Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Discussion in 'Organics' started by headtreep, Mar 21, 2013.


    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    was the biochar charged before you put it in the soil? I made my own biochar and charged it myself... and the test run i did with the mix was awesome. the plants were definitely superior. i ended up having to just mix that particular mix with the rest of my soils, but i'm going to be making more char soon for a second test batch and i'm looking forward to it. the plants that had the char had bigger nugs and grew wider/taller than the ones i tested against it. the only diff in the mixes was the char. I need to make some more soon and get it in all my mixes. i've just had too much other shit going on.

    do yourself a favor if you have PM indoors, and get yourself a sulfur burner (it vaporizes not burns) and some sulfur prills off amazon and vaporize that shit in your grow. it will sterilize the environment and sulfur in large doses is highly antifungal and the plants will absorb the sulfur from the air and it will get rid of PM even in the stem tissues. It takes more than one application but let me tell you from experience... it's the only thing that actually works (other than eagle 20 but fuck that shit). i blasted my flower room when it was empty, and i blasted my veg room full of plants. then i blasted the flower room about 2 weeks into flower with the plants in there. i blasted the veg room again after that. I have been mildew freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. it's been so nice, i fought that shit for a year... IT SUCKS, the sulfur burner was the only thing that finally did the trick.
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    NWHeadies Member

    Sulfur burners are the tits for PM thats for sure best thing i have ever used.
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    Aruanda Well-Known Member

    Interesting this suphur burner you speak of @ShLUbY I'll have to check it out.

    Your post reminded me of essential oil diffusers/atomizers. My friend has one from dōterra:

    It diffuses/atomizes the oil into fine vapor that saturates the air in a space. Wondering now if something like this would be effective for essential oil IPM application as it would perhaps theoretically not just saturate the air but adhere to the surfaces of plants, etc.
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    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the sulfur tip! Potassium bicarb took care of the PM for now, but it's a band-aid. I also grow outdoors, so mold & mildew don't really freak me out -- unless they're taking over. (I lost at least 4 zips to brown mold last fall & had to chop early.)
    Regarding the biochar, I just mixed it straight from the bag @ 5%.
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    DonBrennon Well-Known Member

    Does it say if it's been charged or not anywhere on the bag? I can't believe a company manufacturing biochar for gardening purposes would sell you un-charged biochar without telling you to charge it before use.........very irrisponsible and I'd imagine would lose them a lot of custom. Lack of information on soil amendments really pisses me off and I believe it's worse here than in the States'.
    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    That probably explains the problems I had after repotting. The plants were root bound in half gallon pots, so the soil was spent (FFOF). I had been giving them tea when they started looking pale, and it worked great. After repotting into the custom soil with biochar, it took about a week for all of them to fade, then the PM hit. Then the bugs showed up. It was a nasty fight but they look MUCH better now. These plants have been baptized by fire! Gonna do a final trim & flip em in a few days.
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    WeedWitchOR Active Member

    Formerly certified master gardener, all organic etc :) Same tricks, new plant.
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    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    looks like maybe it needs a charge. doesn't really say anything about it on the bag....

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    yeah i already been down the potassium bicarb route. like you said.... band-aid. it will come back about 5 - 6 weeks into flower because the plant is systemically infected.

    I hear silica is good for isolating infections by means of the plants immune system mobilizing silica to the infection area and crystallizing the cells around the area to prevent spread.

    problem is that PM is spore borne and those freaking spores are everywhere when your room has had it. if you see it show up again, get the burner :)
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    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    This was a learning experience. They guys at the hydro store didn't say anything about charging it either. Hmm...
    Maybe they knew it would cause problems & hoped I would spend more money on remedies???
    Nope. This ain't my first rodeo.
    It wasn't pretty, but I got through it just fine.
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    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    psh. hard to tell with them. the guys at my hydro stores KNOW ZERO SHIT about real organics. Hell, they dont even know shit about chemistry, or botany and actual plant processes at all. Say "Kreb cycle" to them and they'd be like "what???". they just sell what they can sell and make money. which is fine, it's a business and that's what they should do.

    i'm not saying that all grow store guys are like this... but the ones i deal with.... yeah, it's a little rough. I hear bad advice from people getting advice from the grow stores all the time. hydroponics, they can do. i'll give them that :)
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    Chronikool Well-Known Member

    Whatz a 'grow store'...??!!! ;)
    Kind Sir

    Kind Sir Well-Known Member

    I'm about to mix my soil up in a few days, what do you think?

    30% Sphagnum peat moss
    30% Malibu compost
    40% Aeration

    Neem cake (NeemResource)
    Kelp meal
    Fish bone meal
    Crab shell meal
    Oyster shell flour
    Glacial Rock dust

    I have time to order a few things.
    Besides foliage, told dressings.. I was looking @

    Red Wigglers
    Companion Plant
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    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    Hydro is where they make big money. Hell I was surprised they even had biochar. I even bought a box of langbeinite there last year! (Never saw it on the shelves again.)
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    Fastslappy Well-Known Member
    for All of your basalt,rock flours, char needs
    I quit using azomite due to the high AL levels in it & use 3 of these flours + the basalt as a mix for my mineral needs
    any of these bio-chars that are being sold as of late in the US is reclaimed beetles killed western fir & cedar
    both are really Soft & i've not had good luck with it both in the garden & in my grows & have gone back to Whole Foods Cowboy chunk charcoal (100% hardwood ) & it's actually cheaper too

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    My store has a bunch of organic DTE amendments and another MI based company called Organically Done. I can get most things i need there, but
    I have to order in once in a while. Probably been to the grow store 4 times in the last year though,the guy is always like "man havent seen you in a while!". Im thinking... yup sure is nice :)

    Fastslappy Well-Known Member

    Anyone using SST or malted grains ?
    I've tried both & like them

    Chronikool Well-Known Member

    Both....part of my bi- weekly :)
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    DesertGrow89 Well-Known Member

    @Chunky Stool What percentage of calcined clay is in your mix? I've found it can hold too much water depending on the percentage used in the root substrate.
    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    My favorite soilless mix (Gritty Kitty) is now a 4-part:
    2 parts ProMix HP (or sunshine #4)
    1 part rinsed Special Kitty
    1 part rinsed coco coir
    Try it, you'll like it!

    I should also mention that @RM3 also uses special kitty (he gave me the tip). His mix is half clay, half sunshine #4.
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