Separating buds from stems for drying

raggyb

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I'm thinking of separating buds from stems when I harvest instead of hanging the whole plant to dry. Assuming the temp and humidity is in the good range, will this have any negative effect compared to drying them on the stems? I'm asking specifically about drying, not curing. Thanks!
 

twentyeight.threefive

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I'm thinking of separating buds from stems when I harvest instead of hanging the whole plant to dry. Assuming the temp and humidity is in the good range, will this have any negative effect compared to drying them on the stems? I'm asking specifically about drying, not curing. Thanks!
They will dry a lot faster that way. Would be beneficial if your drying environment temperature is higher than optimal.

Any specific reason you want to dry them that way?
 

Lowkeygardener

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couple things can happen if you do this... 1) it may speed up the drying process which in my opinion isn’t always good. A long dry and cure is key for a smoother smoke. 2) a lot of people use those stems as an indicator for when the switch from drying to curing, without the stems you can only rely on how the outside of the bud feels which can give you false info. 3) How do you plan on drying? I don’t like having them on any surface or touching anything as it increases the chance of mold and can deform the bud or lose trichs. I always try to handle it as little as possible to insure all that white goodness stays intact for as long as possible
 

EhCndGrower

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I take mine straight down to a bud form before freeze drying, but I did the same before that too. I took buds down and then placed them in a big paper bag and filled until roughly only the bottom of the bag was covered. Curled the top a few times and hung in my basement on a makeshift clothesline for 4-5days, jarred 2 days and paper bag dry again before jarred again
 

raggyb

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They will dry a lot faster that way. Would be beneficial if your drying environment temperature is higher than optimal.

Any specific reason you want to dry them that way?
my original reason was to take up less space. true that my temp may be too high. I did not think of that. if it is too hot it will probably remain so through my cure too, if that makes a difference.
 

raggyb

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If you take everything off the stem, it will dry a little quicker, which might not be what you want. I've used an herb drying rack sometimes.

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I have done this after 7-14 days hanging and then jarring and discovering they were still a little too moist. so took out of jars and did this. but i'm thinking of starting like this from day one and controlling the rh to 62% so they still dry slow. I think I'm concerned maybe somehow the stem regulates the sugars and chlors and stuff somehow so the bad stuff goes in the stem and not just in the air but idk.
 

Tracker

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I have done this after 7-14 days hanging and then jarring and discovering they were still a little too moist. so took out of jars and did this. but i'm thinking of starting like this from day one and controlling the rh to 62% so they still dry slow. I think I'm concerned maybe somehow the stem regulates the sugars and chlors and stuff somehow so the bad stuff goes in the stem and not just in the air but idk.
I don't know what role the stem plays in that regard. I use that rack when my hanging space gets all filled with tops, and I put the side buds on the rack.
 

raggyb

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couple things can happen if you do this... 1) it may speed up the drying process which in my opinion isn’t always good. A long dry and cure is key for a smoother smoke. 2) a lot of people use those stems as an indicator for when the switch from drying to curing, without the stems you can only rely on how the outside of the bud feels which can give you false info. 3) How do you plan on drying? I don’t like having them on any surface or touching anything as it increases the chance of mold and can deform the bud or lose trichs. I always try to handle it as little as possible to insure all that white goodness stays intact for as long as possible
hey thanks for another reply. I'm going to try and keep it slow by adding humidity to the air. I cant get the hang of guaging from the stem bend. I would take a sample of buds and close in a jar with hygrometer to see how close to cure range it is. I was going to have them in open bins and stir them a bit every day to prevent mold.
 

Tracker

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my original reason was to take up less space. true that my temp may be too high. I did not think of that. if it is too hot it will probably remain so through my cure too, if that makes a difference.
I think some of the essential compounds can evaporate off at warm temps. It'll lose some aroma and flavor if that's the case.
 

raggyb

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I take mine straight down to a bud form before freeze drying, but I did the same before that too. I took buds down and then placed them in a big paper bag and filled until roughly only the bottom of the bag was covered. Curled the top a few times and hung in my basement on a makeshift clothesline for 4-5days, jarred 2 days and paper bag dry again before jarred again
it dried in a closed paper bag pretty fast. My experience with paper bags seemed very slow. is it very dry where you are? So you have only ever taken it down to bud immediately, or have you been able to tell if it's just as good as hanging the plant?
 

raggyb

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I think some of the essential compounds can evaporate off at warm temps. It'll lose some aroma and flavor if that's the case.
yes I think so too. There's only so much I can do with Temps though. I'm not sure if terpene loss is worse when drying than it is when curing in the jars. So I was thinking if there was an advantage in that regard to drying fast then it might be cancelled by the curing process since that will be hot too, unless you lose less terps when curing than when drying which I have no idea.
 

EhCndGrower

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it dried in a closed paper bag pretty fast. My experience with paper bags seemed very slow. is it very dry where you are? So you have only ever taken it down to bud immediately, or have you been able to tell if it's just as good as hanging the plant?
I have a mixed bag of RH% for drying depending on the seasons. Minus the warmer months my basement stays relatively warm and dry for the cooler days. So no idea on hang drying the plant to dry as I had no dedicated area for them to dry and couldn’t leave outside tent to dry mainly because of the smell. The paper bag method at least kept some of that smell at bay for everyone else in the household. Freeze dryer is real quick solution but even after going in a paper bag to regain some moisture. The smell is really extreme and eventually becomes like a white noise for smell until I jar them up, but the FD has a nice ice ring inside and until that melts. That strong smell stays put but all that smell is eventually gone in like 8-10 hours
 

raggyb

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I have a mixed bag of RH% for drying depending on the seasons. Minus the warmer months my basement stays relatively warm and dry for the cooler days. So no idea on hang drying the plant to dry as I had no dedicated area for them to dry and couldn’t leave outside tent to dry mainly because of the smell. The paper bag method at least kept some of that smell at bay for everyone else in the household. Freeze dryer is real quick solution but even after going in a paper bag to regain some moisture. The smell is really extreme and eventually becomes like a white noise for smell until I jar them up, but the FD has a nice ice ring inside and until that melts. That strong smell stays put but all that smell is eventually gone in like 8-10 hours
hear you, the smell can be pretty inconvenient.
 

raggyb

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I guess the stems play no role in absorbing chlorophyll or making room for twerpenes to like get more deeply absorbed into the buds, and that stems only slow down drying, all other things being equal. I want to try it but it feels risky. I don't want to blow it with a nice crop. Like I say, I'll add humidity to compensate for the otherwise faster drying time. Any other opinions?
 
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