MTF

There was this old guy in the valley that had been keeping alive and growing MTF by clone since 1983, he died in 2008 and a friend got all his grow things including the MTF. 31 years old by cloning so far. I got a clone of it 4 months ago. It's on week 5 of flower now. Yes I've read everything on the net concerning the strain and the controversy around it. I've lived here since 1973 and been smoking pot since 1966. I'll post up my observations. So far It's a tall stretchy plant 5+ feet and has the largest buds of the strains I have growing.I'll post up more observations after harvest.

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share?

I wanna see this also.

I would love to see it as well!

what no pics? im outta here....

I wish I could go take a pik and post it but my comp is screwed, it works in half safe mode and won't allow me to upload piks from my camera. I can take piks with a friends camera and then have him email me the piks to post. Give me a few days, I'll do it. By Monday at the latest. I know most people would think BS about a MTF clone that old and so would I be suspicious. I have no reason to doubt my friend, he is a MMP who only grows for himself. His friend who kept it going all those years was a Vietnam vet living in the valley for 50 some years. I bought very much MTF through the years starting in the early 80s, most of it was what the hell ever pot just using the name to make a sale. I also know that anybody growing buds back in the 70s and early 80s was pulling tarp on outdoor greenhouses in order to get it to flower. I also have a strong suspicion that the strain could easily have been developed in the Fairbanks Goldstream Valley first or near the same time and/or with people from the Matanuska valley. The Matanuska valley was a low population backwater nowhere during the 70s while Fairbanks had a sizable population and 20,000+ new guys that showed up from the lower 48, living, working or looking for work on the pipeline, lots of weed from wherever they came from. There were only a handful of strains available back in the mid 70s. It was no contest in the early 70s as to where the best stuff was coming from in limited quantities. Hawaiian sensi. Growers from there were bringing their crops to Alaska to maximize profits. Alaska has always had a strong connection to Hawaii with guys living in both places 1/2 the year. So in the 70s you want to grow in Alaska, what seeds you going to start with, Mexican, Colombian, Jamaican, maybe some Thai? No brainer, you are going to get your friends to bring some Hawaiian seeds over. Not that that tells you where the Hawaiians were getting their seeds from. I do remember the first and biggest MTF greenhouse grow bust from the mid 80s and it happend in the Goldstream Valley, Fairbanks.1000+ plants. Anybody have any info on the myths and mystery surrounding MTF, please share. The truth will never be known so that's all there is, stories and no provable chain of evidence.
Also I'm just a MMP who grows for himself and doesn't give a ratsass if it is the real deal old school MTF. If it turns out good enough to keep with my other strains then I will, if not bye, bye. There are also a handful of people in the valley here that were gifted clones by my friend and his friend who kept it going all these years. Friends have friends so it's probably in a lot grows here and friends have friends is why I believe there is old school MTF growing, hidden away in houses in this Matanuska Valley continuously for 30 some years since people here first started cloning.

we could all speculate, but with no pictures of MTF currently, and no pictures from you. What are we comparing?

When I lived in Talkeetna maybe 10 years ago we had a strain that was called Fairbanks at the time my wife and I were young, in our early twenties but had the dubious honor of mostly just associating with old schoolers up there. The story on "Fairbanks" as I heard it was that it was a Northern Lights strain that was grown primarily indoors buy some people in the Valley.
One of my strains now is called "Caswell" and I think it is reputed to come from MTF.

Got the doc's version was going to pop soon. Want to see if she lives up to the sample I tried that came from of all places, Indiana. (supposedly came from his mom in valley who liked 2 wheels) That's what was on the addy back in 2007 when an associate sent me a sample of mtf and I did a review in a post. Had a few friends smell it and then we smoked 2 joints. Helped describe the effects and smells, the 30 minutes later review and then the final thoughts on the sample. (sativa, extreme long red hairs, slender long buds just covered in trichs. Not much plate leaf, more cover fan leaf, like mexican sativa)
It was good and the effects is where it really had us going. (long lasting heady goodness) If Doc's turns out like the sample I tried back in 2007 it could be a good example of MTF. But you never know.

you gonna jpournal the docs mtf?

Pepe le skunk said:

Got the doc's version was going to pop soon. Want to see if she lives up to the sample I tried that came from of all places, Indiana. (supposedly came from his mom in valley who liked 2 wheels) That's what was on the addy back in 2007 when an associate sent me a sample of mtf and I did a review in a post. Had a few friends smell it and then we smoked 2 joints. Helped describe the effects and smells, the 30 minutes later review and then the final thoughts on the sample. (sativa, extreme long red hairs, slender long buds just covered in trichs. Not much plate leaf, more cover fan leaf, like mexican sativa)
It was good and the effects is where it really had us going. (long lasting heady goodness) If Doc's turns out like the sample I tried back in 2007 it could be a good example of MTF. But you never know.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH.....MTF has been all but extinct since the early 80's, if anyone is selling seeds that they claim are MTF they're lying to you. I have DEEP roots here in Alaska, and can assure you that YOU DO NOT POSSES TRUE MTF!

I've nothing to add to this really but discussions about AK strains are fascinating, especially the elusive MTF. But really I don't know shit about strain history here, so anyone got a primer or a link on the history of it/other AK strains? I've looked and don't find much online.

greenghost420 said:

you gonna jpournal the docs mtf?

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Possibly. Don't do journals often but would consider one. Posted a few things tried in the past.

Frozen, The strain I tried a while back was from an old thread on MTF on a different site. Some times the ones closest to a strain end up not saving beans or cuts because it is so close and when it suddenly disappears the crew loses the strain.(usually from a bust)
But the one who chairished it, away from the main crew, retained it, and it lived on, just not in the circle that was closest.
One thing about Dr green thumb is his unique strains of clone only's speak volumes and have a high chance of being original then anywhere else I've seen. At least the best examples of what is considered the tastes, smells and structure of specific clone only's. IMHO.

Pepe le skunk said:

Possibly. Don't do journals often but would consider one. Posted a few things tried in the past.

Frozen, The strain I tried a while back was from an old thread on MTF on a different site. Some times the ones closest to a strain end up not saving beans or cuts because it is so close and when it suddenly disappears the crew loses the strain.(usually from a bust)
But the one who chairished it, away from the main crew, retained it, and it lived on, just not in the circle that was closest.
One thing about Dr green thumb is his unique strains of clone only's speak volumes and have a high chance of being original then anywhere else I've seen. At least the best examples of what is considered the tastes, smells and structure of specific clone only's. IMHO.

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What you think was MTF, wasn't... You can call it that but trust me, ITS NOT MTF.

One person grew it, no clones or seeds were ever given or "found".... The person I speak of has lived in Talkeetna area for nearly 60 years and grew that strain for almost 30 years, After 30 years he claimed that it lost it "vigor" the mothers were seeded out with a NL x Afghan Kush male that the same grower had been breeding/phenotyping for nearly 6 years.... The end result provided a heavy indica sided hybrid that very much resembled the northern lights mother that the crossed male hailed from... (still following?) We'll call that "cross"
MTF x AK-NL (F1) or just Z(1).....
Z(x) was interbred until (15) generations had been achieved, then a resulting Female was back-crossed to the original AK-NL father three times because the original MTF mother had already been flowered and forgotten about, the resulting off spring from it being:
MTF x AK-NL (F15B3M) which very much learned towards paternal genetics (father)... At this point genetics had near completely changed and the grower tried FIVE times to back cross with the original mother and could NEVER achieve a genetically stable plant that showed the originally selected phenotypes from the original mother, his genetic uniformity had been lost by this point... Though his crosses were supposedly the best shit in Alaska at the time, nothing compared in quality to the original MTF....
So IMHO the closest thing to MTF ANYONE can get their hands on is a sad trickle down genetic with only a VERY small bit if any of the Original....
Believe me or not, I could care less, but I do know the supposed original grower.... He's been spending his last few years flying bush planes in and out of the Aluetian islands....Say's he never wants to grow anything else as long as he lives!

The MTF I sampled was sativa. The clone only was thought to be sativa with South African or durban poison in it from what I have found and read and was pointed out in the old thread on reeferman's site 10 years ago. The strain and the samples I tested and gave a smoke report from with pictures of the live clone and the dried samples were pure sativa. No indica at all. The samples really didn't have much plate leaf as the structure was just covered with crysatals and long red hairs(longer then usual) and the dried leafs were sative, almost like small fan leaves as a protective covering.
Dr green thumbs is a sativa version of mtf and that is why I'm interested.
The guy had moved to Indiana from alaska and rode bikes and so did his mom. He grew up in the Matanuska valley and his mom still lived there. She was supposedly in with the hells angels in the 70's and so was her son, years later.(He was a truck driver that moved to Indiana for work) She had the clone from her boyfriend from the late 70's and this is what her son showed on the site. It was very closely held and only reason they had it was because she had a phototron with it in it for years.

The indica was thought to come from the strain from kodiak island (kodiak gold) strain going around Alaska and the one reeferman was selling at the time. The others were the Dutch version that also had indica known as Matanuska Tundra. None of these is considered the real MTF as they were hybrids.

So ask around Frozen, see if that descripition about MTF being pure sativa, trippy sativa at that, with a ton of really long red hairs and inner bud structure being lots of small crystals everywhere, see if that is what the old guys in Alaska say about the real MTF.
Let us know.

Decided to check and see if I still had the photo's from the samples he had sent and guess what?
Ladies and Gents, This is what ATF should look like:
Samples from November 2005 The samples looked to have more red hairs in person. That was the first thing I noticed about the strain, enough that it struck me as notable in my observation.

very interesting. i love how these stories unfold.