Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

SouthernSoil*

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I am pulling every two weeks :P I keep laughing my ass off at the South African method of veg, flower and pack up. Commit for a year or two at LEAST, get your cloning game up, seperate veg area, choose some mothers and make cuts almost daily. Keep your favorites and flower. I throw away a lot of clones that are not on par, and I can do this because I am busy every day making sure there is something fresh to flower. I can run single cola SOG style right next to Christmas trees. It is all about the rhythm. You are lucky to pay for your gear off a first run. Perpetual flow. Treating indoor like outdoor will end up being a bit overboard yes.
Respect bro, thats definitely the way to do it, unfortunately i cannot commit a year yet, i should have started long long ago but its doing it alone, definitely doing clones next time bro & ive still got sheeting to build a very decent veg cab which i can then use my 250w mh magnetic on, i wont have time for quite a while bro, i know you have some insane rhythm going on there bro, i paid for my gear a while ago bro just been keeping it and havent really had a chance to get it going. Should of scrogged no doubt but in anycase ill learnt alot man, i appreciate all the help.
 

SouthernSoil*

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Southern Soil, here is my suggestion for your scenario: you need a buddy system. Between you and a friend or two (you were a crew of three far as I recall except if that was somebody else), you need to keep a fast, potent mother. Or two or three I mean it doesn't matter. Not everybody needs a big mum at first, the mum can be at one house, a mum at all, two, whatever. So lets say you have to go do your prac, now you pack up and spend three months away. Four weeks before you get back, your buddy makes fresh cuts, roots them and sets aside under a t5 or whatever. You get back, fork over a few bucks for his effort, case of beer, however you guys work. Clones come home and go straight to flower in your freshly cleaned rig. A good Indy and six to eight weeks later you are cropping. One cut gets grown out to a mother so now your buddy can take a holiday knowing when he gets back the favor is returned. Most fellas are not in a position to function without a buddy system, lots of people here have set up their entire existence around growing medical weed. So guys like StOw are capable of holding on to lines and keeping a good rhythm without interfering with their daily existence, and as a matter of fact enhancing it. Where for ninety percent of us, this is not possible, a buddy system is the only road forward. The Americans have got buddy systems down to such an art they are called 'Co operatives and similar official sounding names, and they can get very big and a lot of knowledge does the rounds. We need the balls to follow that example, our grower community is totally split and isolated ATM. EDIT: NO MATTER THE SIZE A RIG IS NOT A RIG WITHOUT A VEG AREA even if it is just four t5's.
Bro you got it spot on, a buddy system would be a huge help, not really in the place or position to find that yet but maybe in a matter of time bro, the system sounds extremely solid though, i can imagine the knowledge flowing around it must be really intense but its awesome what we can do when we work together.

You right though over here everybody is all split and isolated & a veg area is a really good commitment, i actually have a little 50x50x100H stealth box, ill keep it aside for that purpose. Once again, thank you for the advice, much respect bro
 

Senca the Younger

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I use ~50 drops neem oil per 750 ml spray bottle and one drop of soap...
that can foliar over 20 plants and a dawg still tosses some out..

Rosemary is a bonus
Has anyone found that Neem Oil absorbed in soil negatively impacts micro life? The Rev recommends covering the soil to prevent Neem Oil from getting into the soil.
 

zonderkop

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i can't give a definitive answer, but i don't think neem oil, in those quantities, will kill significant soil life. neem makes plants less attractive to bigger bugs, and kills smaller bugs like aphids, thrips or whitefly with direct application.

earth worms love neem, so i think covering the soil is not needed. i know others soil soak with neem oil, but extreme doses prob. are not recommended as it is anit-fungl and bacterial. but, which ones does it kill? i don't know.
 

DonTesla

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Has anyone found that Neem Oil absorbed in soil negatively impacts micro life? The Rev recommends covering the soil to prevent Neem Oil from getting into the soil.
DonPetro no likey either,
Oaksterdam University says nothing about it,
As for neem companies, they recommend it but they want you to use more and buy more.

I think misting the topsoil without the soap is ok if NEEDED, but I dilute more, again, i use just 1 drop neem per 100ml water and avoid commercial soap. It's the soap that kills and causes a lock up.

Just avoid the flowers and minimize the amount used, it will accumulate.

Neem is natural and helps humans with skin issues, it won't harm beneficial life, it does sterilize pests tho so they can't have more babies.

Better than just offence is a good offence and defence:
DE Rocks rock..

Their jagged structure not only stop pupae (&gnats) from reaching soil it mashes em up, and slowly releases its rare elements too
-86% silica
-5% sodium
-3% magnesium
-2% iron

No I'm not sponsored by a DE company.
I just endorse two headed solutions
 

stak

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That was a lot of reading.

Hi everyone. I’ve been lurking in this thread since around October when I mixed up about 15cuft of soil following Coots recipe. At first I just read like the first page or so of this thread then jumped to the last page and started following from there. I was getting to the point where I would need to start recycling and/or reamending the soil and started to have questions about that and other things. So last month I decided to read the whole thread before asking anything. I finished up earlier today and don’t have many questions left.

I want to get a couple aloe plants to grow indoors and due to spacing I’d prefer to keep them in the flower tent. Does anyone else do this or does anyone see a problem with keeping them under 12/12?

Thank you @headtreep for starting this thread and thank you to everyone keeping it going.









 

foreverflyhi

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nice!

I have two large aloe plants. I took them both back to the outdoors after realizing they wernt doing so well. Within weeks they were plump with aloe juice and noticeably healthier. Not too say they won't do good indoors, but I would say, rather use the extra space for flower, plus they make nice patio plants.
 

Mad Hamish

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That was a lot of reading.

Hi everyone. I’ve been lurking in this thread since around October when I mixed up about 15cuft of soil following Coots recipe. At first I just read like the first page or so of this thread then jumped to the last page and started following from there. I was getting to the point where I would need to start recycling and/or reamending the soil and started to have questions about that and other things. So last month I decided to read the whole thread before asking anything. I finished up earlier today and don’t have many questions left.

I want to get a couple aloe plants to grow indoors and due to spacing I’d prefer to keep them in the flower tent. Does anyone else do this or does anyone see a problem with keeping them under 12/12?

Thank you @headtreep for starting this thread and thank you to everyone keeping it going.









First off, standing ovation for doing your own leg work and reading this entire thread! That must have been an epic journey, I remember reading through all of Rrog's thread and trying to process it all, took me quite some time reading all the links etc too. I also still ponder many things, and find the answers are really easy to get to between a thread or three. Aloe will survive anywhere pretty much, I see no problems with the light cycle myself.
 

stak

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nice!

I have two large aloe plants. I took them both back to the outdoors after realizing they wernt doing so well. Within weeks they were plump with aloe juice and noticeably healthier. Not too say they won't do good indoors, but I would say, rather use the extra space for flower, plus they make nice patio plants.
Thanks!

Outdoors is not really an option, we had a blizzard recently. I was thinking of putting them on a windowsill inside but those areas are also too cold right now. So that only leaves the grow spaces. The veg is almost always packed to max capacity, but there always seems to be some space somewhere around the edges of the flower area.


First off, standing ovation for doing your own leg work and reading this entire thread! That must have been an epic journey, I remember reading through all of Rrog's thread and trying to process it all, took me quite some time reading all the links etc too. I also still ponder many things, and find the answers are really easy to get to between a thread or three. Aloe will survive anywhere pretty much, I see no problems with the light cycle myself.
I've always like to read before asking. I can usually find the answers I'm looking for and a whole lot more, especially with this thread. The downside is there is so much information it's hard to always remember who said what.

This sites layout doesn't seem to let me bring up a list of the threads started by a specific user, do you have a link for Rrog's thread? I'd like to check it out and maybe add it to the group of threads I plan to read/follow. The Vermicomposters Unite thread is the up next.
 

Mad Hamish

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Thanks!

Outdoors is not really an option, we had a blizzard recently. I was thinking of putting them on a windowsill inside but those areas are also too cold right now. So that only leaves the grow spaces. The veg is almost always packed to max capacity, but there always seems to be some space somewhere around the edges of the flower area.




I've always like to read before asking. I can usually find the answers I'm looking for and a whole lot more, especially with this thread. The downside is there is so much information it's hard to always remember who said what.

This sites layout doesn't seem to let me bring up a list of the threads started by a specific user, do you have a link for Rrog's thread? I'd like to check it out and maybe add it to the group of threads I plan to read/follow. The Vermicomposters Unite thread is the up next.


http://rollitup.org/t/so-who-here-is-growing-in-true-organic-living-soil.583341/ there you go mate.... epic read.
 

st0wandgrow

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Has anyone found that Neem Oil absorbed in soil negatively impacts micro life? The Rev recommends covering the soil to prevent Neem Oil from getting into the soil.
I use neem seed meal in my soil (a lot of others do too) and it seems to be beneficial, so I don't think a little neem oil would hurt bene's at all


That was a lot of reading.

Hi everyone. I’ve been lurking in this thread since around October when I mixed up about 15cuft of soil following Coots recipe. At first I just read like the first page or so of this thread then jumped to the last page and started following from there. I was getting to the point where I would need to start recycling and/or reamending the soil and started to have questions about that and other things. So last month I decided to read the whole thread before asking anything. I finished up earlier today and don’t have many questions left.

I want to get a couple aloe plants to grow indoors and due to spacing I’d prefer to keep them in the flower tent. Does anyone else do this or does anyone see a problem with keeping them under 12/12?

Thank you @headtreep for starting this thread and thank you to everyone keeping it going.









Hey stak. Nice looking gal you have there! I second MH's comment above about doing so much reading. Cudos!

As for the aloe plant, I would keep it out of the flower room. They will need more than 12 hours a day of light, but the light intensity doesn't have to be strong so you could put it pretty much anywhere in your house that gets some type of sunlight, even if it's indirect.
 

SouthernSoil*

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Hey there guys, seeing as i have a small amount of trim what would you guys recommend using it on ? I was thinking of juicing it and using it for myself but its mixed in with some wilted leaves so im not too keen for that, i also wanted to ask seeing as i have 12 gallons of soil which i cant exactly look after for quite some time what would you think would be the best use for it ? I have a big pot outside that i could fill up with this 12 gallon but do you guys have any experience what other type of fruit would do well in it ? It would be extremely beautiful to plant a lady in there, i really wish but unfortunately some family members arent up for that. Any help will be much appreciated. Respect
 

zonderkop

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depending on your soil mix, you can grow many vegetables. i've grown chilli plants that really took off after transplant. aloe vera and other house plants too. or your could just plant a cover crop, throw in some compost worms, and let it go fallow. that's what i'm doing now, out of laziness.
 

stak

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Thank you, I appreciate the help

Hey stak. Nice looking gal you have there! I second MH's comment above about doing so much reading. Cudos!
Thanks!

As for the aloe plant, I would keep it out of the flower room. They will need more than 12 hours a day of light, but the light intensity doesn't have to be strong so you could put it pretty much anywhere in your house that gets some type of sunlight, even if it's indirect.
The aloe plants will have to be kept in a basement area and the only accessible area with natural light is a single windowsill. The sill is small and cold, since it's at ground level and the ground in frozen right now, so I'd prefer to avoid using it. I have two aloe plants on the way, I'm thinking I should put one on the sill and one in the flower tent. See how they do and if necessary I can probably rearrange things and increase the grow area to accommodate them better.
 

DonPetro

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That was a lot of reading.

Hi everyone. I’ve been lurking in this thread since around October when I mixed up about 15cuft of soil following Coots recipe. At first I just read like the first page or so of this thread then jumped to the last page and started following from there. I was getting to the point where I would need to start recycling and/or reamending the soil and started to have questions about that and other things. So last month I decided to read the whole thread before asking anything. I finished up earlier today and don’t have many questions left.

I want to get a couple aloe plants to grow indoors and due to spacing I’d prefer to keep them in the flower tent. Does anyone else do this or does anyone see a problem with keeping them under 12/12?

Thank you @headtreep for starting this thread and thank you to everyone keeping it going.









Whoa buddy!! Looks like reading this thread done did you some good! Dang! Looking great!!!
 

PSUAGRO.

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DonPetro no likey either,
Oaksterdam University says nothing about it,
As for neem companies, they recommend it but they want you to use more and buy more.

I think misting the topsoil without the soap is ok if NEEDED, but I dilute more, again, i use just 1 drop neem per 100ml water and avoid commercial soap. It's the soap that kills and causes a lock up.

Just avoid the flowers and minimize the amount used, it will accumulate.

Neem is natural and helps humans with skin issues, it won't harm beneficial life, it does sterilize pests tho so they can't have more babies.

Better than just offence is a good offence and defence:
DE Rocks rock..

Their jagged structure not only stop pupae (&gnats) from reaching soil it mashes em up, and slowly releases its rare elements too
-86% silica
-5% sodium
-3% magnesium
-2% iron


No I'm not sponsored by a DE company.
I just endorse two headed solutions
Literally NONE of those elements are RARE...................just saying:eyesmoke:

neem cake has been used for many years as a fertilizer in India with no apparent ill effects to soil biology/microflora??accumulation worries would have shown by now, i see no recent studies though

yes DE is a nice addition to the battle...............fungus gnats have been with me since the beginning of my indoor journey, have yet to eradicate them completely tbh.

still apply bifenthrin between grows, old AG habits die hard
 

Mad Hamish

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Hey there guys, seeing as i have a small amount of trim what would you guys recommend using it on ? I was thinking of juicing it and using it for myself but its mixed in with some wilted leaves so im not too keen for that, i also wanted to ask seeing as i have 12 gallons of soil which i cant exactly look after for quite some time what would you think would be the best use for it ? I have a big pot outside that i could fill up with this 12 gallon but do you guys have any experience what other type of fruit would do well in it ? It would be extremely beautiful to plant a lady in there, i really wish but unfortunately some family members arent up for that. Any help will be much appreciated. Respect
ANYTHING will grow well in there trust me, this time of year I'd go for cocktail tomato or a trellis with beans or so. Beans are awesome they really don't tax your soil much. I planted roses in Coot's mix and they love it. As for the trim... BHO!
 

DonTesla

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Literally NONE of those elements are RARE
Um, You referring to rare earth elements..Lol, I'm just referring to rare literally, as in not found in everything. Especially if you're organic (am i in the right section here?) and using Ro, and flowering long landrace sativas like us.. Si and Cu are still elements Na mean?

neem cake has been used for many years as a fertilizer in India with no apparent ill effects to soil biology/microflora?
Comparing Oil sprayed directly on flowers we inhale/consume vs cake mellowed in India? Wow, someone's proving I don't have a pesticide for everything, or shall I say, one, hahaha.. Jk.

But really, for your in between crop game, talk to none other than Stow, man. Every grower here has strengths and weaknesses. Small pivot can mean a big angle improvement. Just gotta find a guy whose strong in your weak areas and bulk up. We engulf our bad habits via learning a better way.
One love to the mentoring specialists
Game gets rounder every WEEK
BEST CALL IT A STRONG
 
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