Trimming and scrogging short (assuming indica heavy) strain

Stomate

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Just wondering if anyone has any tips on trimming up the bottoms of the plants and then scrogging? These (from my limited knowledge) appear to be more indica given how they’re growing.
I have one too off left of veg nutrients and will then be flipping to flower
 

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Star Dog

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I would top them or tie down the tops with some lst to open them up and level the canopy, after flipping I'd give them 10/12 days then put my screen/net over them to flower you can net/screen them right away if you want I just prefer to wait.

I'd have prepared them before this point but that's not a problem but for future it's worth a bit of planning.
 

Stomate

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I would top them or tie down the tops with some lst to open them up and level the canopy, after flipping I'd give them 10/12 days then put my screen/net over them to flower you can net/screen them right away if you want I just prefer to wait.

I'd have prepared them before this point but that's not a problem but for future it's worth a bit of planning.
I actually have been doing some lst and have topped but they never really spread like I wanted them to. Just sort of kept reverting back to looking like a dense bush.
 

Boatguy

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Just wondering if anyone has any tips on trimming up the bottoms of the plants and then scrogging? These (from my limited knowledge) appear to be more indica given how they’re growing.
I have one too off left of veg nutrients and will then be flipping to flower
You will want to continue veg nutes for a few weeks after the flip. Its not flowering just because the light cycle was changed.
 

Stomate

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You will want to continue veg nutes for a few weeks after the flip. Its not flowering just because the light cycle was changed.
That’s a bummer since I’m out… I’m using Floraflex dry nutes and had planned on going by the schedule; though I’m basically cutting the amount of nutes in half. I would have plenty left right now if I didn’t kill my first round and adjusted twice on the current due to feeding to heavily and had to dilute
 

Johiem

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Just did once again and got rid of some of the fan leaves. Part of the problem is that they’re pretty damn stiff. Suppose I could try super cropping but I’m weary. I fucked up enough things already earlier on haha. Basically just honing out the system
Have you heard of "Kushman Chiropractics"?
Twist the branch in question in opposite directions at each internode until you either hear a "pop" or reach 180° rotation. This will damage the capillaries inside making the branch more flexible without breaking the branch completely.
 

Stomate

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Have you heard of "Kushman Chiropractics"?
Twist the branch in question in opposite directions at each internode until you either hear a "pop" or reach 180° rotation. This will damage the capillaries inside making the branch more flexible without breaking the branch completely.
That’s basically super cropping right?
 

RIS

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I’m just getting into lst and scrog techniques. I’m following this thread.
 

Stomate

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Yes basically it's the same thing less damage, check the last picture in my link they've been twisted back and forth to the soften the stem before going under the net.
Alright maybe I’ll give that a try. Thanks man
Yes basically it's the same thing less damage, check the last picture in my link they've been twisted back and forth to the soften the stem before going under the net.
suppose I will also run into a very uneven canopy for a quarter of the tent once the stretch starts getting underway. The forward left plant is a gelato strain and the other three are zkittles ( all free seeds ). In hindsight I probably shouldn’t have mixed.
 

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Drop That Sound

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Adding silicates to your nutrient regimen helps prepare them for higher stress training. Less chance of snapping a branch when your putting 90's on them. Make the plants do what you want, and they will respect you more ;)

I like to clone the whole top center area of a bushy plant with air layers, and bunch it up like a pony tail while they root. Keep the lights on while you do it. In 2 weeks when you cut them all away, you have like a perfectly flat hedged\trimmed bush that is flush to drop the scrog net on, and ready to flower. You also will have huge clones you just took that will be more than ready to replace the current plants when they are finished, making it a good technique for a perpetual style grow..
 

TrichDaddy

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I've found indicas are no fun to scrog. They're just not the genetics you want for that situation. It takes so long to fill the screen and that was a waste because every square then has 3 or 4 budsites where there's only space for one bud. Just too thick and stubby. Damn nice smoke though. :blsmoke:
 

Stomate

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Adding silicates to your nutrient regimen helps prepare them for higher stress training. Less chance of snapping a branch when your putting 90's on them. Make the plants do what you want, and they will respect you more ;)

I like to clone the whole top center area of a bushy plant with air layers, and bunch it up like a pony tail while they root. Keep the lights on while you do it. In 2 weeks when you cut them all away, you have like a perfectly flat hedged\trimmed bush that is flush to drop the scrog net on, and ready to flower. You also will have huge clones you just took that will be more than ready to replace the current plants when they are finished, making it a good technique for a perpetual style grow..
I have been adding silica blast though they still snap fairly easily.
im not sure what you mean by “ clone the whole top area of a bushy plant with air layers”?
 

Stomate

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I've found indicas are no fun to scrog. They're just not the genetics you want for that situation. It takes so long to fill the screen and that was a waste because every square then has 3 or 4 budsites where there's only space for one bud. Just too thick and stubby. Damn nice smoke though. :blsmoke:
This is exactly what I’m finding…
 

Drop That Sound

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^ Like this post I just made on another thread talking about air layering.

Basically you would be turning the main branch or branches (upper 1/3 of the plant?) back into one or a few very large clones, for the next cycle. Not scrawny little cuttings, but big healthy clones, as big as you want, which will keep your perpetual cycle on schedule.

At the same time, it's As if you took a hedge trimmer across the top and cut the uneven bushy indica plants in half, making it flat for the scrog net to drop right on. Right as soon as you cut the air layer clones away, but without wasting all the material and spending all that back breaking time training it up to the net in the first place.. The canopy will fill right back in this way without having to mess with it it.

You can literally cut a gigantic 8 ft tall plant with a 2 inch stalk in half, after getting the top half to root, turning it into two 4 ft plants with the AL technique. Turning more than 50% of an entire plant back into a clone this way is risky though, as the whole thing could die, but I've done it on bushier plants.

For example, in your setup: You have 4 plants (looks like you've been training), which you would be taking 4 big clones from, once they are big enough. One from each plant, just before dropping the net, and switching to flower cycle. You would be taking the tallest branch on each one (if it wasn't already topped), and putting them in a separate area to veg and get perfectly trained for the next few months. This seperate veg area is also where you start and keep the next AL clones going, meaning you need no extra gear or space to propagate cuttings (like aero cloners/domes/etc) or any of that anymore. The clones even continue to veg while they are hooked to the moms, and won't fry under the full veg lighting, and can already begin high\low stress training as you wait for them to root!

I could go more into it if you want.

Either way,

It's so worth it to spend the extra time on a good indica strain, and let it fill the whole net with tops. You can scrog any strain really. Just need patience.

Then if you can manage, get a good perpetual cycle going, where your flipping a perfectly even canopy just as soon as they go into the tent, and only waiting 50-60 long days to replace them with another 4 plants that already fill it up again, and again, and again...

1 last thing to add, is that it helps to start out with mutated slightly stunted monster crop clones with that kind of genetics. Makes them extra bushy from the get go, but easier to train all the smaller branches that will form. Also, if taking such huge air layers from the start, it makes up for the time lost as the mutated clones revert back into a vegetative state, and start growing like crazy again. That coupled with a short indica flower time means you can have it dialed in on schedule, scrogged to the t when others said it wasn't fun, and the very maximum yeild of great smoke that is possible.
 
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