What deficiency is this?

Wizzlebiz

Wizzlebiz

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Raspberrykiwi said:
A note, everything is green and healthy. The only thing is these last couple days just started turning the very bottom leaves. Some fell off and some were hanging. I transplanted in FFOF, compost, worm castings and some 3-9-4 fertilizer.
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Just making sure but it seems you transplanted into nutrient rich soil and also added nutes correct?

That could easily be a lockout due to that. Its a bit much.
 
mistergrafik

mistergrafik

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Wizzlebiz said:
Just making sure but it seems you transplanted into nutrient rich soil and also added nutes correct?

That could easily be a lockout due to that. Its a bit much.
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That's what I said but 30 days after transplant stumped me. Thats why I said PH swing from soil to soil causing long term lokout
 
Raspberrykiwi

Raspberrykiwi

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mistergrafik said:
That's what I said but 30 days after transplant stumped me. Thats why I said PH swing from soil to soil causing long term lokout
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Well from my understanding, ph doesn’t matter on the uptake. My microbes break down organic matter and convert it to mineral form. The cationic exchange in my soil attracts the minerals and get absorbed directly by the roots. That would mean that water PH doesn’t matter. I get my water from an RO filter at the store. I only water with RO water which should theoretically be close to neutral PH. My plant has 0 tip burn, looks healthy as can be and I have had no issues besides when I first transplanted but that quickly solved itself. If it was a PH issue, it would have presented itself sooner than 30 days.
 
mistergrafik

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Raspberrykiwi said:
Well from my understanding, ph doesn’t matter on the uptake. My microbes break down organic matter and convert it to mineral form. The cationic exchange in my soil attracts the minerals and get absorbed directly by the roots. That would mean that water PH doesn’t matter. I get my water from an RO filter at the store. I only water with RO water which should theoretically be close to neutral PH. My plant has 0 tip burn, looks healthy as can be and I have had no issues besides when I first transplanted but that quickly solved itself. If it was a PH issue, it would have presented itself sooner than 30 days.
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Right - that's why I am stumped. Only time I have had this was going to one soil to another, buried too deep and the roots wouldn't take completely to the new medium because it got locket out long term

*note the plant will continue to grow but only to the original container size the roots never reached outward into new medium. In my case that is
 
Raspberrykiwi

Raspberrykiwi

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mistergrafik said:
Right - that's why I am stumped. Only time I have had this was going to one soil to another, buried too deep and the roots wouldn't take completely to the new medium because it got locket out long term

*note the plant will continue to grow but only to the original container size the roots never reached outward into new medium. In my case that is
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The plant was potted maybe 3 inches from the bottom of the pot. So maybe that’s it, but at the same time I wouldn’t know 100%. This is only my 4th time growing. I’ve seen nutrient lockout/ph lockout and the whole plant kinda goes south. But in my case, it’s only on the bottom leaves which would mean my plant is using the nutrients in the leaves. When I transplanted I vegged for another 2 weeks before flipping... I added little to no nitrogen, so maybe my plant has used up all the nitrogen in the soil. I’ll start with a tea, if that doesn’t solve it then I’ll topdress
 
mistergrafik

mistergrafik

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Raspberrykiwi said:
The plant was potted maybe 3 inches from the bottom of the pot. So maybe that’s it, but at the same time I wouldn’t know 100%. This is only my 4th time growing. I’ve seen nutrient lockout/ph lockout and the whole plant kinda goes south. But in my case, it’s only on the bottom leaves which would mean my plant is using the nutrients in the leaves. When I transplanted I vegged for another 2 weeks before flipping... I added little to no nitrogen, so maybe my plant has used up all the nitrogen in the soil. I’ll start with a tea, if that doesn’t solve it then I’ll topdress
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Yes the whole plant goes south fast you are right. Well I mean it seems like you have a green thumb and the plant is still thriving. If you figure out the issue let me know I would like to find out what causes this
 
Raspberrykiwi

Raspberrykiwi

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mistergrafik said:
Yes the whole plant goes south fast you are right. Well I mean it seems like you have a green thumb and the plant is still thriving. If you figure out the issue let me know I would like to find out what causes this
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I’m far from a green thumb lol just looked into the science of organics and know what goes on in the soil and how the plant reacts and absorbs nutrients. I’m still new to growing, so deficiencies I don’t know much about I’m not sure if topdressing with 3-9-4 Dr Earth Flower girl will fix the issue. I am thinking of maybe topdressing with EWC as well?
 
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Raspberrykiwi said:
The plant was potted maybe 3 inches from the bottom of the pot. So maybe that’s it, but at the same time I wouldn’t know 100%. This is only my 4th time growing. I’ve seen nutrient lockout/ph lockout and the whole plant kinda goes south. But in my case, it’s only on the bottom leaves which would mean my plant is using the nutrients in the leaves. When I transplanted I vegged for another 2 weeks before flipping... I added little to no nitrogen, so maybe my plant has used up all the nitrogen in the soil. I’ll start with a tea, if that doesn’t solve it then I’ll topdress
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I am gently asking if you had much runoff when watering? In these soils any significant runoff is taking nutes with it, especially N.

Most of us growing in soil, especially nutrient dense soil, have this issue. Many of the pros suggest we topdress several times through flower. Even with transplants this happens, 30 days is VERY common!

A ph of 7 or thereabouts should be fine...but i would carefully check the ph of the RO water. I do believe in a very controlled grow ph may not need a lot of focus, bur i firmly believe you should know it is vs think so.
 
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ComfortCreator

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Raspberrykiwi said:
I’m far from a green thumb lol just looked into the science of organics and know what goes on in the soil and how the plant reacts and absorbs nutrients. I’m still new to growing, so deficiencies I don’t know much about I’m not sure if topdressing with 3-9-4 Dr Earth Flower girl will fix the issue. I am thinking of maybe topdressing with EWC as well?
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Ideally imo, if a grow goes well like yours, topdress with the same soil. EWC will likely do well too. Or both.
 
Raspberrykiwi

Raspberrykiwi

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ComfortCreator said:
I am gently asking if you had much runoff when watering? In these soils any significant runoff is taking nutes with it, especially N.

Most of us growing in soil, especially nutrient dense soil, have this issue. Many of the pros suggest we topdress several times through flower. Even with transplants this happens, 30 days is VERY common!

A ph of 7 or thereabouts should be fine...but i would carefully check the ph of the RO water. I do believe in a very controlled grow ph may not need a lot of focus, bur i firmly believe you should know it is vs think so.
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I don’t water until runoff. I use a pump sprayer and it takes about 20 minutes of watering to get though my 2 gallons. I feed 2 gallons of water every 2 days, she is THIRSTY
 
Raspberrykiwi

Raspberrykiwi

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ComfortCreator said:
If you go gentle on the first topdress you can see how it reacts. I would use the same as close to what was originally in the pot. Make sure it is cooked if anything needs it i.e
Compost (or leave it out)
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Ok. I’ll start with a topdress and then water with compost tea to start breaking that organic matter down. See where it goes from there
 
Raspberrykiwi

Raspberrykiwi

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Here is a better pic of the plant with the lights off. She looks fine to me?... just concerned about the few yellowing leaves at the bottom. They seem to pop up pretty quick. Maybe I’m just tripping?
 

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mistergrafik

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Are those leaves in the pot? Like old foliage? I know you run organics but rotting organic matter produces acid, the excess of which may harm the plant particularly to the sensitive one. Could be a long shot but this would affect ur PH like I mentioned. Going into flower I maintain a higher ph 6.2-6.5
 
Raspberrykiwi

Raspberrykiwi

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mistergrafik said:
Are those leaves in the pot? Like old foliage? I know you run organics but rotting organic matter produces acid, the excess of which may harm the plant particularly to the sensitive one. Could be a long shot but this would affect ur PH like I mentioned. Going into flower I maintain a higher ph 6.2-6.5
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I use it as a mulch on my top soil. I let them dry out and then I add them on top to help hold moisture in my soil. I don’t throw live material in there. But short answer yes. Eventually, my microbes will break down the leaves and return the nutrients to the soil.
 
Raspberrykiwi

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Btw, I’ve been adding leaf material that I cut off to my soil even before transplant and it never presented any problems. Just found decomposer mites in my boy plants soil which was from the same bag. Kind of strange only in that one but not both.
 
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