Sinema Leaves Democratic Party

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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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xtsho said:
The Left: We can be racist we just can't show it publicly.

The Right. We can be racist and we don't care who knows.



I thought you were smarter than that. That's a well known scandal that was reported on just about every news outlet including MSNBC. As far as FOX, if you understood how television works you would know that local stations can be FOX and have nothing to do with FOX news or FOX news views. You can't dispute the facts so you go to plan B and try and discredit the messenger.

Does NBC pass your credibility test? Do any of these? Or are you going to just stick your head back in the sand and claim it's not true or didn't happen?


How about CBS


What about the Associated Press?


Democracy Now?

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you just make me sad...you're not an idiot, but you keep refusing to see the truth.
some republicans aren't horrible people, but most are...most democrats aren't horrible people, but some are...see the difference? there are some bad democrats...but as far as i can tell, they outweigh the bad by at least a 70/30 split, while the republicans are not even the opposite, as far as i can tell, maybe, MAYBE 10% of republicans are decent people, and the other 90 shouldn't be pissed on if they were on fire.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
you just make me sad...you're not an idiot, but you keep refusing to see the truth.
some republicans aren't horrible people, but most are...most democrats aren't horrible people, but some are...see the difference? there are some bad democrats...but as far as i can tell, they outweigh the bad by at least a 70/30 split, while the republicans are not even the opposite, as far as i can tell, maybe, MAYBE 10% of republicans are decent people, and the other 90 shouldn't be pissed on if they were on fire.
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I disagree with your numbers. Where did they come from? Thin air isn't a reliable source.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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xtsho said:
The Left: We can be racist we just can't show it publicly.

The Right. We can be racist and we don't care who knows.



I thought you were smarter than that. That's a well known scandal that was reported on just about every news outlet including MSNBC. As far as FOX, if you understood how television works you would know that local stations can be FOX and have nothing to do with FOX news or FOX news views. You can't dispute the facts so you go to plan B and try and discredit the messenger.

Does NBC pass your credibility test? Do any of these? Or are you going to just stick your head back in the sand and claim it's not true or didn't happen?


How about CBS


What about the Associated Press?


Democracy Now?

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It’s still city council. How about US legislators? Dozens of Republicans test positive for one or more of the three categories I’ve put up. There are tens of thousands of city council people all over US. You had to dig a ways for that example. Got any CA or NY state legislators doing something equivalent?

Also, no vids. (I think I mentioned that already.) Link to text journalism from a respected outlet is the minimum.
 
tangerinegreen555

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xtsho said:
The Left: We can be racist we just can't show it publicly.

The Right. We can be racist and we don't care who knows.



I thought you were smarter than that. That's a well known scandal that was reported on just about every news outlet including MSNBC. As far as FOX, if you understood how television works you would know that local stations can be FOX and have nothing to do with FOX news or FOX news views. You can't dispute the facts so you go to plan B and try and discredit the messenger.

Does NBC pass your credibility test? Do any of these? Or are you going to just stick your head back in the sand and claim it's not true or didn't happen?


How about CBS


What about the Associated Press?


Democracy Now?

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That's a local problem there in LA. How the hell does that translate to Washington, DC exactly?

DC is supposed to be the shining example on the hill. You can't make an equivalence to a town council and thus claim Democrats are racists. That just seems a bit of a reach to me.

Of course there are local yokel racists. I'll bet she doesn't win another election.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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tangerinegreen555 said:
That's a local problem there in LA. How the hell does that translate to Washington, DC exactly?

DC is supposed to be the shining example on the hill. You can't make an equivalence to a town council and thus claim Democrats are racists. That just seems a bit of a reach to me.

Of course there are local yokel racists. I'll bet she doesn't win another election.
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I thought someone was talking about Democrats. It's hard to keep up when people keep moving the goal posts.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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tangerinegreen555 said:
That's a local problem there in LA. How the hell does that translate to Washington, DC exactly?

DC is supposed to be the shining example on the hill. You can't make an equivalence to a town council and thus claim Democrats are racists. That just seems a bit of a reach to me.

Of course there are local yokel racists. I'll bet she doesn't win another election.
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What the hell does Washington DC have to do with anything. Someone said show me racism in the Democrats. I did.

The post I was replying to:

"Show me one (1):

insurrectionist
racist
dominionist

in the Democrats."
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
you just make me sad...you're not an idiot, but you keep refusing to see the truth.
some republicans aren't horrible people, but most are...most democrats aren't horrible people, but some are...see the difference? there are some bad democrats...but as far as i can tell, they outweigh the bad by at least a 70/30 split, while the republicans are not even the opposite, as far as i can tell, maybe, MAYBE 10% of republicans are decent people, and the other 90 shouldn't be pissed on if they were on fire.
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Don't be sad because I might disagree. I'm definitely not an idiot. I'm very intelligent. Some of the most intelligent minds disagree on things. If people agreed on everything nobody would think for themselves.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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xtsho said:
What the hell does Washington DC have to do with anything. Someone said show me racism in the Democrats. I did.

The post I was replying to:

"Show me one (1):

insurrectionist
racist
dominionist

in the Democrats."
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Using a deliberately catch-all definition is disingenuous. If necessary, let me rephrase to the narrower and more relevant category I defined above. Post 89.

Also, one city councilman saying one offensive thing does not establish a pattern. The insistence on the technical in your argument puts its weakness on display. This thread is about a national-level legislator after all.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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xtsho said:
Don't be sad because I might disagree. I'm definitely not an idiot. I'm very intelligent. Some of the most intelligent minds disagree on things. If people agreed on everything nobody would think for themselves.
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You seem to overlook a lot of things the republicans did and supported, or remained silent about, both sides are not the same, not anymore. The base of one party is driven by hate filled assholes and they select the candidates and must be pandered to or conned. They not only support, but actively try to have minority rule in America, whether by the legislature or by corrupting the courts, just look at the latest SCOTUS fiasco as but one example. If they can't steal it, they will use violence as on J6 and failed to impeach Trump over it too. They are openly racist and welcome them in their ranks, despite their rare public mealy-mouthed pronouncements. They are the only pro-Russian party in America, or one segment is while the rest tolerate it. Many of them appear to be at war with America or at least some Americans that they give various labels to. For many sticking their thumb in Uncle Sam's eye and grinding it in real good seems to be a preoccupation.
 
PJ Diaz

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cannabineer said:
That is classic and obvious loaded-question fallacy. What I am maintaining is that one side plainly has a much more fraught record than the other. You cannot contradict it with examples, so you resort to some jaw-dropping miscarriages of logic. Like the one Tang’ is dismantling.
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I never suggested that I would try to contradict post 22, what I said is that I could play a similar game with Democrats, since post 22 is in response to another post which describes how "politics have become extreme on both sides". My point was that I could easily point to some left-wing extremism from Democrats, but that doesn't somehow mean that all Democrats share the same extremist values, which is what you implied towards Republicans in your infamous post 22.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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PJ Diaz said:
I never suggested that I would try to contradict post 22, what I said is that I could play a similar game with Democrats, since post 22 is in response to another post which describes how "politics have become extreme on both sides". My point was that I could easily point to some left-wing extremism from Democrats, but that doesn't somehow mean that all Democrats share the same extremist values, which is what you implied towards Republicans in your infamous post 22.
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And I’ve been saying ok; do so.
 
xtsho

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DIY-HP-LED said:
You seem to overlook a lot of things the republicans did and supported, or remained silent about, both sides are not the same, not anymore. The base of one party is driven by hate filled assholes and they select the candidates and must be pandered to or conned. They not only support, but actively try to have minority rule in America, whether by the legislature or by corrupting the courts, just look at the latest SCOTUS fiasco as but one example. If they can't steal it, they will use violence as on J6 and failed to impeach Trump over it too. They are openly racist and welcome them in their ranks, despite their rare public mealy-mouthed pronouncements. They are the only pro-Russian party in America, or one segment is while the rest tolerate it. Many of them appear to be at war with America or at least some Americans that they give various labels to. For many sticking their thumb in Uncle Sam's eye and grinding it in real good seems to be a preoccupation.
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I don't overlook anything. I'm not praising Republicans. I could care less if they're more openly racist. The fact is that racism exists in the Democratic party. You might want to ignore it because as you say Republicans welcome them with open arms. So what. At least they're honest about it. I value honesty. At least you know where they stand.

Sinema isn't the only Democrat out there that's fooled the Democrats. Lots of self serving turncoats in their ranks. Take Joe Lieberman as another example. They're not racist but they were Democrats until they weren't. Now they're made out to be the devil by the hard core base despite supporting the vast majority of the liberal agenda. Yes I said agenda. Most politicians are one decision away from being a friend to becoming a foe. Hell trump was a Democrat before he wasn't. You can't trust most of these clowns. They're all in it for themselves.

Sinema's votes have been 85% with the Democrat agenda in 2022. At least she probably knows what she's voting on instead of the lemmings that just vote party line no matter what because that's what leadership tells them to do. I value independence. She's also in a state that isn't as blue as some of you seem to think. You're all celebrating flipping Arizona blue but that didn't happen and you'll find that out in 2024.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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xtsho said:
I don't overlook anything. I'm not praising Republicans. I could care less if they're more openly racist. The fact is that racism exists in the Democratic party. You might want to ignore it because as you say Republicans welcome them with open arms. So what. At least they're honest about it. I value honesty. At least you know where they stand.
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Where they stand is in a dark place, people aren't perfect, but they should at least make an effort to be human

xtsho said:
Take Joe Lieberman as another example. They're not racist but they were Democrats until they weren't. Now they're made out to be the devil by the hard core base despite supporting the vast majority of the liberal agenda. Yes I said agenda. Most politicians are one decision away from being a friend to becoming a foe. Hell trump was a Democrat before he wasn't. You can't trust most of these clowns. They're all in it for themselves.
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Lieberman has not been in the senate for a long time. Trump was a psychopath before he was anything else, it was only when he was more open about it that the republicans and America's moral failures embraced him for it.
xtsho said:
Sinema's votes have been 85% with the Democrat agenda in 2022. At least she probably knows what she's voting on instead of the lemmings that just vote party line no matter what because that's what leadership tells them to do. I value independence. She's also in a state that isn't as blue as some of you seem to think. You're all celebrating flipping Arizona blue but that didn't happen and you'll find that out in 2024.
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Your state your choice and I don't buy her independence line, not with her track record, BTW Sen. Mark Kelly is from there too.
 
Fogdog

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xtsho said:
There are more people that identify as Independent than either Democrat or Republican. It's been that way for years. And yes people are sick of both sides. The only people that don't understand that are those that are stuck on one side in an echo chamber so they think everyone is the same as they are. Politics have become extreme on both sides.
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The political center in the US would be considered right wing moderate conservative in most places that have a democratic system. More like Tories in the UK than anything like what you characterize it.

You support the status quo and resist change. You are conservative, not centrist and offer no ideas to address the problems we face today.

I'm not saying you are wrong in saying that a large contingent in this country (and in Oregon) are conservative. I'm saying that doesn't matter to people who want to see us make progress on issues like homelessness, food insecurity, police brutality and the environment. Conservatives are in the way of progress and must be ignored by people who are progressive. Sure, it's politically risky to push a progressive agenda in a place like Oregon that has so many conservatives but why would people who want things to get better advocate against that?
 
Rob Roy

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cannabineer said:
now where have I heard something like that before?

… oh right.

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I don't know why but Tulsi's face makes me think of a drywall job that got mudded and sanded, but not sanded very well, like it's gonna need another coat of mud and more sanding.

I mean she's nice looking and everything, but she really should do a better job puttying up the cracks.

Okay, back to the regularly scheduled "tastes great / less filling" shouting fest.
 
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