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Sedan

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The United States will keep the pot boiling because it is in their interests to do so; lots of scary words about Russian invading to make excuses for $780 billion in military spending and the only ones who sure are locals.

The government of Ukraine, backed by the West, will do whatever the West tells it to. This isn't good for anyone in Ukraine.
Yes, you correctly understand the situation in Ukraine.

until there isn't much left.
I think that this has already happened - Ukraine has already been ruined and thrown out as unnecessary. Zelensky spoke on TV yesterday, complaining that he was abandoned. He said in plain text that the rumors about the war were inflated, that there would be no war, which was specially kept in fear. Who keeps in fear, he did not say. Whether it is Russia, or the West, he did not say. It was a very strange speech. This speech was made immediately after the meeting with Blinken. It was obvious that Zelensky was very offended by Blinken. I suspect that the results of the negotiations between Russia and the United States are beginning to show. Everyone says that no one has agreed on anything, that the United States is taking a tough, uncompromising position, that it is ready to destroy Russia with the click of a finger!

)))) This is what we talked about above, Bro!!! I call it the "Kennedy Syndrome" - an unrealistically difficult decision for a president - it takes a lot of courage and strength, as well as wisdom, to make this decision the right one to avoid a world war.
This is the way out that Biden found in order not to disgrace himself in front of the whole world, and most importantly, in front of his voters. So that there is no war or something else bloody, Biden needs to make a concession to Russia, because Biden played too much and did not expect Russia to drive him into a corner from which there would be no way out except to make concessions! It will NEVER be public! But it will.

I'm almost sure that Blinken is forcing Zelensky to comply with the Minsk agreements! Because Biden and Putin have already agreed on something! They .. have already .. made concessions to each other. I do not see, yet, that Putin has conceded .. this will be noticeable later. But Biden promised Putin to put pressure on Zelensky to comply with the Minsk agreements.

Russkies !
The word "Russians" is written in an interesting way, I did not know that it was possible to speak English like that.

Watch out for those pesky Russkies !
I didn't understand you a bit. Please specify to whom this warning is addressed? And what annoying Russians are we talking about? About virtual Russians that are written about in the newspapers, or about living Russians - like .... like me?)))

I doubt very much that you have ever met a real Russian face to face. As for me, yes, maybe I'm annoying. But I'm just as annoying among Russians, to be honest.)))

PS: I'm just now thinking about it.. it's very curious actually. I lived all my life, and did not notice that so annoying people live around me that I need to hide from them. There are even competitions and competitions for the most annoying of the annoying... In the final of this competition, the two most annoying fight in a gladiatorial battle, riding on polar bears. Neither an American nor a European can take part in this collab, because he is unlikely to be so annoying, and most likely he will go crazy with the cries of "Russkies are coming"
 

Sedan

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It will NEVER be public
There was the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact in 1939, where Hitler and Stalin divided Eastern Europe - this document was declassified in 1989. There is an agreement between Stalin and Churchill in 1945, where Eastern Europe was also divided. This document was also declassified much later. Now the Putin-Biden pact is being signed, where again ... they divide Eastern Europe. We will not know for a long time what will be agreed upon. But according to certain events it will be possible to guess what was agreed. But the official part of the protocol of the negotiations, which will be made public in the press, will be the irreconcilable rhetoric of the negotiations, the confrontation between the two super powers ... a circus .. a theatrical performance.))) What they actually agree on, no one will tell us about!
 

ttystikk

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I think it is not so much about secret agreements to carve up eastern Europe and more about a pledge not to piss in each other's oatmeal. They can't say what they want to their respective peoples in order to "look strong" but Putin already has what he needs and the United States hasn't lost face. The only one still standing there with his dick in his hand and looking stupid is Zelensky.
 

Sedan

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I think it is not so much about secret agreements to carve up eastern Europe and more about a pledge not to piss in each other's oatmeal.
)))))
Russians say "piss in compote"))))

Bro, you can call it that, but it doesn’t change the essence - this is a clear division of spheres of influence.

They can't say what they want to their respective peoples in order to "look strong" but Putin already has what he needs and the United States hasn't lost face.
Yes, I think that they will agree on the main positions, they have no other choice. As in one, so in the second.

The only one still standing there with his dick in his hand and looking stupid is Zelensky.
Russians say in such cases: with a dick in his mouth or with a dick in his ass.)))

I forgot to say more about this... it's proof that Russia will never be gay tolerant. The most cruel, humiliating and offensive insult for a Russian man is when he is called .... this is slang, a derivative of the word pederast (gay). If you call someone a pederast in prison, and he will not be one, then you will immediately be stabbed for it. For one word!

But I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the fact that Zelensky does not lose and has not lost anything .. Along with what he is doing now in politics, he is plundering the country .. During the year of his presidency, he has already become a billionaire !!!

The Ukrainian people are suffering.. It's him with a dick.. in one place. (in prison they say this because if they ask you later for this with a knife .. you will say that you meant that the dick was in your pants.)
 

Sedan

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Breaking news: According to US intelligence, the Chinese leader personally called Putin and asked him tearfully that Putin not start a war with Ukraine during the Olympics, so as not to spoil the holiday. Thank God, now we are sure that Putin will not attack in the near future, there is still time to prepare for war.))

The next day .... British intelligence reported that they had accurate information that Russia had decided on the occupation government in Kiev when they took over the country. Names were given. Only one discrepancy - there the main person is the ward of the oligarch Akhmetov, who owns most of the energy system in Ukraine .. Roughly speaking, if he wants, he can turn off the light in all of Ukraine with the snap of a finger .. If Russia had such an ally, then there is no need there was a war in general. This Akhmetov is now "sponsoring" the president's office.

And last but not least, the next day, the Americans and the British declare that they are evacuating their embassies from Kiev .. even more: elite special forces arrive from England to evacuate .. damn it, led by James Bond .. and Mr. Bin. Let me remind you that in 2014, when horror was happening and there was a real war and riots on the streets, the United States was not going to take out its embassy from Kiev.

This is very interesting of course .. for the script of a Hollywood action movie!)))

Germany, as I said earlier, is gradually going over to Putin's side. The governor of Bavaria said on TV that he supports Putin. The head of the German Navy, during a visit to India, also declared sympathy for Putin, although he had to resign the next day for these words. Germany has closed its airspace to planes from England that carry weapons to Kiev. Planes fly in zigzags. Europe is already beginning to split in two.
 
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Sedan

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The translation is strange but it seems like this author thinks Russia is a threat. What do you think?
Of course, that's the way it is.

I showed this link not to show how the German press treats Russia. I know that there is a taboo .. or a veto .. or a veto on a taboo to write something good about Russia.))

No, I didn't read this article, I didn't even translate it, just the title. I can perfectly guess what is written there, without even reading this article. Klitschko is apparently complaining that Germany is not supplying weapons and is waiving sanctions against Nord Stream ... against the background of the fact that Russia will attack Ukraine if not today, then tomorrow. Something like this probably...

I wanted to show a great boxer, and what a scarecrow this boxer turned into when he went into politics. He is now the mayor of Kiev. I have never seen such a stupid politician. Not like politics, I don’t communicate with such stupid people in my life at all. He cannot express his thought normally, even if he reads from paper. There is a selection of his mistakes .. what he says ... when I watched this, I laughed to tears.)) It's a pity that you don't know Russian.

Klitschko works for the aligarh Poroshenko, who is now rushing for the presidency through a coup. In the wake of the fact that Germany betrayed Klitschko and does not give weapons, he decided to defend Kiev from the Russians himself. He creates detachments of volunteers, gives them weapons, trains them. It is already becoming clear to everyone where these units will go when they are well trained. They will go to overthrow Zelensky. Zelensky is already in shock. He realizes that he has gone too far. That all this panic around the war can lead to internal conflict. He spoke on TV yesterday, saying that the panic was created artificially, that people should not be afraid!! All this happened after the US began to take out the embassy. All the embassies began to collect things for the USA... They are fleeing from Kiev. Panic begins! Zelensky is shocked .. understands that .. fucked up !!
 

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Sedan

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what do you think of Putin saying Nato's expansion near russian borders is a threat and the reason of stacking troops near the ukrainian border ?
To do this, it is enough to put yourself in Putin's place and look at what is happening through his eyes.

Maidan was created precisely in order to change the government in Ukraine from pro-Russian to pro-American. In order to motivate the people, Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale was told that Ukraine's life is so bad only because Russia is robbing Ukraine and pumping resources out of it. If Ukraine gets rid of Russia, then tomorrow it will join the European Union, the salary in Ukraine will be at least $2,000. The people listened to this with their mouths open.. drooling.. And I thought: Maidan is good, Maidan is freedom. But after eight years, it has become twice as worse. They just made a visa-free regime so that 10 million Ukrainians leave for Europe to work, because there is no work here. And they continue to leave .. they are ready to take any job, even the most menial one. In Europe, Ukrainians are called blacks.

But I say this to the fact that already in 14, Putin understood where the wind was blowing from .. the wind was blowing from across the ocean. He was very worried about the Black Sea Fleet that tomorrow an American squadron would enter the harbor of Crimea, because Ukraine would allow the United States to do so. Therefore, Crimea was annexed. Do not listen to the fairy tale that Putin wants to capture everyone and everything, he protects the interests of his country. Even then, there was a high probability that NATO would enter the Black Sea. Crimea is a very important strategic geopolitical hub for Russia.

Now the US and Europe are pumping weapons into Ukraine, do you think that Putin will calmly look at this? Why does Ukraine need weapons? Who do they want to kill with these weapons? They want to kill Russians with these weapons. Do you think Putin liked it? Therefore, the troops on the border. This is just a provocation. They pump weapons into Ukraine so that Russia builds up troops on the border, in contrast. You will see that if such a thing happens, as in Germany, that Germany refused to supply weapons, and everyone else does the same, then Russia will immediately withdraw troops from the border.
 

DurumGallico

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To do this, it is enough to put yourself in Putin's place and look at what is happening through his eyes.

Maidan was created precisely in order to change the government in Ukraine from pro-Russian to pro-American. In order to motivate the people, Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale was told that Ukraine's life is so bad only because Russia is robbing Ukraine and pumping resources out of it. If Ukraine gets rid of Russia, then tomorrow it will join the European Union, the salary in Ukraine will be at least $2,000. The people listened to this with their mouths open.. drooling.. And I thought: Maidan is good, Maidan is freedom. But after eight years, it has become twice as worse. They just made a visa-free regime so that 10 million Ukrainians leave for Europe to work, because there is no work here. And they continue to leave .. they are ready to take any job, even the most menial one. In Europe, Ukrainians are called blacks.

But I say this to the fact that already in 14, Putin understood where the wind was blowing from .. the wind was blowing from across the ocean. He was very worried about the Black Sea Fleet that tomorrow an American squadron would enter the harbor of Crimea, because Ukraine would allow the United States to do so. Therefore, Crimea was annexed. Do not listen to the fairy tale that Putin wants to capture everyone and everything, he protects the interests of his country. Even then, there was a high probability that NATO would enter the Black Sea. Crimea is a very important strategic geopolitical hub for Russia.

Now the US and Europe are pumping weapons into Ukraine, do you think that Putin will calmly look at this? Why does Ukraine need weapons? Who do they want to kill with these weapons? They want to kill Russians with these weapons. Do you think Putin liked it? Therefore, the troops on the border. This is just a provocation. They pump weapons into Ukraine so that Russia builds up troops on the border, in contrast. You will see that if such a thing happens, as in Germany, that Germany refused to supply weapons, and everyone else does the same, then Russia will immediately withdraw troops from the border.
Really interesting response, thanks !
Actually i'm thinking the same way, no Putin love or hate, just thinking geostrategically and.. yeah, he makes sense. Particularly when you know how US and NATO allies are pushing their borders further and further for decades.
In France there is massive propaganda against Russia and Putin, not saying Russia is heaven but yeah, don't think either Putin will start third world war for Ukraine.
 

Sedan

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Actually i'm thinking the same way, no Putin love or hate
In fact, Putin is the most powerful politician in the world at the moment, to be completely objective, he will really go down in history, like Napoleon. Is it possible to love or hate Napoleon, this is a rhetorical question.))) What can be blamed on him? Only that he is currently protecting the interests of his country, so that what happened in the late 80s does not happen. The United States has a real competitor, and the United States does not like competitors very much!))) It has always been like this. And in order to eliminate a competitor, the US government does not shun any methods, up to and including opportunism. What is actually happening now. In what form it is taught to us in the media - we perfectly see - anything but the truth. This is what I'm talking about right now! Yes, it was in 99m Putin ordered the FSB to blow up a residential building in Russia in order to unleash a war in Chechnya, it's true .. but these were not skyscrapers, it was much more modest. Therefore, if you call Putin a murderer, then what should you call Bush? Or what to call Truman? Let's call it better non-killer George Washington, who inherited from his father .. ten .. slaves .. but over time the number of these slaves increased .. he is not only a murderer, he is also a rapist.

Particularly when you know how US and NATO allies are pushing their borders further and further for decades.
When the US broke up the USSR in the 80s, Gorbachev not only received a Nobel Prize for it, he was also promised that NATO would not move an inch to the East after that. But these promises were forgotten very quickly .. but still, Russia did not react to this - it endured until ... Maidan came. "This is already impudence" - Putin thought then ... and the Russian bear got out of the den so that everyone experienced a little shock ... to put it mildly. This is me about the hysteria that is happening now in Europe and America .. there is no more important topic than Putin and Russia, everything has gone by the wayside .. No one talks like that about the pandemic, about the energy crisis, about the economic crisis .. All the first the headlines just say..Putin..Putin..Putin..Putin! This is getting really annoying and annoying! I live 30 km from the Russian border.. I'm not afraid at all!!! My wife is not afraid either.. at all!!! I have no idea why the whole world is so afraid.. and what do they care what we have going on here!

In France there is massive propaganda against Russia and Putin
I understand that you are from France. Bon Jour!))

I have a friend from the forum in France for a very long time .. on the Cote d'Azur, but he is Russian .. more precisely, Belarusian. Yes I know. Even with him it is generally impossible to talk about politics, propaganda has been blown into his ears so that he no longer hears anything.

I am very glad that such sensible people as you live in France. But mark my words - very soon France will radically change its rhetoric in relation to Russia.

Guys, I'm Ukrainian, but I'll tell you honestly, being friends with Russia is good. No one has yet suffered from friendship with Russia. Here the whole reason is in politics, in ideology. There are no other obstacles.

Putin will start third world war for Ukraine.
Yes, you're right - it's nonsense! Unless if Putin is a maniac. Whoever believes that Putin is a maniac, let him be afraid of war!

Bro, I'm afraid that a petty provocation will deceive like ditnamite. Like in 1914, when Archduke Ferdinand was killed, then the First World War began.
 

Sedan

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Pumping weapons to Ukraine now is not just a provocation; it needs to be sorted out in the Nuremberg Tribunal, for crimes against humanity. It's my opinion. Because it is this that can lead to catastrophic consequences for Ukraine and, subsequently, for the whole world ..

The one who makes these decisions is the one who is a real killer without a soul, and you don’t even need to look into his eyes .. In addition, he always hides these deceitful eyes!

I all this to everything, damn it, they don’t give these weapons .. they sell them on credit !!! And these debts will be paid off by the Ukrainian people. And this weapon will lie and rust, as in Afghanistan, this is at best! about the worst, I already said!
 

bazoomer

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Putin is a murdering scumbag terrorist. Imo, or would that be fact.im not sniffing any frigging perfume bottles anymore, I know that much :peace::shock:
 
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ttystikk

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Pumping weapons to Ukraine now is not just a provocation; it needs to be sorted out in the Nuremberg Tribunal, for crimes against humanity. It's my opinion. Because it is this that can lead to catastrophic consequences for Ukraine and, subsequently, for the whole world ..

The one who makes these decisions is the one who is a real killer without a soul, and you don’t even need to look into his eyes .. In addition, he always hides these deceitful eyes!

I all this to everything, damn it, they don’t give these weapons .. they sell them on credit !!! And these debts will be paid off by the Ukrainian people. And this weapon will lie and rust, as in Afghanistan, this is at best! about the worst, I already said!
And we have arrived at the real reason America is creating this situation; to sell weapons and to bankrupt Ukraine so that it will look to the West for loans to remain solvent. In this way Ukraine will become a client State of the United States and that's more dangerous for its people than living next door to Russia.
 
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