Should i harvest?

lime73

lime73

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What light you using? Led?
She seems stretched, too tall for your lights.

Edit you have a loop or scope to check trichomes with?
 
Doug Dawson

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They dont seem quite ready, pistols still reaching from what I can tell. Have you looked at trichomes? I would chop when you have 10 to 15 % Amber and rest milky. Trichomes will give you your best info.
 
ThatDude0323

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Like an idiot I tried getting away with buying a magnifying glass 10× from rite aid thinking it would work but barely magnifies the trichomes enough to see them but the ones I can see look clearish maybe milky and they have the mushroom heads kinda bending over but alot a them look to still be reaching and tiny but because I'm already a week almost 2 past what growers choice advised I started flushing ready is that a bad thing????

And as for lights I'm using vivosun 2ft t5 HO tube lights 4 of them on that fixture and then 4 more t5 HO full spectrum tube lights along with a 3ft LED strip light to change from blue for veg and reg for flower and 2 100 watt DIY LED Chip Lights( I know, WTF lol, my first grow and went with what I had around the house and bought a few items and it's worked great except for the REACHING) I recently bought a 600watt LED PHLZON that I'm going to use to replace the 2 100 watt DIY LED chip lights to cut the stretching down because I can adjust the height with that light where as the chip lights were fixed at 4ft high the hole grow haha

Have I started flushing to early????
 
ThatDude0323

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Doug Dawson said:
They dont seem quite ready, pistols still reaching from what I can tell. Have you looked at trichomes? I would chop when you have 10 to 15 % Amber and rest milky. Trichomes will give you your best info.
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Like an idiot I tried getting away with buying a magnifying glass 10× from rite aid thinking it would work but barely magnifies the trichomes enough to see them but the ones I can see look clearish maybe milky and they have the mushroom heads kinda bending over but alot a them look to still be reaching and tiny but because I'm already a week almost 2 past what growers choice advised I started flushing ready is that a bad thing????

And as for lights I'm using vivosun 2ft t5 HO tube lights 4 of them on that fixture and then 4 more t5 HO full spectrum tube lights along with a 3ft LED strip light to change from blue for veg and reg for flower and 2 100 watt DIY LED Chip Lights( I know, WTF lol, my first grow and went with what I had around the house and bought a few items and it's worked great except for the REACHING) I recently bought a 600watt LED PHLZON that I'm going to use to replace the 2 100 watt DIY LED chip lights to cut the stretching down because I can adjust the height with that light where as the chip lights were fixed at 4ft high the hole grow haha

Have I started flushing to early????
 
Doug Dawson

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There is great debate around the whole flush/no flush argument but if you are going to do it I would say yes it is early. If it were me I would get a usb microscope, they are very cheap and work well.
 
Skewbong

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Doug Dawson said:
There is great debate around the whole flush/no flush argument but if you are going to do it I would say yes it is early. If it were me I would get a usb microscope, they are very cheap and work well.
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Great point. Always debatable lol. I've done both, and I've found its more about curing properly. I do get a better finish if I flush, but its not a huge difference, but I don't max out my fertilizer potential, and I think that's where the debate may occur. If you're all organic or not pumping the fertilizer it won't make a difference. Peace.
 
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I agree. first grows are a great learning experience. I personally would just harvest now and start another run ASAP. She's not going to get any better or bigger at this point, and without using a loupe to check, the pistils look about 50-75% amber. Imo it's in the harvest window, and you really won't get much benefit by waiting say another week. The fact that you even finished says a lot, because you'd be surprised how many try their first time and don't even finish. You might Yield and ounce or 2 from the looks of it.

I'd start over with the new light as that surely is part of the core issue. It seems the stalk of the plant is extremely thin, and hence the resulting foliage emanating from it. You should never have to hold the main apex untopped stalk up with a yoyo or tie unless it is bearing a lots of weight from bud. I assume this is from the serious lack of light the plant wanted during flower. I've also seen stretching issues like this due to light leaks as well during the dark period. Also I'm curious, did you defoliate this plant at all? If you didn't, great. If you did, I'd hold off on any defoliation experiments until a couple more grows under your belt. You would had yielded even more had you not defoliated in this instance. If you didn't defoliate, then I'm pretty sure we're looking at just a light issue here.

As long as you didn't overfeed you shouldn't need to flush. However most people just give water the last week or 2 of flower depending on strain and that constitutes as a flush without having to think about "Do i flush?". If you didn't overfeed and are already giving just water week 8-9 then you don't need to worry about flushing imo. if you burnt her extra crispy and think it could be an artifact in the end product there are flushing agents that you can mix with water the last weeks of flower to make the roots leech even more nutrients out. Hope that helps.
 
ThatDude0323

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hiprophecies said:
I agree. first grows are a great learning experience. I personally would just harvest now and start another run ASAP. She's not going to get any better or bigger at this point, and without using a loupe to check, the pistils look about 50-75% amber. Imo it's in the harvest window, and you really won't get much benefit by waiting say another week. The fact that you even finished says a lot, because you'd be surprised how many try their first time and don't even finish. You might Yield and ounce or 2 from the looks of it.

I'd start over with the new light as that surely is part of the core issue. It seems the stalk of the plant is extremely thin, and hence the resulting foliage emanating from it. You should never have to hold the main apex untopped stalk up with a yoyo or tie unless it is bearing a lots of weight from bud. I assume this is from the serious lack of light the plant wanted during flower. I've also seen stretching issues like this due to light leaks as well during the dark period. Also I'm curious, did you defoliate this plant at all? If you didn't, great. If you did, I'd hold off on any defoliation experiments until a couple more grows under your belt. You would had yielded even more had you not defoliated in this instance. If you didn't defoliate, then I'm pretty sure we're looking at just a light issue here.

As long as you didn't overfeed you shouldn't need to flush. However most people just give water the last week or 2 of flower depending on strain and that constitutes as a flush without having to think about "Do i flush?". If you didn't overfeed and are already giving just water week 8-9 then you don't need to worry about flushing imo. if you burnt her extra crispy and think it could be an artifact in the end product there are flushing agents that you can mix with water the last weeks of flower to make the roots leech even more nutrients out. Hope that helps.
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Thanx this has helped alot and yes I knew the stretching was an issue right off the bat but had to use what I had and it was fixed at 4ft haha never do that again lol, and I used fox farm nuts. Never over fed or watered she grew great besides the stretching no issues at all ever and No I did not defoliate it at all was wondering if I should have or not but I didnt, this strain was Gorilla Glue #4 from growers choice, and I've already started another grow this time 2 instead of 1, ive started another Gorilla Glue #4 and a Great White Shark and both seem to be doing great as of now you tell me.....????? Great white shark is under a 300watt LED Bulb with a 75watt Led Fullspecteum flood and the Gorilla Glue #4 is under the PHLIZON 600watt LED Full Spectrum both with a 4ft t5 LED HO behind them.


And as for this grow YES the pistols are all about 75%-80% amber so chop her down and harvest her?
 

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Thundercat

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ThatDude0323 said:
Thanx this has helped alot and yes I knew the stretching was an issue right off the bat but had to use what I had and it was fixed at 4ft haha never do that again lol, and I used fox farm nuts. Never over fed or watered she grew great besides the stretching no issues at all ever and No I did not defoliate it at all was wondering if I should have or not but I didnt, this strain was Gorilla Glue #4 from growers choice, and I've already started another grow this time 2 instead of 1, ive started another Gorilla Glue #4 and a Great White Shark and both seem to be doing great as of now you tell me.....????? Great white shark is under a 300watt LED Bulb with a 75watt Led Fullspecteum flood and the Gorilla Glue #4 is under the PHLIZON 600watt LED Full Spectrum both with a 4ft t5 LED HO behind them.


And as for this grow YES the pistols are all about 75%-80% amber so chop her down and harvest her?
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That plant needs multiple weeks still, 3ish. The stigma turning reddish is the first sign of maturity, but the plant isn’t done growing yet. After the stigma turn reddish and start this shrink the plant still needs to swell up internally and ripen. That typically takes 1-3 weeks from the point AFTER the stigma recede. Chopping plants early will reduce yields, and quality.

You will not over ripen the plant it doesn’t happen.
 
ThatDude0323

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Thundercat said:
That plant needs multiple weeks still, 3ish. The stigma turning reddish is the first sign of maturity, but the plant isn’t done growing yet. After the stigma turn reddish and start this shrink the plant still needs to swell up internally and ripen. That typically takes 1-3 weeks from the point AFTER the stigma recede. Chopping plants early will reduce yields, and quality.

You will not over ripen the plant it doesn’t happen.
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There NOT just turning reddish as I posted before and replied to others the Pistils are all I wanna say about 75% red maybe more except the very very bottom nugs that are still white from my top cola down 80% of the plants the pistols are all about 75% red so now your confusing me big time because I've also read from other that have seen this pictures that it's almost ready if not time to chip her down and harvest due to the stretching I wont yield much more then I have and she wont fatten up much more either so might as well harvest and focus on my other grows, what do you think? Because as of last night I told myself I was going to wait another week before harvesting because of all the lower nugs that are covered in white not red hairs but before that I was ready to chop her down this morning, WHAT DO YALL THINK?
 
Doug Dawson

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ThatDude0323 said:
There NOT just turning reddish as I posted before and replied to others the Pistils are all I wanna say about 75% red maybe more except the very very bottom nugs that are still white from my top cola down 80% of the plants the pistols are all about 75% red so now your confusing me big time because I've also read from other that have seen this pictures that it's almost ready if not time to chip her down and harvest due to the stretching I wont yield much more then I have and she wont fatten up much more either so might as well harvest and focus on my other grows, what do you think? Because as of last night I told myself I was going to wait another week before harvesting because of all the lower nugs that are covered in white not red hairs but before that I was ready to chop her down this morning, WHAT DO YALL THINK?
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I think the pistols are a great way to determine when to start looking at the tricomes which are the best way to tell it is time to harvest in my opinion. When you get 10 to 15 % amber tricomes you chop. If you take a plant down too early you will not get the THC development you are looking for. While the plant may not put on much weight for me I would want to allow whatever I was going to yield to be the best it can be. That's just my opinion though.
 
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ThatDude0323 said:
Thanx this has helped alot and yes I knew the stretching was an issue right off the bat but had to use what I had and it was fixed at 4ft haha never do that again lol, and I used fox farm nuts. Never over fed or watered she grew great besides the stretching no issues at all ever and No I did not defoliate it at all was wondering if I should have or not but I didnt, this strain was Gorilla Glue #4 from growers choice, and I've already started another grow this time 2 instead of 1, ive started another Gorilla Glue #4 and a Great White Shark and both seem to be doing great as of now you tell me.....????? Great white shark is under a 300watt LED Bulb with a 75watt Led Fullspecteum flood and the Gorilla Glue #4 is under the PHLIZON 600watt LED Full Spectrum both with a 4ft t5 LED HO behind them.


And as for this grow YES the pistols are all about 75%-80% amber so chop her down and harvest her?
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Yes I would harvest the top half for sure. The guy above me saying it's going to reduce yields and quality doesn't understand that this particular plant isn't going to yield anymore or get better in its current state. He thinks in 2 or 3 weeks, way more weight in the bud is suddenly going to magically appear and get better on this plant which is a lie. In a normal situation where the plant has a normal mature stalk structure and many ounces if not pounds growing at stake with lots more $$ on the line, then one would buy a real loupe to check the trichromes for their desired effect, milky to cloudy to amber so all debates like this would be solved instantaneously. As it stands with this plant, I'd stop wasting my time and chop the top half for sure.

One option is if the bottom buds are showing more white hairs than amber still (this is typical), is that you can chop the top, and move the light down to the same range the tops were, to let the bottom go for another few days to a week to ripen the bottoms up. Harvesting in stages is not uncommon.

I would say the most valuable thing in this whole process is time. If you have no other plants ready to go in the flower room/light (or have no bud to smoke), I would chop the tops, and leaving the bottoms going a few days to a week more, since you lose no time in your next flower. If you have a nice healthy plant with lots of tops already on deck ready to go into flower, then chop it all and put the healthy veg plant into flower. The idea being you'll end up with more yield in the long run with a healthy plant placed in flower now, then waiting a week or 2 later for the current skinny plant to provide any extra weight or benefit. Hope that helps.
 
Thundercat

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ThatDude0323 said:
There NOT just turning reddish as I posted before and replied to others the Pistils are all I wanna say about 75% red maybe more except the very very bottom nugs that are still white from my top cola down 80% of the plants the pistols are all about 75% red so now your confusing me big time because I've also read from other that have seen this pictures that it's almost ready if not time to chip her down and harvest due to the stretching I wont yield much more then I have and she wont fatten up much more either so might as well harvest and focus on my other grows, what do you think? Because as of last night I told myself I was going to wait another week before harvesting because of all the lower nugs that are covered in white not red hairs but before that I was ready to chop her down this morning, WHAT DO YALL THINK?
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I gave my advice based on my experience having grown 1000s of plants in the last 15 years. I’ve observed the maturation process that most cannabis plants follow. You are welcome to listen to whatever advice you’d like. However it’s a known fact that most new growers and even many veteran growers harvest plants too early before they actually reach their full potential. Sometimes these growers don’t even know they have done it because they never grow the same plant again to be able to grow it better.
 
Skewbong

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LinguaPeel said:
Yes it will. No debate. Flushers simply don't communicate with non flushers because they're a different species.
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That's a good point. Ignorance on my behalf. I guess I never really thought of the really good organic farmers that can still pump the nutes. Salts are salts? I figured the natural stuff would just buffer naturally, better. I guess the plants main goal is to survive, and isn't concerned about how it will do when its incinerated later, lol. Thanks for checking me bud...sincere, not sarcastic!
 
Budzbuddha

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ThatDude0323 said:
There NOT just turning reddish as I posted before and replied to others the Pistils are all I wanna say about 75% red maybe more except the very very bottom nugs that are still white from my top cola down 80% of the plants the pistols are all about 75% red so now your confusing me big time because I've also read from other that have seen this pictures that it's almost ready if not time to chip her down and harvest due to the stretching I wont yield much more then I have and she wont fatten up much more either so might as well harvest and focus on my other grows, what do you think? Because as of last night I told myself I was going to wait another week before harvesting because of all the lower nugs that are covered in white not red hairs but before that I was ready to chop her down this morning, WHAT DO YALL THINK?
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you are nowhere finished as stated by @Thundercat , flowers are underdeveloped and show many immature pistils.
Disregard the breeders time and your own counting , that plant has sativa dominance and that alone takes a longer flower.
Stop flushing and feed it for at least another couple of weeks.
 
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hiprophecies

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I was just trying to be nice, but your plant is dead.

This is one of the tiniest dead flower plants I've seen in a while. There's nothing left for it to grow. Are you going to put it out of its misery?
 
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