Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Discussion in 'Organics' started by headtreep, Mar 21, 2013.


    Mohican Well-Known Member

    Alfalfa also has plant hormones that stunt growth.

    If you ever need to oxygenate the soil, mix some dilute H2O2 in with your water.
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    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Alfalfa is magic.

    frankslan Well-Known Member

    should I add fish bone meal to the basic BAS coot recipe?

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    I switched to fish bone meal from Indonesian Bat Guano and it works every bit as well. I used guano for 7 years. Got mine kelp-4-less on eBay,6-20-0. The only negative is that it smells but that goes away after mixing. Used fish meal for years and this smells the same. Excellent results!

    Mohican Well-Known Member

    Kelp is magic!

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Yes it is and Growco hydroponics always has a great deal on 5 pound bags.
    mr. childs

    mr. childs Well-Known Member

    i always thought of the opposite, i thought one of the sources tria can be derived from is alfalfa isnt it? stuff just reeks when you use it for teas though...
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    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    Yeah the good fishbone meal smells a lot compare to the lower quality stuff (like DTE brand)
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    WitchDoctor Member

    32 30 gallon pot mix

    Girls scout cookies fematized
    Fluxing all plants
    30 gallon smart pots

    Base mix:
    30 CF peats moss
    30 CF rice hulls
    32 CF worm castings
    10 gallons aloe vera juice

    Agriculture Tumbler peats moss and aloe vera overnight to completely hydrate peats moss...Add remaining base mix...

    150 lbs rabbit manure
    20 lbs afalpha
    100 lbs 6 malt barley
    20 lbs kelp meal
    30 lbs crab meal
    40 lbs neem meal
    50 lbs basalt powder
    50 lbs glacier rock powder

    What do you all think???
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2017
    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    I've still got 10 lbs of Indonesian bat guano (0-7-0) but when it's gone, I'll look at fish bone meal. I also really dig Peruvian seabird guano (11-12-0). Works GREAT in nutrient teas. Plants can't get enough of the stuff!
    During flower I use half strength doses of both types of guano, plus K2SO4 & humic acid. Totally kicks ass! :hump:
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    AllDayToker Well-Known Member

    Hey so I posted up a few days back with my recent run and it seemed like the problem was it was just a light soil.

    I'm hoping to get some stuff ordered so by the time I'm finished chopping all my amendments are here and I can beef up my soil mix. What would you recommend adding? I have some things on hand, anything else I can order.

    They also sell a re amending package on build a soil for the soil but if it was light before I'm guessing that wouldn't work well.
    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    So is kelp.

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    well i'd go with something like a greensand and calphos as mentioned before.... and then if you want to get the amendment pack from them... i'd just add those new ingredients at 1/2c per cuft and give it a go.... experimentation is the only way to really find out :)

    i'm going through the same kinda thing as you, except i was seeing deficiencies at week 3 and 4 of flower... i think it was the down to earth amendments and have since switched every single product out for another brand. we'll see how this next run fairs....
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    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    You don't like down to earth products? I've used a bunch of their stuff with no problems...
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    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    what rates are you using them at? my soil Ph and all that is fine, and i've been having deficiencies with N, and K mostly (the K i blame on lack of it in the recipe). I've been having to add amendments to the mix at transplant so they'll be ready for the plant weeks down the road.... but the plants just seem to be chewing through the nutrients! I'm not surprised either... the root balls are solid roots through the entire pot...
    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    I usually just use the recommendation on the box. They make a lot of stuff. Right now I've got their langbeinite, azomite, humic acid, oyster shell, Indonesian bat guano, and rock phosphate.
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    Chronikool Well-Known Member

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    Fungus eating Ladybird... :)

    BillyBlanks420 Active Member

    Hey fellow organic growers... On my first no till cycle and I am experiencing some early yellowing in the last week of veg... I top dressed with an inch of Ewc amended with 1/2 cup each of neem/kelp/Crustacean and am hoping this will fix it because I want to flip any day now... I was wondering about an alfalfa foilar...
    In the beginning of this thread it talks about an alfalfa seed tea would reduce internodule spacing during the stretch... I was wondering if an alfalfa meal foilar would do the same thing... Thanks in advance guys
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    calliandra Well-Known Member


    hillbill Well-Known Member

    It takes about a week for top dressing to kick butt but I feel you have enough there. Heeping love on them has killed and tortured many plants. Water with compost tea for a herd boost when you water.

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