My Colloidal Silver

Big Perm

Big Perm

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I used 14 gauge 99.99% silver. I'm using a current of 6VDC @ 200mA, and distilled water. My TDS meter showed a ppm of 1.
I also am using a laser.
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I got a few of these rods. I can cut these in half and use them in a smaller container. I'm only making small batches at a time for foliage spraying now and then. This 300ml batch should last me quite a while.
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I put a bag over it to try to keep dust and stuff out.
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Now it's time to pack that Sherlock, forget what I was doing and when I remember....it'll be done!

It's already working!
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All done. I stopped at 41ppm.
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I've been wanting to do this for a while, but never got around to it. Pretty soon I'll be able to use it.
 
ANC

ANC

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I suppose, but you could save yourself the effort then and order an once of Tiresias spray off Amazon for like $20.
 
Big Perm

Big Perm

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Or I could also do what I did and make this for $12. I'd have to guess at the # of gallons I could make, but I already know it's more than an ounce.
Please go spread your negativity somewhere else.
 
Big Perm

Big Perm

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Miyagismokes said:
How does it compare to silver thiosulfate for the job?
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I've never used silver thiosulfate. CS was the thing when I was doing it. I had 100% effectiveness every time, so it's going to be pretty hard for someone to get me to try something else. It's so easy, cheap, and works.
I'm not saying my way is the best way or dissing other ways. This is my way.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Miyagismokes said:
How does it compare to silver thiosulfate for the job?
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I've used both colloidal silver and the sodium thiosulfate/silver nitrate solution. Both work. I use strictly the sodium thiosulfate/silver nitrate solution now because it only requires spraying a few times where the colloidal silver requires daily spraying for a couple weeks.
 
vostok

vostok

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Big Perm said:
I used 14 gauge 99.99% silver. I'm using a current of 6VDC @ 200mA, and distilled water. My TDS meter showed a ppm of 1.
I also am using a laser.
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I got a few of these rods. I can cut these in half and use them in a smaller container. I'm only making small batches at a time for foliage spraying now and then. This 300ml batch should last me quite a while.
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I put a bag over it to try to keep dust and stuff out.
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Now it's time to pack that Sherlock, forget what I was doing and when I remember....it'll be done!

It's already working!
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All done. I stopped at 41ppm.
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I've been wanting to do this for a while, but never got around to it. Pretty soon I'll be able to use it.
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Ok...Lets get this right:

You are measuring the TDS..(Total Density Solids) of your Water(H20) and the electro conducting silver nitrite particles in your water...

What Doesn't Sound Right Here...? oh by the way theres a vid:

Inside of a TDS meter is an electrical circuit which measures the resistance between its two electrodes when immersed in a liquid. This circuit applies an AC voltage to the electrodes, and then measures the AC current which flows between the two electrodes. This reading is then corrected for temperature (if its a high quality instrument), and electrode geometry. The result is a measure of Total Ionic Content. The name Total Dissolved Solids is actually a misnomer, as a lot of dissolved solids will not read at all on a TDS meter since they do not ionize when they dissolve. Sugar is such a substance. If you were to dissolve a tablespoon of table sugar in a cup of distilled water and read it with a TDS meter, the resulting reading would be zero.

The reason AC is used instead of DC voltage on the electrodes is to keep the metals in the solution from plating onto the electrodes. With AC, anything that plates onto the negative electrode will in theory come off when the polarity reverses. AC also keeps the ions from migrating from one electrode to the other, thereby keeping the solution homogeneous.

Another thing which must be understood is the actual meaning of parts per million (ppm). PPM means the weight of one substance contained in a given weight of another different substance. For example, if a million pounds of bread flour contained 1 pound of dirt, it would be 1 ppm dirt in the flour. We are not interested in flour though, we are interested in silver ions in water. For silver, one PPM means 1 gram of silver in 1 million grams of water, which is equivalent to 1 milligram of silver in 1 kilogram of water. Since water weighs 1 gram per milliliter, this is equivalent to 1 milligram of silver per liter of water.

The problem with measuring silver ions goes back to the what the TDS meter actually measures – electrical current (conductivity). In a solution, electrical current (charge) is carried by ions moving through the solution, and current is actually ions moving per time. It doesn’t matter whether it is a silver ion, or a sodium ion etc. However, not all ions are equal, each kind of ion has a different weight. For example, a single sodium ion weighs 23, while a silver ion weighs 108, or 4.7 times as much as a sodium ion. Yet, the TDS meter cannot distinguish between the two.

Another source of error is that ionic silver is not just silver, it is silver oxide, or silver chloride or some other silver salt. Therefore, the ppm of the colloidal silver will have a different value for the same amount of silver depending on the silver salt present. It is not possible to just have silver ions, there will always be a matching anion present, like hydroxide, chloride, nitrate, etc.

Most TDS meters are calibrated to read a mix of ions normally found in ground and drinking water. This is done by adjusting the circuitry to get a specific reading while the TDS meter electrodes are immersed in a standardized solution of salt. The salt solution is just used as a repeatable reference, and the TDS meter is not calibrated to read the actual ppm of the salt solution.

The result of these considerations is that the only TDS reading that is accurate for silver is ZERO, and any other reading will be incorrect. A TDS meter is not very useful for measuring silver, but is useful for measuring the purity of the water used to make colloidal silver.
 
Big Perm

Big Perm

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vostok said:
Ok...Lets get this right:

You are measuring the TDS..(Total Density Solids) of your Water(H20) and the electro conducting silver nitrite particles in your water...

What Doesn't Sound Right Here...? oh by the way theres a vid:

Inside of a TDS meter is an electrical circuit which measures the resistance between its two electrodes when immersed in a liquid. This circuit applies an AC voltage to the electrodes, and then measures the AC current which flows between the two electrodes. This reading is then corrected for temperature (if its a high quality instrument), and electrode geometry. The result is a measure of Total Ionic Content. The name Total Dissolved Solids is actually a misnomer, as a lot of dissolved solids will not read at all on a TDS meter since they do not ionize when they dissolve. Sugar is such a substance. If you were to dissolve a tablespoon of table sugar in a cup of distilled water and read it with a TDS meter, the resulting reading would be zero.

The reason AC is used instead of DC voltage on the electrodes is to keep the metals in the solution from plating onto the electrodes. With AC, anything that plates onto the negative electrode will in theory come off when the polarity reverses. AC also keeps the ions from migrating from one electrode to the other, thereby keeping the solution homogeneous.

Another thing which must be understood is the actual meaning of parts per million (ppm). PPM means the weight of one substance contained in a given weight of another different substance. For example, if a million pounds of bread flour contained 1 pound of dirt, it would be 1 ppm dirt in the flour. We are not interested in flour though, we are interested in silver ions in water. For silver, one PPM means 1 gram of silver in 1 million grams of water, which is equivalent to 1 milligram of silver in 1 kilogram of water. Since water weighs 1 gram per milliliter, this is equivalent to 1 milligram of silver per liter of water.

The problem with measuring silver ions goes back to the what the TDS meter actually measures – electrical current (conductivity). In a solution, electrical current (charge) is carried by ions moving through the solution, and current is actually ions moving per time. It doesn’t matter whether it is a silver ion, or a sodium ion etc. However, not all ions are equal, each kind of ion has a different weight. For example, a single sodium ion weighs 23, while a silver ion weighs 108, or 4.7 times as much as a sodium ion. Yet, the TDS meter cannot distinguish between the two.

Another source of error is that ionic silver is not just silver, it is silver oxide, or silver chloride or some other silver salt. Therefore, the ppm of the colloidal silver will have a different value for the same amount of silver depending on the silver salt present. It is not possible to just have silver ions, there will always be a matching anion present, like hydroxide, chloride, nitrate, etc.

Most TDS meters are calibrated to read a mix of ions normally found in ground and drinking water. This is done by adjusting the circuitry to get a specific reading while the TDS meter electrodes are immersed in a standardized solution of salt. The salt solution is just used as a repeatable reference, and the TDS meter is not calibrated to read the actual ppm of the salt solution.

The result of these considerations is that the only TDS reading that is accurate for silver is ZERO, and any other reading will be incorrect. A TDS meter is not very useful for measuring silver, but is useful for measuring the purity of the water used to make colloidal silver.
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Have you made and used CS?
 
vostok

vostok

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Tovarisch said:
can you explain in more detail what salic is and how to use it?
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a sticking plaster for plants: also called willow tree tea

Salicylic acid is a phenolic phytohormone and is found in plants with roles in plant growth and development, photosynthesis, transpiration, ion uptake and transport.[39] SA is involved in endogenous signaling, mediating in plant defense against pathogens.[40] It plays a role in the resistance to pathogens by inducing the production of pathogenesis-related proteins.[41] It is involved in the systemic acquired resistance in which a pathogenic attack on one part of the plant induces resistance in other parts. The signal can also move to nearby plants by salicylic acid being converted to the volatile ester methyl salicylate.[42]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylic_acid
 
Miyagismokes

Miyagismokes

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vostok said:

a sticking plaster for plants: also called willow tree tea

Salicylic acid is a phenolic phytohormone and is found in plants with roles in plant growth and development, photosynthesis, transpiration, ion uptake and transport.[39] SA is involved in endogenous signaling, mediating in plant defense against pathogens.[40] It plays a role in the resistance to pathogens by inducing the production of pathogenesis-related proteins.[41] It is involved in the systemic acquired resistance in which a pathogenic attack on one part of the plant induces resistance in other parts. The signal can also move to nearby plants by salicylic acid being converted to the volatile ester methyl salicylate.[42]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylic_acid
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I'm unfamiliar with salicylic acid being a means of feminizing, could you provide more info? Interesting stuff!
 
Bodyne

Bodyne

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funny thing, its an ingredient in bud candy not listed on the label, or at least so says the state of OR. OR is funny bout proprietory ingredients that way. Superthrive, some other stuff, can't buy there, get online. I also didn't there was a fem bonus with the stuff, lol.
https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/Pesticides/Documents/2018Advisories/BudCandyOrganic082718.pdf.

having said that I pulled an old recipe off here for colloidal silver just to try and experiment with, it seems a bit heavy to what everyone says, but dude swears by it and I can't wait to try.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Bodyne said:
funny thing, its an ingredient in bud candy not listed on the label, or at least so says the state of OR. OR is funny bout proprietory ingredients that way. Superthrive, some other stuff, can't buy there, get online. I also didn't there was a fem bonus with the stuff, lol.
https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/Pesticides/Documents/2018Advisories/BudCandyOrganic082718.pdf.

having said that I pulled an old recipe off here for colloidal silver just to try and experiment with, it seems a bit heavy to what everyone says, but dude swears by it and I can't wait to try.
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Someone has to try and keep these nute companies honest. I have no problem with Oregon issuing a stop sale order for the product. Who knows what they put in some of this stuff they're selling.
 
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