Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

2cent

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Lots of experienced growers get yields like that under organic, however I think most of use use more than 600 watts to achieve it. lol

Quite awhile back I posted a thread of my regular light bulb grow, like the kind of lights they sell at Walmart and Costco. It was also organic (no-till) in a 5X5 tent, and yielded 1075 grams of cured bud in organic no-till. Right here (lots of photos): https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-budget-5x5-setup.982183/
lool wow thats impressive my god shit haha man wow, house leds hahah daum! son!
i use 1200wat hid and 1400w led cree3030
 

2cent

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I'm queasy about buying worms and bringing them indoors, is there an alternative?
''finding'' worms n bring them inside ?
or stop at the door if u do buy em , put a soil dollop inside ya door and let me be, most wil make it in the piles, then uhaven braught them in ;)

there noffin wrong with a good ole lob in ya plants bro there clean as and make ya soil thrive
 

bobrown14

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Lots of experienced growers get yields like that under organic, however I think most of use use more than 600 watts to achieve it. lol

Quite awhile back I posted a thread of my regular light bulb grow, like the kind of lights they sell at Walmart and Costco. It was also organic (no-till) in a 5X5 tent, and yielded 1075 grams of cured bud in organic no-till. Right here (lots of photos): https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-budget-5x5-setup.982183/
To be clear - I run 1 room 5x10 each 5x5 has 600w COB with R-spec - I added 250w HLG with R-spec in the middle to fill out the overlap with the 2 600w fixtures.

All solar powered too so my overhead is not much ... running no-till. OK I buy a 2 year supply of kelp meal and also purchase WOW (wallace organic wonder) Mycos a few times a year.

Yields are related to genetics its pretty hard to make a sows ear into a race horse. Trick to that is choose keepers wisely. lol not as easy as it sounds. Good to have friends we can all run and trade then deal with hemp mites after... ffs.
 

Northwood

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Yields are related to genetics its pretty hard to make a sows ear into a race horse. Trick to that is choose keepers wisely. lol not as easy as it sounds. Good to have friends we can all run and trade then deal with hemp mites after... ffs.
My worst genetics so far were bought from the government called "Bakerstreet" produced by Tweed/Canopy Growth. Not only was it a problematic grow with lots of mutations, but it took 14 weeks in flower to finish and only yielded 850 grams from 4 plants! lol

Sadly having "keepers" is problematic here in Canada because of our stupid 4 plant limit and the fact that rooted clones count as plants. So I role the dice and plant from seed. Ironically since legalization I've been trying to be compliant for once ;)
 

bobrown14

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My worst genetics so far were bought from the government called "Bakerstreet" produced by Tweed/Canopy Growth. Not only was it a problematic grow with lots of mutations, but it took 14 weeks in flower to finish and only yielded 850 grams from 4 plants! lol

Sadly having "keepers" is problematic here in Canada because of our stupid 4 plant limit and the fact that rooted clones count as plants. So I role the dice and plant from seed. Ironically since legalization I've been trying to be compliant for once ;)
The whole idea was to get rid of the black market. When the government cant do what is needed then the black market stays in place. They need to improve the requirements restrictions.

What's next on the seed thing? Monsanto signs an agreement with Health Canada to supply GMO seeds?? Thats absurd.
 

2cent

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Haha yeah if u want and no lie hands doen best flavour u ever ever had and i mean double oil production i just bit a orange with the skin on flavours. Flsvour like i hoovered my trim 4 month ago and it smells everytime i turn it on
Humboldt seeds. But i got squirt snd melon 1 the biggest yielder they got... Umm it 55days and stretches for 35 of them. Then under a 600w where i get 20 easy it puls 9. But iys to die for lol.
Never runnin a full tent of that again.

Got 3 calivstrains from barneys this run. Kindly donated by them on hopes of a tree pic informed me there all daft yielding indica short as and coated. So fingers crossed this round gene should be there barneys has shown some killer yields in peoples diarys.

Full no till i dont giv a coot... Haha wel i will gona be crazy i cant wait. Hope my ewc pulls me thru
 
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Northwood

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The whole idea was to get rid of the black market. When the government cant do what is needed then the black market stays in place. They need to improve the requirements restrictions.

What's next on the seed thing? Monsanto signs an agreement with Health Canada to supply GMO seeds?? Thats absurd.
No, that was not the whole idea. Honestly I don't know where to begin. Let's start with the early days. I was a young person during the time cannabis was controlled as a narcotic in Canada under the NCA, and that was a brutal fucking time. We spent time in jail for "indictable" offences such as having a single rooted plant or a sprouted seed. If you're very young and don't understand what it was like, then I guess you get a pass.

The fact is that ruining a person's future just because they like weed is not a good thing. And Justin Trudeau fixed that, while Erin O'Toole as an MP screamed that it would cause evil in society and must be banned. FFS, put things in perspective.
 

bobrown14

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I'm a lot older than that. I'm a child of the 60s. Down here in the USA a lot of people were put it jail for weed. Disproportionately people of color. Think there's a car with a African American lets pull him over and arrest him for a seed yes a see not even sprouted. I have friends that that happened to as well.

I'm also a property owner in Canada and havent been able to go to see or visit my property for at least the last year and a half but I still gotta pay my taxes and utilities even tho they aren't being used.

My comment about Canadian legalization was about the fact that you have to purchase seed from Canadian government to be legal even tho there are plenty of seed vendors in Canada selling seeds. I find that a little strange. And the 4 plant max is not enforceable or being followed. Every Canadian grower I know grows a lot more than 4 plants outside in the summer not to mention indoor the rest of the year. Thats the black market bro. In full swing. The only thing better than before is you can take your weed to the dispensary and sell it to them... oh wait no you cant.
Point made right there.
 

stoobeey

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I'm just finally moving into TLO (I will fuck around in smaller pot sizings for an educational aspect , I understand why larger works better. 3 gal and 5, not sure I'll play with 7s right now)

So I'm using a new bag if roots I added 1/8c of amendments and some xtra ewc and. Looked a. Couple of weeks while my actual stuff cooks a month.

Recipe if decided on was 30% peat/30 lava rock /30 50/50 ewc bus compost
Per cuft
1/2c crab. Kelp, alfalfa,


I already cut out all gen org. Nutes weeks ago in end if my NL grow (top dressed a CPL weeks ago, they got like 4 weeks left).
A jack auto that doesn't seem to have stayed tiny.. did I train to early? I have in a 5 gal it's 1/4 the size of my pineapple auto in a 2g. I top dressed last week and a tea. I guess we'll see if it gets fuckex up.

My questions are knowing if I need to top dress or anything through a water only grow. I'll do teas every couple weeks. Or it's basically if the plants healthy the soil is good and feeding the plant? I'm so used to shoving chems into the soil every other day, I just don't wanna lean o not later to fix something..

Thanks for any advice
 

Northwood

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I'm just finally moving into TLO (I will fuck around in smaller pot sizings for an educational aspect , I understand why larger works better. 3 gal and 5, not sure I'll play with 7s right now)

My questions are knowing if I need to top dress or anything through a water only grow. I'll do teas every couple weeks.
There is no way you can grow a plant to finish with water only in a 3 to 5 gallon pot unless you grow a very tiny girl (like a 1 or 2 zip plant). To grow a real plant in that amount of medium, you'll likely need to top dress regularly with a powdered amendment. As far as no-till is concerned, the minimum amount of soil IME is 15 gallons, although I do know people that grow smaller plants than myself in only 10 gallon pots with lots of surface area.
 

Northwood

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The only thing better than before is you can take your weed to the dispensary and sell it to them... oh wait no you cant.
Not sure if you've ever been to Canada, but it's never been the land where everyone who smokes weed also grows a few 100 kilograms a year to make a living selling on the black market. They've always been a minority, and that's because customers must outnumber producers for you to have a market in the first place. (No idea why I have to explain this. lol)

What is better now is that I can legally possess an unlimited amount of cannabis products in my home, grow my own 4 plants to yield 3 to 4 kg per year, smoke a big fatty on the sidewalk in front of a police station holding a 30 gram bag of bud, and 10 police officers wont be pointing their guns at me before they rough me up and put me in jail, while giving me an indictable criminal record after I get out in a couple of years. If you feel it was better under the Narcotics Control Act (NCA), then glad you don't live here. Many people of my age went through hell for decades to get to this point.
 

stoobeey

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There is no way you can grow a plant to finish with water only in a 3 to 5 gallon pot unless you grow a very tiny girl (like a 1 or 2 zip plant). To grow a real plant in that amount of medium, you'll likely need to top dress regularly with a powdered amendment. As far as no-till is concerned, the minimum amount of soil IME is 15 gallons, although I do know people that grow smaller plants than myself in only 10 gallon pots with lots of surface area.
I don't mind top dressing and or extra teas. I don't plan on no till, but I absolutely want to throw out my liquids. Obviously it's a personal grow .. shit I was so inconsistent with liquid nutes I was pulling 4oz if I was lucky off 5 gal plant under 1000 hps lol. My clones always would produce even less. The last clone I pulled of sour sorbet however yielded the best and most ever for me, 9oz dry between 2 plants in 2 gal. I'd rather make a bucket of amendment too dress mix and use as needed.

I veg in a closet , 2x4 worth space and plenty of vetical with 4 qb120s on120w driver. New I'm trying to figure out distance with new seedlings. I flower in a 4x4 with a 680w growers choice led.

Also if I need to add to my soil mix let me know, I see a lot of people with lots of mineral dust, bit unsure I'm covered.

popped.
 

Northwood

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I don't mind top dressing and or extra teas. I don't plan on no till, but I absolutely want to throw out my liquids. Obviously it's a personal grow .. shit I was so inconsistent with liquid nutes I was pulling 4oz if I was lucky off 5 gal plant under 1000 hps lol. My clones always would produce even less. The last clone I pulled of sour sorbet however yielded the best and most ever for me, 9oz dry between 2 plants in 2 gal. I'd rather make a bucket of amendment too dress mix and use as needed.

I veg in a closet , 2x4 worth space and plenty of vetical with 4 qb120s on120w driver. New I'm trying to figure out distance with new seedlings. I flower in a 4x4 with a 680w growers choice led.

Also if I need to add to my soil mix let me know, I see a lot of people with lots of mineral dust, bit unsure I'm covered.

popped.
If you aren't doing no-till or reusing this soil without remix, then why are you adding 1/3rd lava rock? I also wouldn't worry about mineral additions if this is a one-off. A peat or coco medium with perlite drains just fine on its own, and it takes more than a year before you get any substantial aggregation of minerals by bacteria in any case. You aren't building soil here, you're just mixing medium for this one-time grow.

If you want to add less amendments, you could put a bit of manure based fertilizer in your initial mix, hen manure would be good because of the high calcium content.

TBH it all sounds like a waste to me, unless you have a vegetable garden in the backyard you can dump this in after you're done. Frankly it's been awhile since I mixed a soil base (years now), and I couldn't imagine going to that effort of starting over for every single grow, every 4 months. I'd go insane! But we all have different priorities I guess.
 

stoobeey

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If you aren't doing no-till or reusing this soil without remix, then why are you adding 1/3rd lava rock? I also wouldn't worry about mineral additions if this is a one-off. A peat or coco medium with perlite drains just fine on its own, and it takes more than a year before you get any substantial aggregation of minerals by bacteria in any case. You aren't building soil here, you're just mixing medium for this one-time grow.

If you want to add less amendments, you could put a bit of manure based fertilizer in your initial mix, hen manure would be good because of the high calcium content.

TBH it all sounds like a waste to me, unless you have a vegetable garden in the backyard you can dump this in after you're done. Frankly it's been awhile since I mixed a soil base (years now), and I couldn't imagine going to that effort of starting over for every single grow, every 4 months. I'd go insane! But we all have different priorities I guess.
Huh? I'm reusing the soil for sure, why wouldn't I,. I didn't amend the roots stuff with lava , only using that in my built mix which I only have 1.5cuft cooking for now, I'll get 3 more going shortly will be enough to do my perpetual

The roots I have left over I only added the meals no xtra aeriation. I plan on taking some of that to replant a mango tree into a 10 gal to rid myself of some. And figured keep used around for seedlings.
 

Northwood

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Huh? I'm reusing the soil for sure, why wouldn't I,. I didn't amend the roots stuff with lava , only using that in my built mix which I only have 1.5cuft cooking for now, I'll get 3 more going shortly will be enough to do my perpetual

The roots I have left over I only added the meals no xtra aeriation. I plan on taking some of that to replant a mango tree into a 10 gal to rid myself of some. And figured keep used around for seedlings.
Oh okay, I guess. Happy growing!
 

hillbill

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5 quarts of ROLS in 1.5 gallon waste baskets give 1 to 2.5 ounces most of the time with proper training and lighting.
 

bobrown14

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Not sure if you've ever been to Canada, but it's never been the land where everyone who smokes weed also grows a few 100 kilograms a year to make a living selling on the black market. They've always been a minority, and that's because customers must outnumber producers for you to have a market in the first place. (No idea why I have to explain this. lol)

What is better now is that I can legally possess an unlimited amount of cannabis products in my home, grow my own 4 plants to yield 3 to 4 kg per year, smoke a big fatty on the sidewalk in front of a police station holding a 30 gram bag of bud, and 10 police officers wont be pointing their guns at me before they rough me up and put me in jail, while giving me an indictable criminal record after I get out in a couple of years. If you feel it was better under the Narcotics Control Act (NCA), then glad you don't live here. Many people of my age went through hell for decades to get to this point.
I'm 62yo live in the USA and own a home (cottage) in Ontario. Likely been going to Canada longer that you've been alive so simmer down. Not going to argue the fact that you can have weed in Canada and hopefully not get arrested. Good for you.

The restrictions are my argument.

They are just plain silly. Not to mention opening the door for a company like Monsanto to come in and shove GMO seed and weed down your throat. No thanks.. Been around and been smoking weed since I was 10. I'm good with staying out of trouble. Why... I don't smoke weed in front of police or carry it around with me. EVER

The restrictions are there for someone to make money. Plain and simple. The law was enacted to shut down the black market .... was the original intent.

Canada needs to improve what they are doing with the restrictions.

I can carry a bag of weed around.... ok I never do that. I can smoke weed in front of cops... Ok never do that either. So we back to where we started.
 

2cent

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If am makin a 400 litre cont..
At 33/33/33
135litres peat
135 litres lava
135litres ewc?

Lava is 5kg for £20 pumice? Am i loomin right coz thats 500 quid on aeration lol


Standard clay hydrotion for hydro..? Clay balls
Accepted?

LECA has uses in agriculture and landscapes. It can alter soil mechanics. It is used as a growing medium in hydroponics systems since blended with other growing mediums such as soil and peat, it can improve drainage, retain water during periods of drought, insulate roots during frost, and provide roots with increased oxygen levels promoting very vigorous growth. LECA can be mixed with heavy soil to improve its aeration and drainage.
 
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Northwood

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I'm 62yo live in the USA and own a home (cottage) in Ontario. Likely been going to Canada longer that you've been alive so simmer down
Possible if you were born in your cottage, because I'm only 61.Since you're so familiar with the Canadian cannabis scene during the 1970s as a teenager here, I find it odd that you think things are worse with legalization than back then.

Meanwhile I grow great weed legally with much better quality than I could score on the black market before legalization. Plus it's organic no-till and I know what goes into it.

You do your thing. Complaining is legal here in Canada too, even if it doesnt make any sense.
 
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