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cannabineer said:
What indication do you have that these are in any way linked?
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None, except that Trump advocated for crashing the economy and the magats like Matt Gaetz and MTG are driving the debt ceiling fiasco. It could be a coincidence, and I said "might", but indicting Donald before it is settled could cause the magats in the house to freak out. America is too close to disaster to risk their reaction; it has to be settled in a week anyway. I think it will end up being the democrats and a few republicans from closer districts breaking ranks that pass it anyway.
 
cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
None, except that Trump advocated for crashing the economy and the magats like Matt Gaetz and MTG are driving the debt ceiling fiasco. It could be a coincidence, and I said "might", but indicting Donald before it is settled could cause the magats in the house to freak out. America is too close to disaster to risk their reaction; it has to be settled in a week anyway. I think it will end up being the democrats and a few republicans from closer districts breaking ranks that pass it anyway.
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I really think you should stop suggesting or implying that DOJ is timing their work for political effect. It’s pretty offensive.
 
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cannabineer said:
I really think you should stop suggesting or implying that DOJ is timing their work for political effect. It’s pretty offensive.
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Well, explain Garland's reluctance to start the J6 investigation, except for busting the fools at the capitol. He never went after the Meuller report findings and let the clock run out on the Stormy Daniels case in NY. The J6 panel got way ahead of the DOJ in investigating the leadership over J6 and he never appointed Jack until after the election. Of course, politics was and is involved in this matter FFS and Garland has been playing a political game while trying hard not to look like he is. Jack made more progress over indicting Trump than Garland did in nearly 2 years, and he was appointed after the 22 elections. Garland never broke the law though and just exercised prosecutorial discretion. At least I'm providing reasons and facts for my contentions, you are not.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
Well, explain Garland's reluctance to start the J6 investigation, except for busting the fools at the capitol. He never went after the Meuller report findings and let the clock run out on the Stormy Daniels case in NY. The J6 panel got way ahead of the DOJ in investigating the leadership over J6 and he never appointed Jack until after the election. Of course, politics was and is involved in this matter FFS and Garland has been playing a political game while trying hard not to look like he is. Jack made more progress over indicting Trump than Garland did in nearly 2 years, and he was appointed after the 22 elections. Garland never broke the law though and just exercised prosecutorial discretion. At least I'm providing reasons and facts for my contentions, you are not.
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I don't think Garland is playing politics, i think he's fucking terrified of being perceived as being partisan in any way...even when one party is full of criminal fucks, doing criminal fucking shit. That is the delay, mostly, he refuses to do ANYTHING that could be perceived as a partisan action.
He'll make bipartisanship a weapon that will destroy the country, if allowed.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Well, explain Garland's reluctance to start the J6 investigation, except for busting the fools at the capitol. He never went after the Meuller report findings and let the clock run out on the Stormy Daniels case in NY. The J6 panel got way ahead of the DOJ in investigating the leadership over J6 and he never appointed Jack until after the election. Of course, politics was and is involved in this matter FFS and Garland has been playing a political game while trying hard not to look like he is. Jack made more progress over indicting Trump than Garland did in nearly 2 years, and he was appointed after the 22 elections. Garland never broke the law though and just exercised prosecutorial discretion. At least I'm providing reasons and facts for my contentions, you are not.
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Was Garland reluctant to start the J6 investigation? You start with a lot of assumptions that you take as fact but are hardly so. Also, I think you are forgetting what Garland took over when Barr and Trump were finally given the heave-ho.

Garland inherited a booby-trapped DOJ. Here’s why it won’t be easy to fix.
No Biden U.S. attorneys have been confirmed yet, and there are tens of thousands of investigations to sift through, none of which come with warning stickers


Perspective by Joyce White Vance
Joyce White Vance, a former U.S. attorney in Alabama, is a professor at the University of Alabama School of Law.
June 16, 2021 at 5:07 p.m. EDT

Attorney General Merrick Garland knew he’d inherit some ticking time bombs when he took charge of the Justice Department. What he didn’t know, apparently, until the New York Times reported it this month, was that one of them was this: Under the Trump administration, the department subpoenaed Apple for information that included accounts belonging to Democratic members of Congress and their staff and families, and concealed that fact from them for almost four years.


That’s a shocking departure from the respect for the separation of powers that prevented even President Richard M. Nixon, with his list of enemies, from investigating members of Congress.

Trump had no regard for the rule of law and Biden does. Trump could move faster because he wasn't constrained by the rules. Trump's reckless administration took a wrecking ball to the DOJ and Garland is just about done repairing it. Do not forget that Garland also had to identify and lawfully discharge treasonous moles planted in the DOJ by Trump as well. To jump from "IMO, it took too long" to "Garland is timing his investigations to help Biden win the election" is completely consistent for you but also too is baseless and doesn't mesh with reality.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Well, explain Garland's reluctance to start the J6 investigation, except for busting the fools at the capitol.
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No. Neither my duty nor my expertise. And I dislike fortune-telling.
He never went after the Meuller report findings and let the clock run out on the Stormy Daniels case in NY. The J6 panel got way ahead of the DOJ in investigating the leadership over J6 and he never appointed Jack until after the election. Of course, politics was and is involved in this matter FFS and Garland has been playing a political game while trying hard not to look like he is. Jack made more progress over indicting Trump than Garland did in nearly 2 years, and he was appointed after the 22 elections. Garland never broke the law though and just exercised prosecutorial discretion. At least I'm providing reasons and facts for my contentions, you are not.
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The last sentence is not true. What you are doing is building frothy biased fantasies that use (as a multiply-removed foundation) a simplistic cartoon of the reasons and facts as you see them. Ever since you’ve announced a smoking cessation, your screeds are less moderate both in content and in temperament. They’ve crossed a tolerability line in my opinion.

Dude. Write less and smoke more. Until then, I see no benefit in my posting to you. Ta-ta for now.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
I don't think Garland is playing politics, i think he's fucking terrified of being perceived as being partisan in any way...even when one party is full of criminal fucks, doing criminal fucking shit. That is the delay, mostly, he refuses to do ANYTHING that could be perceived as a partisan action.
He'll make bipartisanship a weapon that will destroy the country, if allowed.
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I don't think he was afraid; I think he was shrewd and playing politics to the extent he legally could.
 
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Fogdog said:
Was Garland reluctant to start the J6 investigation? You start with a lot of assumptions that you take as fact but are hardly so. Also, I think you are forgetting what Garland took over when Barr and Trump were finally given the heave-ho.

Garland inherited a booby-trapped DOJ. Here’s why it won’t be easy to fix.
No Biden U.S. attorneys have been confirmed yet, and there are tens of thousands of investigations to sift through, none of which come with warning stickers


Perspective by Joyce White Vance
Joyce White Vance, a former U.S. attorney in Alabama, is a professor at the University of Alabama School of Law.
June 16, 2021 at 5:07 p.m. EDT

Attorney General Merrick Garland knew he’d inherit some ticking time bombs when he took charge of the Justice Department. What he didn’t know, apparently, until the New York Times reported it this month, was that one of them was this: Under the Trump administration, the department subpoenaed Apple for information that included accounts belonging to Democratic members of Congress and their staff and families, and concealed that fact from them for almost four years.


That’s a shocking departure from the respect for the separation of powers that prevented even President Richard M. Nixon, with his list of enemies, from investigating members of Congress.

Trump had no regard for the rule of law and Biden does. Trump could move faster because he wasn't constrained by the rules. Trump's reckless administration took a wrecking ball to the DOJ and Garland is just about done repairing it. Do not forget that Garland also had to identify and lawfully discharge treasonous moles planted in the DOJ by Trump as well. To jump from "IMO, it took too long" to "Garland is timing his investigations to help Biden win the election" is completely consistent for you but also too is baseless and doesn't mesh with reality.
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I didn't say Garland broke the law and the "time bombs" in the DOJ were political and he acted accordingly. But it does not address the Meuller report or letting the clock run out on the Stormy Daniels case in NY, he could have indicted him and still had a year before trial prepare a case for a slam dunk. I think Garland is fighting a clever fight for a larger goal and people are not giving him enough credit, he is using his discretionary powers as AG and it is perfectly legal. The only aspect of this whole sordid affair he could control was the timing and only then to a limited degree. The MAL documents case is the wild card IMO, it depends on what Jack charges him for and the judge he draws for arraignment.

Politics are involved in this, or Trump would have been long gone on an assortment of crimes including J6. To get the full measure of justice they must remove the republicans from the levers of power, and I believe this is part of the process. Not a grand conspiracy, just one intelligent man using his experience to control the timing of events to the extent he can. When Jack got the case, he just ran with it like any other case and is close to a charging decision. However, when the MAL documents case gets before a judge, especially if espionage is charged, then all bets are off if Jack opposes his release pending trial.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I didn't say Garland broke the law and the "time bombs" in the DOJ were political and he acted accordingly. But it does not address the Meuller report or letting the clock run out on the Stormy Daniels case in NY, he could have indicted him and still had a year before trial prepare a case for a slam dunk. I think Garland is fighting a clever fight for a larger goal and people are not giving him enough credit, he is using his discretionary powers as AG and it is perfectly legal. The only aspect of this whole sordid affair he could control was the timing and only then to a limited degree. The MAL documents case is the wild card IMO, it depends on what Jack charges him for and the judge he draws for arraignment.

Politics are involved in this, or Trump would have been long gone on an assortment of crimes including J6. To get the full measure of justice they must remove the republicans from the levers of power, and I believe this is part of the process. Not a grand conspiracy, just one intelligent man using his experience to control the timing of events to the extent he can. When Jack got the case, he just ran with it like any other case and is close to a charging decision. However, when the MAL documents case gets before a judge, especially if espionage is charged, then all bets are off if Jack opposes his release pending trial.
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You should add "In my opinion". All I see in your post is wild speculation but we have different standards for believing something.
 
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Fogdog said:
You should add "In my opinion". All I see in your post is wild speculation but we have different standards for believing something.
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I'm speculating as to the reasons why Trump is not doing time already as are many legal pundits, some believe Garland a coward, I do not, I believe he is using his discretionary powers. There is one trial in NY set for the middle of primary season and Georgia is set to indict this summer, trial date to be determined. Jack also appears ready to indict him for the MAL documents case soon and that could see him jailed this summer.

Here is where I think there might be an issue, if Jack wants to charge him with espionage and Garland objects to that particular charge. If indictments over the MAL documents includes that charge, the judge would probably incarcerate him upon arraignment with no bail. We will see what the charges are and if they include espionage, if Jack does not vigorously object to his release, then something could be a foot.
 
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washingtonmonthly.com

Delay Has Already Weakened Garland's Case Against Trump | Washington Monthly

It’s been two years since the insurrection, and the appointment of a special counsel only slowed the prosecution of the former president.
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JAMES D. ZIRIN
James D. Zirin, a former federal prosecutor in the Southern District of New York, is the author of Supremely Partisan-How Raw Politics Tips the Scales in the United States Supreme Court.
 
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CunningCanuk said:
I disagree with the notion that Garland is playing politics with the timing. He is methodical not slow and when indictments come, the cases will be rock solid.

I can’t imagine a more apolitical AG in the history of the DOJ.
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He is largely apolitical, but he is also the Attorney General, with an emphasis on the general part, and is the one primarily responsible for protecting the country and constitution from internal enemies, the US military takes care of external ones. He is using his discretionary powers as is his right and he feared 2022 could be landslide for the republicans with control of the house by a large majority and the senate too. If it wasn't for the Dobbs abortion decision, the states going nuts with abortion laws, triggering the women's and youth votes in 22, they might well have had one, even after J6. He appointed Jack right after the election in 2022 and he knew exactly what he would do and roughly when he would do it.

If it wasn't for his legal trouble Trump would win the republican nomination hands down and still might while on trial or even convicted and serving time. As it stands now, he could be on trial in a few different cases during primary season, the 34-count NY indictment in March, the Georgia conspiracy case and the federal MAL documents and obstruction cases. According to legal pundits all these cases are slam dunks and the J6 cases should result in seditious conspiracy convictions too. 2024 is a pivotal year IMO and it is lining up to be a very hard one for Trump whose legal team is in a mixture of disarray and deep shit. Hopefully the democrats will have a better chance with the congress in 24 and can remove them from the levers of federal power.
 
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The Trump Trials: Updates on E. Jean Carrol case; Georgia DA's case; & a tape in NY DA's case

14,579 views May 29, 2023 #TeamJustice
The investigations of Donald Trump and his criminal associates have been ongoing for what seems like an eternity. But we are now entering a new phase: the age of The Trump Trials.

This video takes on three updates:

- Fulton County, Georgia, District Attorney Fani Willis makes a remarkable request, asking the Georgia judges to hold no trials or in-person court hearings during the weeks of August 7 and August 14. How unusual is such a request and what does it signal?

- E. Jean Carroll has already beaten Donald Trump once in court, winning a massive jury verdict, but she has a second case pending against Trump. In that case, the Department of Justice has filed a letter with the presiding judge discussing a possible change in the "substitution" issue. The letter is cryptic but here is what it means and why is signals a potentially good development on the justice front.

- While in New York, District Attorney Alvin Bragg revealed to Trump's criminal defense attorneys that the prosecution has a tape of Trump talking with a witness in the hush money payments case. However, given what is already known about that case, this development might not be all that consequential, as this video discusses.

Special thanks to Team Justice editor extraordinaire Peter Soby for creating the graphic for The Trump Trials segment.

One additional note: the unusual lighting in the video is a product of my poor wilting plant needing a grow light, and me forgetting to turn it off before recording today's video. So much for my production skills.
 
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