Turboklone
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Keesje
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Clones hardly have any roots.
Stems can get mushy for several reasons. It can be oxygen inside the stem (if you don't put your cut off stems quickly enough in water for example) It can have to do with strains that are more vulnerable for it. It can be a combination of things. I have had it sometimes in a badge of 50 clones that 48 looked totally healthy and 2 stems were soft and smelly.
Stagnant air is not a reason for mushy stems and for sure not for root rot.
The fan technology is total nonsense. Totally unnecessary.
Don't believe the bullshit that Turboklone is spreading.
There is nothing wrong with stagnant air. As long as there is a tiny bit of oxygen, it is ok.
Clones and small roots need little oxygen and as long as some oxygen can get in, it is good. And oxygen will always get in. Even through the tiniest hole.
Please stop spreading nonsense. Biology is science. Not an opinion.
Your describing it if it is a handbag by Versace.
It is a fucking clone maker! What do you care how it looks?
A bucket or a tote with a lid will do the job.
What does it matter if it takes less water? Water is cheap.
As long as the pump is under water, and the sprayers are above, it is ok.
don't look at your stems every 2 hours. Just leave them alone for a week and lift the lid.
Airwalker16
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Keesje
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Please don't be a dick, and stop changing your story after people have quoted them or gave reactions to it.
It doesn't make the story of Turboklone less BS.
This tote also has handles. Also easy to move. But I guess it is $ 30 and you probably can get it cheaper. Handles don't make a silly device a better cloner. Just easier to move. But hundreds of containers have handles.
Fantastic center of gravity? Water will go to the bottom. What else would you expect? It looks like you are taking a piss at us. It is like advertising a car and saying: "it has 4 wheels so it won't tip over!"
Jet orientation... yes, sure your stems have to get wet somehow, but trust me, the water will bounce in so many directions and sides that everything will be soaked. Of course you have to put them upright and make sure that they don't get clogged, but that's all.
Again: look at what Airiwalker build and so many others on this site, and look at YouTube where you will find dozens of devices that will perform just as good or even better for a fraction of the money.
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UpstateGarden
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Alright, you guys definitely make sense. So I’m going to give a shot at building my own cloner with a bucket or container. I was excited to rep a legitimate company
turboklone is overpriced and so is ezclone… maybe they all are
turboklone is overpriced and so is ezclone… maybe they all are
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UpstateGarden
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do you scrape the skin?
Airwalker16
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I lightly start a cut where I'd want the roots to be the highest on the stem and then pull it off with my fingers, down to the end.
Airwalker16
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2 or 3 of those do the trick.
Keesje
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Some people scrape the skin, some don't. Some use some kind of powder or liquid, some don't.
I tried several methodes in the same system. Didn't notice any differences.
But I can imagine that some strains have a skin that is thicker and that in that case the hormones in the liquid or powder might work.
Or some scraping.
What I did notice during my tests is that if the water was slightly warmer, roots appeared faster.
But don't overdo it.
There are so many methodes to clone. No need to buy an expensive device. Perhaps if you want to grow 100 or 200 at the time, a plug & play cloner makes sense. But otherwise... no need for it. Most people use it perhaps 5 times a year. If it slightly leaks... so what? Some duc tape and it runs.
I experimented with a lot of methods.
With foggers. Works great, but those things are expensive and you need a few of them otherwise you have the risk that the mist stays on one side. Also they have a tendency to break down easily. Also you can not add any nutrients (if you would want to do that). The fogger membranes can not turn the nutrients into mist. They are very silent. I ran them on a timer with 3 minutes on, 10 minutes off.
With eb & flow. Works well but it takes some time to find out how high the exit pipe has to be. But simple form a material point of view. No clogging. Easy to clean. You need 2 totes or buckets. So some chance of leaking at you need to find a way to put them on top of each other and that you can still reach both totes.
Sprayers. Easy system as Airwalker shows. Many examples on internet. Easy to get all the equipment. Can clog sometimes.
Sprinklers. My favourite. It is like the sprayers, but slightly easier to build (you only have to cut the pipes, no drilling) and to clean. But you have to buy some extra things.
The sprinklers are like 5 for $ 2 on Aliexpress.
this T-piece has some thread inside (1/2 inch) and the pipe is 20 mm. But I am sure that Home Depot or another store sells those in Imperial sizes.
The build is the same as the one that Airwalker made, but instead of making wholes in your tube for the sprayer, you use the blue T-piece I showed above.
You can see the thread and in there you twist the sprinkler. Easy to clean. Nothing is glued. If you want to desinfect you take it apart and put it in a bucket with some bleach or something. You can go inside the pipes with a brush.
If you have a smaller cloner (like the bucket of Airwalker) then 1 sprinkler will do the job. It spreads the water in wide enough circle.
Then you fix one of those here beneath on the outlet of your aquarium pump.
I tried it out in the shower and the circle is amazingly wide, even with 1 sprinkler and a small aquarium pump. Just make sure your pump is stable and doesn't fall over.
Hope this might help.
I tried several methodes in the same system. Didn't notice any differences.
But I can imagine that some strains have a skin that is thicker and that in that case the hormones in the liquid or powder might work.
Or some scraping.
What I did notice during my tests is that if the water was slightly warmer, roots appeared faster.
But don't overdo it.
There are so many methodes to clone. No need to buy an expensive device. Perhaps if you want to grow 100 or 200 at the time, a plug & play cloner makes sense. But otherwise... no need for it. Most people use it perhaps 5 times a year. If it slightly leaks... so what? Some duc tape and it runs.
I experimented with a lot of methods.
With foggers. Works great, but those things are expensive and you need a few of them otherwise you have the risk that the mist stays on one side. Also they have a tendency to break down easily. Also you can not add any nutrients (if you would want to do that). The fogger membranes can not turn the nutrients into mist. They are very silent. I ran them on a timer with 3 minutes on, 10 minutes off.
With eb & flow. Works well but it takes some time to find out how high the exit pipe has to be. But simple form a material point of view. No clogging. Easy to clean. You need 2 totes or buckets. So some chance of leaking at you need to find a way to put them on top of each other and that you can still reach both totes.
Sprayers. Easy system as Airwalker shows. Many examples on internet. Easy to get all the equipment. Can clog sometimes.
Sprinklers. My favourite. It is like the sprayers, but slightly easier to build (you only have to cut the pipes, no drilling) and to clean. But you have to buy some extra things.
The sprinklers are like 5 for $ 2 on Aliexpress.
this T-piece has some thread inside (1/2 inch) and the pipe is 20 mm. But I am sure that Home Depot or another store sells those in Imperial sizes.
The build is the same as the one that Airwalker made, but instead of making wholes in your tube for the sprayer, you use the blue T-piece I showed above.
You can see the thread and in there you twist the sprinkler. Easy to clean. Nothing is glued. If you want to desinfect you take it apart and put it in a bucket with some bleach or something. You can go inside the pipes with a brush.
If you have a smaller cloner (like the bucket of Airwalker) then 1 sprinkler will do the job. It spreads the water in wide enough circle.
Then you fix one of those here beneath on the outlet of your aquarium pump.
I tried it out in the shower and the circle is amazingly wide, even with 1 sprinkler and a small aquarium pump. Just make sure your pump is stable and doesn't fall over.
Hope this might help.
UpstateGarden
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Here are the three liquid nutrients I have. Which should I put in the clone water?
Herb & Suds
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OK , I'll bite ...WHY?
I get great results with plain water?
UpstateGarden
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I’m gonna use 5mL cal mag 5 mL clonex. Not really sure just feel like it needs some
dstroy
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Idk why you guys hate turboklone. It works great and fits a bunch of clones in a small footprint. More than any alternative example posted. That’s why you buy it. If you only need four decent size clones every two months a coffee can bubble bucket will work fine.
Maybe you couldn’t see past the marketing bullshit for these things true purpose? Blow molded tightly packed convenient clone holders. No pvc sheets that aren’t even stepped or holes in tote lids that push through or need a net pot. Just a collar and convenience.
Maybe you couldn’t see past the marketing bullshit for these things true purpose? Blow molded tightly packed convenient clone holders. No pvc sheets that aren’t even stepped or holes in tote lids that push through or need a net pot. Just a collar and convenience.
Keesje
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There are several cloners with the same amount of sites and also the same small footprint. Or just slightly larger.
Aquaclone has them, for example.
I don't hate Turboklone, but I do hate it when they use marketing bullshit.
I also hate it when they pretend a device has solutions for non-existing problems.
Aquaclone has them, for example.
I don't hate Turboklone, but I do hate it when they use marketing bullshit.
I also hate it when they pretend a device has solutions for non-existing problems.
A 24 site top for a homebrew cloner can be had for £5 / $6 including 24 propagation sponges for free. The cells are open at the bottom so you can use collars which are recessed like theTK. If you make a simple top frame out of angle you could have a modular cloner with as many sites (in banks of 24) as you want/need. The TK 144 isnt modular and its not as compact, Elite 144 is 46" x 21" vs 46" x 13" for the homebrew, assuming it has 1/2" thick walls
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Keesje
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What is the 'homebrew cloner'?
Do you have a link?
dstroy
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Where do we get this?A 24 site top for a homebrew cloner can be had for £5 / $6 including 24 propagation sponges for free. The cells are open at the bottom so you can use collars which are recessed like theTK. If you make a simple top frame out of angle you could have a modular cloner with as many sites (in banks of 24) as you want/need. The TK 144 isnt modular and its not as compact, Elite 144 is 46" x 21" vs 46" x 13" for the homebrew, assuming it has 1/2" thick walls
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Do you have any pics of plants that you are growing currently?
Depends where you are, google for "root it sponges 24".
Ro booster pump, wall adapter and cycle timer $40 (china), 4 nozzles and manifold $25, 6x 24 cell inserts $40.
That will leave you about $400 for some hdpe sheet and angle etc, the Elite TK 144 is $505. You wont have the pc fan gimmick but with135psi mist you dont need one. Set the timer for 2 seconds on and 10 minutes off and run it drain to waste. It will use about 2L (0.5 gal) of water a day. A modern toilet uses about 6L (1.6 gal) per flush
Ro booster pump, wall adapter and cycle timer $40 (china), 4 nozzles and manifold $25, 6x 24 cell inserts $40.
That will leave you about $400 for some hdpe sheet and angle etc, the Elite TK 144 is $505. You wont have the pc fan gimmick but with135psi mist you dont need one. Set the timer for 2 seconds on and 10 minutes off and run it drain to waste. It will use about 2L (0.5 gal) of water a day. A modern toilet uses about 6L (1.6 gal) per flush