Russia attacks America; Trump does not care.

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
yes they did.

disinformation and propaganda are weapons of war.
Funny you don't hold the US or DNC to the same standards

A private organization in Russia does not constitute the Russian government. That'd be like claiming Fox News or MSNBC are "weapons of war"; each being complete disinformation and propaganda
no one is talking about getting into an actual, boots on the ground war with russia, drama queen
People in the media and on RIU are comparing it to Pearl Harbor, for fucks sake. Pushing the narrative that "Russia attacked us!" and comparing it to Pearl Harbor is justifying a preemptive strike "to protect American Freedom".

If you believe going to war with Russia over this bullshit is justified, pick up a rifle and sign the contract. Stop inciting war, stop supporting the military industrial complex. Educate yourself and fucking vote right. Stop supporting neocons, corporate Democrats and people bought and paid for by special interests.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Funny you don't hold the US or DNC to the same standards

A private organization in Russia does not constitute the Russian government. That'd be like claiming Fox News or MSNBC are "weapons of war"; each being complete disinformation and propaganda

People in the media and on RIU are comparing it to Pearl Harbor, for fucks sake. Pushing the narrative that "Russia attacked us!" and comparing it to Pearl Harbor is justifying a preemptive strike "to protect American Freedom".

If you believe going to war with Russia over this bullshit is justified, pick up a rifle and sign the contract. Stop inciting war, stop supporting the military industrial complex. Educate yourself and fucking vote right. Stop supporting neocons, corporate Democrats and people bought and paid for by special interests.
again. no one is talking about an actual war with russia, you fucking drama queen.

if you think the disinformation and propaganda campaign carried out by russia did not come from the top levels of government you are fucking stupid.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Russia did not "attack America"

What took place amounted to a social media campaign that both American intelligence agencies and the writer of the initial report on this, Adrian Chen of The New Yorker, said did not significantly change the outcome of the election

Whoever is concerned about this should look at the Democratic primary, the outcome of that election was actually significantly changed by collusion
Not an attack? Working to disrupt and discredit the US presidential elections is an overture to peace?

They discredited the election. Trump's presidency has certainly been tarred by this. That's important to know, wouldn't you say? What we aren't yet sure about but have some suspicion is that Trump's campaign colluded with this effort. If true, that's important to know, wouldn't you say? Some of Trump's actions appear to be attempts to interfere in the investigation. If true, that's important to know, wouldn't you say?

From the above, it's clear the Russians caused grievous harm to the US. It's not outside the definition of "attack" to say that an assault on the institution of our elections that caused grievous harm upon it and therefore the US society is an attack.

Why are you defending Russia?
Why are you defending Trump?
Why are you defending right wing authoritarian regimes?
Are you really a progressive liberal?

What does Russia's media campaign have to do with Bernie getting thrashed in the primary? I know you can't understand this but the Democratic primary has been thoroughly looked at. The answer you won't accept is, Bernie lost. He really did.
 

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
again. no one is talking about an actual war with russia, you fucking drama queen.

if you think the disinformation and propaganda campaign carried out by russia did not come from the top levels of government you are fucking stupid.
I volunteered to help facilitate high school students doing Model UN in college. I can honestly say that every student I encountered there had a more sophisticated understanding of international affairs then @Padawanbater2 does. And they utilized it without the chin-stroking air of superiority that he does.

Shame.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Funny you don't hold the US or DNC to the same standards

A private organization in Russia does not constitute the Russian government. That'd be like claiming Fox News or MSNBC are "weapons of war"; each being complete disinformation and propaganda

People in the media and on RIU are comparing it to Pearl Harbor, for fucks sake. Pushing the narrative that "Russia attacked us!" and comparing it to Pearl Harbor is justifying a preemptive strike "to protect American Freedom".

If you believe going to war with Russia over this bullshit is justified, pick up a rifle and sign the contract. Stop inciting war, stop supporting the military industrial complex. Educate yourself and fucking vote right. Stop supporting neocons, corporate Democrats and people bought and paid for by special interests.
AKA



I found these especially hilarious with your new stance in that other thread.

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You were wrong then, and are still pushing the Russian narrative aimed at getting Russia's favorite candidates elected.

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hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Anyone that needs any evidence of how little the Republicans care about anything other than doing Trump's bidding and appointing activist judges who should not be, that hearing is worth the watch. Especially noticeable after the Democrats try to get a amendment passed to call witnesses and get shut down over and over again. Only to end the hearing stuffing another right wing activist judge.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/crises-multiply-trumps-senate-allies-respond-her-emails/
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American justice is in crisis: Civil rights demonstrators fill the streets, most Americans say law enforcement is discriminatory, and, in front of the White House, the attorney general orders federal police to trample the constitutional rights of peaceful demonstrators.

This would be a good time for the august members of the Senate Judiciary Committee to protect the Constitution they swore to uphold.
Instead, committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) convened his panel this week to launch yet another investigation into the Obama administration.

Who cares about the virus, economic collapse and unrest? President Trump has said he wants Graham to investigate the investigation into Russian election interference, and Graham complied. With party-line votes, he circumvented decades-old rules to give himself unilateral power to issue subpoenas to Trump’s favorite villains: John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Nellie and Bruce Ohr, Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, John Podesta, Susan Rice and more.

Graham made perfectly clear his motive: vengeance. “Comey and McCabe and that whole crowd — their day is coming,” he vowed at the hearing Thursday. He declared Robert Mueller “off script” and he proposed alternatives for Russia-probe investigators: Either people “need to be fired, they need to be disciplined,” or “they are good candidates to go to jail.”

“Somebody needs to be held accountable,” he decreed. In fact, getting to the bottom of the FBI’s actions four years ago is what Graham called his “promise [to] the American people.”

That’s his promise?

That very day, markets plunged 6 percent after the Federal Reserve said millions have lost jobs permanently. While the pandemic resurges and racial unrest roils the country, Trump speaks up for Confederate symbolism and floats bizarre conspiracy theories. The defense secretary and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff disavow the White House’s crackdown on the First Amendment.

But by all means, let’s talk about Hillary’s emails.

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“The committee has never received any emails from the Democratic National Committee or Clinton campaign even though we repeatedly asked for them,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) complained at Thursday’s session. He then traveled memory lane, from Fusion GPS to the Steele dossier, to alleged “Russian collusion” by the Clinton campaign. “What did Hillary Clinton know about the dossier and when did she know it?” Grassley demanded.

Let’s do the time warp again.

Never mind that the Justice Department’s inspector general has already issued a 478-page report on the matter. Never mind that the Senate passed a bipartisan bill adding more safeguards to future investigations, but Trump has blocked it. Never mind that Attorney General William Barr assigned a friendly prosecutor for an election-season investigation of the investigators.

Graham is so singularly focused on delivering for Trump that he blocked Democrats from adding to the subpoena list past or current Trump advisers Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen, Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, Rudy Giuliani, Roger Stone and anybody else whose testimony might shift the focus from Obama. Republicans even shot down a request for the unredacted Mueller report.

The committee will hold a hearing next week about “Police Use of Force and Community Relations” without specific legislation (South Carolina’s Tim Scott, the Senate’s lone black Republican, is working on that). Graham brushed off Democrats’ request to have Barr at that hearing, saying Barr “will come before this committee” at an unspecified time.

Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.) tried to amend Graham’s authorization to say the subpoenas must wait “until the committee has conducted a hearing to investigate the conduct of Attorney General Barr.”

“Not relevant,” Graham said.

Harris and Booker also tried an amendment postponing subpoenas until the Senate acts on legislation addressing “discriminatory policing.”

“Move to table,” Graham said.

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) requested an amendment condemning Barr “for ordering federal officers to use gas and rubber bullets against the people of the United States who were peaceably protesting in Lafayette Square.”

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) objected to condemning Barr “before we know what we don’t know.” (In other words: No Barr testimony, and no condemning Barr because there’s been no Barr testimony.)

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Democrats howled. “Never has a chairman devoted the full weight of the committee’s resources to pursue a partisan investigation after being prompted by a presidential campaign,” protested Sen. Pat Leahy (Vt.).

“For the past two weeks, this committee has devoted countless hours to chase after a conspiracy theory,” said Sen. Mazie Hirono (Hawaii).
But Graham had none of it, delivering a jeremiad about Mueller, Christopher Steele and the dossier. “You are trying to stop me from doing something

I think the country needs to do, and I’m not going to be stopped,” he said. “It appears that you want to talk about everything except what we should be talking about.”

Right. A deadly pandemic, an economic collapse and a crisis of American justice. But what “the country needs” is to hear from Lisa Page and Peter Strzok.
 
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