Watched the Back The Eden

Mozalpete

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I just watched some of the Back to Eden tours couple days ago. That's my first time hearing about this guy. After understanding the process I can't take nothing else seriously. Even before seeing it I was feeling the same but I had no confirmation. I thought you guys could be up to something with all that enthusiastic talk. Guys what are we doing? Why 90% of you are growing hydroponics? All that ph controlling for months and seasons. You are getting pest issues non stop, trying to fix problems that you created. Paying money to create problems and more money to solve them. Chasing your tail. For what? To get a unbelievably worse tasting, smelling product thats bad for you? What's all that work for? Do you really think you gonna make it better than something that's lived and evolved for 6 fucking thousand years that atleast we recorded? Really? Have you ever seen a mechanic who's been mechanic for 40+ years work? They do no mistakes and everything is efficient right? Now think about a mechanic that's been mechanic for 6000+ years. You just drove your car to his garage to asking for help, he is happy to help you but instead you took the tools from his hand and start smashing them to your car thinking you gonna fix it. Just because of our ego. Are you people fucking crazy?

Nature is perfect, you can't make perfect better, you can't help to the perfect, you just have to give him the tools, get out the way and watch him work. Stop being stupid and just copy the nature, you will be shocked when you see what you were missing out on.
 
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Mozalpete

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Sorry buddy but nature is not perfect.
Nature is not perfect unless you are the weak one. If you are the weak one, you have to be killed before you procreate. So your spices stays strong and survive. If you were barely strong enough and overcame the attack, you get stronger from the stress you took, so you can catch up with the strong ones again. From predator bacteria eating bacteria, pests eating weak plants, ladybug eating aphid, bird eating ladybug, lions chasing weak deer to Kids bullying weak kids. It's exactly the same process. It's just a endless pattern that goes from smallest to entity.

There is not a single plant in nature with ph issues, nute burns/deficiencies, no over watering, no under watering. Everything is perfectly connected with each other, except the humans. We choosed to think, instead of reacting. So we could do whatever we want. But what are we doing is not good enough. Like you, we tought we are better. But now we are seeing everything we didn't touch is totally perfect. It's too late to join in, our only choice is to imitate.
 
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Xcoregamerskillz

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Dude, take your hippie shit elsewhere. People have been breeding and cultivating crops since before we could write. That's how we get plants to resist disease, increase yield, and improve flavor.
 

Mozalpete

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Dude, take your hippie shit elsewhere. People have been breeding and cultivating crops since before we could write. That's how we get plants to resist disease, increase yield, and improve flavor.
What the fuck that has to do with growing organic? When did the growing in wood chips became hippy? I missed that meeting.
 

Xcoregamerskillz

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It's got to do with cultivation. It's been scientifically proven multiple times that inorganic salts and organic materials make no difference to the plants. More recent studies have shown that organic farming is worse for the environment and climate change than inorganic methods. It doesn't matter if you're inside or outside, it doesn't matter if you use horseshit or miracle grow, the plants don't give a fuck.
 

Mozalpete

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It's got to do with cultivation. It's been scientifically proven multiple times that inorganic salts and organic materials make no difference to the plants. More recent studies have shown that organic farming is worse for the environment and climate change than inorganic methods. It doesn't matter if you're inside or outside, it doesn't matter if you use horseshit or miracle grow, the plants don't give a fuck.
You are not someone thats worth talking. I'm sorry that you are living an unlucky life but I don't see any benefit on explaining you something after what you just said. Good luck.
 

Xcoregamerskillz

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You are not someone thats worth talking. I'm sorry that you are living an unlucky life but I don't see any benefit on explaining you something after what you just said. Good luck.
Dude your posts are complete garbage. Plants die from drought all the time. Nature isn't the perfect environment, and cultivated plants are usually healthier than wild ones.
 

Lordhooha

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I do enjoy organic soil generally mine that I’ve built. I’d rather feed the soil rather than feed the plant it.
 

ConMer710

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I feel like what you said is just a blanket statement. I started my first grow with hydro and havent had any pest issues and have not been constantly chasing my tail like you mentioned.

While one can argue that growing organic can have better flavor I think hydro outputs more weight.

Everyone has their preferences each method has it's own advantages and disadvantages.

Also you mentioned that no plants in nature have problems / deficiencies. This is probably because the plants not suited to that environment die off. Eventually the ones that are well suited to that environment thrive.

I have some extra tent space so next run I was planning on doing an organic soil grow to see how they compare. I don't think you can flat out say one is better than other. Everything has pros and cons
 

Xcoregamerskillz

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I feel like what you said is just a blanket statement. I started my first grow with hydro and havent had any pest issues and have not been constantly chasing my tail like you mentioned.

While one can argue that growing organic can have better flavor I think hydro outputs more weight.

Everyone has their preferences each method has it's own advantages and disadvantages.

Also you mentioned that no plants in nature have problems / deficiencies. This is probably because the plants not suited to that environment die off. Eventually the ones that are well suited to that environment thrive.

I have some extra tent space so next run I was planning on doing an organic soil grow to see how they compare. I don't think you can flat out say one is better than other. Everything has pros and cons
Dude, I can tell you this, if I threw Cannabis Sativa in my yard and tried to grow it, I'd have a bad time. This post is just horseshit. As far a flavor, it's all about terpine development, so you have to find out what your plant needs to grow those, and add it to your hydro mix. I have no problem with growing organics, I have no problems with whatever nutrients anyone wants to use, but when people pretend there's some magical answer in using one method over another I get pissed. Cultivated foods are better, hands down, and using inorganic substances is far more efficient according to most of the newest studies. There definitely can be some issues with runoff, but that can be mitigated.
 

Mozalpete

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Says the person who couldn't figure out how to wire up some light bulbs....
Thats something what woman does, when they are wrong in an arguement they look for your weak points even if its out of topic. I hope you are both woman, because if you are not that means you guys are some weak males.

Those are led bulbs, they have driver in them. I'm not experienced with electricity by any means, never wired 2 drivers together so I wasn't sure about it, I asked, learned and built a nice little light fixture with 4 adjustable bulbs and 1 cxb3590 at the middle. Which is growing 3 spotless plants right now. You couldn't find anything to say about my point and you went hunting in my topics. That means you know you are wrong but you can't admit after paying hundreds of dollars on ph pens, ph ups, ph downs, countless different bullshit fertilizers. I'm not gonna post anything else after this one, you guys are just some brain-washed people and I'm not the hero thats gonna change that. Keep on paying hundreds to smoke some empty shit weed. Peace.
 

ConMer710

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Dude, I can tell you this, if I threw Cannabis Sativa in my yard and tried to grow it, I'd have a bad time. This post is just horseshit. As far a flavor, it's all about terpine development, so you have to find out what your plant needs to grow those, and add it to your hydro mix. I have no problem with growing organics, I have no problems with whatever nutrients anyone wants to use, but when people pretend there's some magical answer in using one method over another I get pissed. Cultivated foods are better, hands down, and using inorganic substances is far more efficient according to most of the newest studies. There definitely can be some issues with runoff, but that can be mitigated.
Never said I'm looking for a magic bullet. I have an extra tent and getting the soil and nutrients is cheaper than building another RDWC. Also that's why I am trying it for myself not saying I'm ditching hydro but may as well give it a try.
 

KryptoBud

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Not everyone grows in a place thats legal. Not everyone has a yard or land to grow safely. Waiting a year for each harvest doesn't work for everyone.You have bugs, cops, rippers, and weather you have no control over that could wipe out a crop quickly, then what? Growing depletes the soil of nutrients, unless you have some magic dirt its gonna need to be amended at some point. What you're stating is the obvious, but it doesn't work for everyone. You think people would rather spend $$$$$$ on lights, fans, tents, time, and electricity or drop a seed in the dirt come back in 5 months and have lbs of top shelf shit for free?

Everything you do in life needs to be learned growing is no different. You don't have to be a rocket doctor to do it, but it does take time and some effort. Growing "natural" doesn't guarantee anything being better or safer. Unless you have your soil tested how do you know its safer?? You don't. Heavy metals are natural and toxic. The plants we grow are capable of absorbing and storing huge amounts of them without showing any kind of toxicity.

I think a lot of the problems stem from these kind of sites. Theres massive amounts of misinformation that people follow no questions asked. Watching a video or reading an article on the internet makes some people over night experts giving advice about things they don't understand. Doing a bit of research before making changes or trying something for the first time would save a lot of time, money, and headaches.
 
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