So much bad advice, who can give rep

303

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So many people on this forum, some that know, most do not. MODS can we change rep to where rep only comes from people that know what the fuck they're talking about? Like rep can only be given to others that were given rep by mods or "elite" members. Some the "elites" are even giving bad advice. Can we tighten this forum? Not saying I'm close to knowing even a quarter of what advanced growers such as UB or RiddleM3 post him having his own cult/forum.... please.. Can we have some decent rep ratings? Elect someone to do it, I'd be so happy. Another respected member that I have everything to thank for is homebrewer, although he'd never do it but someone to this stature. thanks. riu
 

Bwpz

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So let me guess, you're talking about me?

He's referring to me saying to use a milk/water concentrate to fix Powdery Mildew, which is a proven method...
 

Total Head

Well-Known Member
the problem with the op's suggestion is covered in his own post. even "respected members" say things that others might not agree with. the whole thing is subjective and rep is meaningless. i think everyone's obssession with rep is why there is so much bad advice in the first place. as if a new member doesn't have something meaningful to contribute just because he only has 50 posts. if people would stop checking rep bars and post counts and actually read the threads the whole thing would be a non issue.
 

Grumpy'

Active Member
That's why rep and post count doesn't mean squat. The information people give is what counts. Nobody should ever act on a persons suggestions till they get it verified anyways.
 

Carne Seca

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You folks sure pick some strange issues to be pissed about. Rep has nothing to do with how well you grow or how much knowledge you have. It's a fucking popularity contest. Nothing more. It's your choice to take advice from people on this board. With that choice you have to deal with the consequences. If you really have an issue with false or bad information then do us all a favor and research it yourself instead of badmouthing people that are actually trying to help.

Using Milk To Control Powdery Mildew
 

Sr. Verde

Well-Known Member
So many people on this forum, some that know, most do not. MODS can we change rep to where rep only comes from people that know what the fuck they're talking about? Like rep can only be given to others that were given rep by mods or "elite" members. Some the "elites" are even giving bad advice. Can we tighten this forum? Not saying I'm close to knowing even a quarter of what advanced growers such as UB or RiddleM3 post him having his own cult/forum.... please.. Can we have some decent rep ratings? Elect someone to do it, I'd be so happy. Another respected member that I have everything to thank for is homebrewer, although he'd never do it but someone to this stature. thanks. riu



fuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkk thattt.....

the system is perfect.

the amount of rep you give depends on how much rep you have

So the people who have lots of REP give lots of REP..... so the "elite"/oldheads are the ones who have been here for years influence another persons rep the most... and so on..

then johnny 9 posts doesn't dish out any rep until he has like a few hundred points himself...


so a person who wanders here from middle school doesn't effect anything, where the people who have been posting grow pics for years effect EVERYTHING.
 

Bwpz

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micro nutrients in the molasses is what is beneficial, not the actual sugar cane flavor.
I know...I've always said it was because the micronutes. The plant can't absorb flavor :P If so, I'm sure people would be adding more than Molasses xD
 

Carne Seca

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I know...I've always said it was because the micronutes. The plant can't absorb flavor :P If so, I'm sure people would be adding more than Molasses xD
Unfortunately, people have tried. Over the years I've seen people post about gatorade, kool-aid, sugar water, citrus (oranges, lemons, grapefruit), and many others.
 

Bwpz

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, people have tried. Over the years I've seen people post about gatorade, kool-aid, sugar water, citrus (oranges, lemons, grapefruit), and many others.
Yeah I've seen a few about the electrolytes in gatorade, but the salt content would be too harsh...
 

303

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OKay, so you guys suggest me adding molasses in my resivoir to encourage beneficial bacterica? Enlighten me, please... None on the info given this thread gives me any kind of information backing these insane motives. Seriously, can someone break it down? I am open to this, I'll buy molasses tomorrow if there was any factual info other than a ghetto google link from 2001?
 

Bwpz

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Jorge Cervantes - "Molasses will raise the energy level of the plant and acts as a mild natural fungicide. Molasses is the secret ingredient in many organic fertilizers." You need to do some research man...there's a search feature up top. I never said add molasses to your reservoir. As I've said multiple times, I'm organic in soil...
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
troll thread. in before the bin... ahem... trash.

YES PLANTS CAN ABSORB NUTRITION DIRECTLY FROM MOLASSES. YES MOLASSES FEEDS SOIL LIFE. YES MILK CAN KILL PM VIA pH. end thread.
 

Bwpz

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troll thread. in before the bin... ahem... trash.

YES PLANTS CAN ABSORB NUTRITION DIRECTLY FROM MOLASSES. YES MOLASSES FEEDS SOIL LIFE. YES MILK CAN KILL PM VIA pH. end thread.
I'mma go ahead and quote it, so he can read it twice.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Done and Done. Rize up!


Molasses

Molasses is a syrupy, thick juice created by the processing of either sugar beets or the sugar cane plant. Depending on the definition used, Sweet Sorghum also qualifies as a molasses, although technically it’s a thickened syrup more akin to Maple Syrup than to molasses. The grade and type of molasses depends on the maturity of the sugar cane or beet and the method of extraction. The different molasses’ have names like: first molasses, second molasses, unsulphured molasses, sulphured molasses, and blackstrap molasses. For gardeners the sweet syrup can work as a carbohydrate source to feed and stimulate microorganisms. And, because molasses (average NPK 1-0-5) contains potash, sulfur, and many trace minerals, it can serve as a nutritious soil amendment. Molasses is also an excellent chelating agent

Several grades and types of molasses are produced by sugar cane processing. First the plants are harvested and stripped of their leaves, and then the sugar cane is usually crushed or mashed to extract it’s sugary juice. Sugar manufacturing begins by boiling cane juice until it reaches the proper consistency, it is then processed to extract sugar. This first boiling and processing produces what is called first molasses, this has the highest sugar content of the molasses because relatively little sugar has been extracted from the juice. Green (unripe) sugar cane that has been treated with sulphur fumes during sugar extraction produces sulphured molasses. The juice of sun-ripened cane which has been clarified and concentrated produces unsulphured molasses. Another boiling and sugar extraction produces second molasses which has a slight bitter tinge to its taste.

Further rounds of processing and boiling yield dark colored blackstrap molasses, which is the most nutritionally valuable of the various types of molasses. It is commonly used as a sweetner in the manufacture of cattle and other animal feeds, and is even sold as a human health supplement. Any kind of molasses will work to provide benefit for soil and growing plants, but blackstrap molasses is the best choice because it contains the greatest concentration of sulfur, iron and micronutrients from the original cane material. Dry molasses is something different still. It’s not exactly just dried molasses either, it’s molasses sprayed on grain residue which acts as a “carrier”.

wholesome sweeteners organic molasses
per 1 tablespoon/22 g, in 1 gallon of water/3.785 liters:

potassium: 730 mg/~20% of 3500 mg dv for k/730/3.785=192.86 ppm

calcium: 115 mg/~10% of 1000 mg dv for ca/115/3.785=30.38 ppm

magnesium: 8% of 400 mg dv for mg/.08*400=32/3.785=8.4 ppm

iron: 15% of 18 mg dv for fe/.15*18=2.7/3.785=0.71 ppm

vitamin b6: 10% of 2.0 mg dv for vit b6/2*.1=.2/3.785=.05 ppm

sugars: 10g

total carbohydrates: 14g

In addition to sugars, molasses contains significant amounts of potash, sulfur, and a variety of micronutrients. Because molasses is derived from plants, and because the manufacturing processes that create it remove mostly sugars, the majority of the mineral nutrients that were contained in the original sugar cane or sugar beet are still present in molasses. This is a critical factor because a balanced supply of mineral nutrients is essential for those “beneficial beasties” to survive and thrive. That’s one of the secrets we’ve discovered to really successful organic gardening, the micronutrients found in organic amendments like molasses, kelp, and alfalfa were all derived from other plant sources and are quickly and easily available to our soil and plants. This is especially important for the soil “micro-herd” of critters who depend on tiny amounts of those trace minerals as catalysts to make the enzymes that create biochemical transformations. That last sentence was our fancy way of saying - it’s actually the critters in “live soil” that break down organic fertilizers and “feed” it to our plants.

“Micronutrients occur, in cells as well as in soil, as part of large, complex organic molecules in chelated form. The word chelate (pronounced “KEE-late”) comes from the Greek word for “claw,” which indicates how a single nutrient ion is held in the center of the larger molecule. The finely balanced interactions between micronutrients are complex and not fully understood. We do know that balance is crucial; any micronutrient, when present in excessive amounts, will become a poison, and certain poisonous elements, such as chlorine are also essential micronutrients.

For this reason natural, organic sources of micronutrients are the best means of supplying them to the soil; they are present in balanced quantities and not liable to be over applied through error or ignorance. When used in naturally chelated form, excess micronutrients will be locked up and prevented from disrupting soil balance.”

Excerpted from “The Soul of Soil”
by Grace Gershuny and Joe Smillie

lucas formula : 100:100:200:60

Fat - 0g, 0%;
Sodium - 65mg. 3%;
Potassium - 800 mg. 23%;
Total Carbohydrates - 13g, 4%;
Sugars - 12g,
Protein - 1g,
Calcium - 2%;
Iron 10%;
Magnesium 15%

At Publix or Kroger you get
Gramdma's unsulfured
60 calories
Sodium 15mg
Potassium 150
Carbohydrate 15g
Sugars 10g
Calcium 4%
Iron 4%

Tree of Life
Unsulfured Blackstrap Molasses
45 calories
Sodium 15mg
Potassium 500mg
Carbohydrates 11g
Sugar 8g
Calcium 15%
Iron 20%
Magnesium 10%
---rize up!
I could go all day but this is the wrong place.
 

DarthD3vl

Well-Known Member
OKay, so you guys suggest me adding molasses in my resivoir to encourage beneficial bacterica? Enlighten me, please... None on the info given this thread gives me any kind of information backing these insane motives. Seriously, can someone break it down? I am open to this, I'll buy molasses tomorrow if there was any factual info other than a ghetto google link from 2001?
as far as I know, molasses is only good for feeding microbes in organic soil, if your using non organic nutes, or hydro, its worthless.

but i kow nothing about plants i got my rep cause starwars is the shit!
 

303

Well-Known Member
troll thread. in before the bin... ahem... trash.

YES PLANTS CAN ABSORB NUTRITION DIRECTLY FROM MOLASSES. YES MOLASSES FEEDS SOIL LIFE. YES MILK CAN KILL PM VIA pH. end thread.
Who are you Matt Rize? Calling me a troll first, I said adding to my res (hydro), second milk CAN kill PM, ok yeah like saying lemon juice ph downs water, what a fucken genius. End your life
 
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