they are clueless to the things
    those of us who have been around know and cherish. It's sad.
    I spend an incredible amount of my time and energy purposely seeking and speaking to people
    outside of the cannabis 'community' in order to gather this information and to educate those
    who are open. I'm not just pulling this out of thin air :)

    The rest of us... we will keep doing what we've always done, growing and sharing.

    kingzt Well-Known Member

    I disagree with some of what you said. Most people that I have come across who know the difference between indica, sativa, different terp profiles etc., are the ones who are younger. Most the the older folks who are starting to get comfortable with the way things are going, tend to be the ones who don't care much. This is what I have been through so it's very subjective but nonetheless I believe everyone can tell the difference between quality and just mids and lows.

    Unfortunately the industry is still new and the consumers are used to certain product. That product typically is lower grade cannabis, due to the availability when it was still illegal. With that being said I am still amazed at what people call high grade medicine or "that fire" for lack of a better term. As time goes on the consumer will learn on what is actually quality but these dispensaries sure aren't helping. Some might even opt for the lower grade product because of the prices at these dispensaries.

    When it comes to these fancy packages I can't help but laugh. I feel it's the professional business men and politicians who want it this way. Just like modern advertising, it props up the product but adding a nice package with some vibrant colors to it. Coming from the industry I think we can all say people will fall for this based on going to any hydro store and seeing certain fertilizers in fancy bottles with bright colors. There's just something about a product in a nice looking package that makes people drool. I hear buds in tuna cans are the next big thing.

    HelpHub Well-Known Member

    I saw buds in tuna cans 30 years ago, came from Alaska...
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    Resinxtractor Well-Known Member

    Still waiting on this price drop. Just went to Rare dankness shop in Co and everything thing is $320 an ounce. And actually quite a few people grow there own tomatoes. Plus people are smart they vote with there dollars. Look at McDonald's they are hanging on by a thread. Nobody wants cancer and to be fat. Vote with your dollars! If you buy weed from mega corporations your part of the problem. Buy local get it straight from the farm just like I do with nearly all my food.
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    since1991 Well-Known Member

    Iam sorry. I was wrong. Zips are gonna stay 2 to 400 bucks for decades. Your fine. Invest in as much as this as you want. Its going to stay in the quasi legal realm forever. ..just legal enough to not really.get hassled. But still make a killing. The perfect situation for regular folks...damn near forever.

    kingzt Well-Known Member

    I just read an article about Scott from Rare Dankness. He got $10 million to build out his facility and he thinks that the industry will go to more commercialized product and away from boutique grown cannabis. I think zips are that much right now because of the novelty of the store. It's the only breeder I believe that is doing what he is by only growing his strains and opening up shop as Rare Dankness. Rare Dankness's business strategy is pretty savvy if he can grow "mersh" and still sell it for top dollar. Check out this article about a smaller company that produces a better quality product and is a lot smaller than most facilities in Rado. Their revenue is on par with some of their competitors that are much larger. However this article was from sometime ago and reading some reviews on weedmaps about this dispensary, it looks like their quality has dropped.

    since1991 Well-Known Member

    Lemme get this straight so iam not confused here. The difference between so called "botique" indoor grown and "commercial" indoor grown is the size of the facility or the cultivar being grown ??? Or both or neither? The price? Looks? Taste? High? The name? Sooooo confused here.
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    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    manoman, once the room is the way its supposed to be, and the genetics are chosen correctly, like say, ANY of RD selections, why would someone decide to choose shitty genetics to work with? stupid. just as easy and cheap to grow shit the right way as it is to grow dank the right way.

    kingzt Well-Known Member

    Well In my opinion all those factors you stated minus the size of the facility will determine whether the product is considered "boutique" or not. The size of the facility, may, however be indicative to the quality depending on much care the plants are given. I've seen great strains ruined because quantity comes first. Pumping plants with high ppms to the point of foxtailing, machine trimmed, improper drying and curing techniques. All these ways can lead to an inferior product compared to someone who puts the time into care.
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    greg nr Well-Known Member

    Corporate agriculture has a predictable trajectory. It's fueled by marketing and distribution; not quality to the masses.

    So yeah, as the mba's come into the greenhouse the grow times will shorten, the chemicals will go in, and pressure will be on volume.

    Pick any crop that gets mass produced and you will see it. Farmers markets still exist, but at a trivial level.

    Follow the money. You have no choice really. :(
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    captainmorgan Well-Known Member

    Corporate types with big money know shit about canna so how will they make good decisions about it, all they care about is profit. All they want to do eliminate competition so they can gouge their customers. How about Budweiser and Miller buying up all the craft beer companies they can,they love a good monopoly if they can get away with it. Do you think they will hire a bunch of old hippies to teach them the virtues of canna, they don't give a shit about anything but cash.

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member

    I have not seen any really good even small family dispensary weed with any consistency here in West Michigan.

    It is the reason I learned to grow.

    Once money is the only object. Like when things don't work out like they planned and they are not getting rich and they have had problems. They cut early and take every shortcut trying to make their profit back just like any cash cropper.

    Timmahh Well-Known Member

    That is clearly pointed out in the new bill Snyder signed into law.

    A CG nor a PT can only get "Legal" Cuttings from a state licensed "Seed to Sale" facility.
    It clearly states a CG can get supplies from anyone but a Facility and a Pt can only get things from their Caregiver of a state licensed seed to jail, err seed to sale facility.
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    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    my registered growing patient will be able to procure a cutting from me, if they have grow rights and are legally permitted to possess a cutting, without falling under this seed to sale corporate structure?
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    Capt. Stickyfingers Well-Known Member

    Try drying and curing 50 lbs of bud and then see how the quality compares to smaller, more personal grow ops. Growing the plant is only half of the process. Commercial grows will never be able to compete with the small guy in terms of quality. After the plant is chopped, it doesn't matter how pretty or healthy it was, dry it wrong and it's garbage. I don't see what's so confusing.

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    I think some will do it right and others will fail. No reason to believe they'll all suck. most will desire to shine in their arena. Growing knowledge isnt magic anymore, we have access to infinite information. Everyone could know how to dry if they read a book, shared common sense for instance. Big tobacco has seemingly convinced billions to use their corporate tobacco rather than grow their own, which is legal.
    some corps make good products while others not so much.
    I hope they do it right for patients' sake

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