What has Trump done to this country?

hanimmal said:

Well, we did just oust a would be dictator by voting them out of office and tearing away control over our federal government. The state level Republicans still skated since a lot of people split the ticket to vote for Biden, but they have shown to have been just as bad for our democracy as a group.

So even though it is not a sure thing, I have hope that people realize just how important the next few elections truly are to scour these would be nazi's out of our government.

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There needs to be change, in federal election law, voting rights and media regulation, or the country will come apart at the seams and those seams will be along state lines. Biden might have been elected POTUS, but the house is up for grabs and the senate is almost evenly split. If the republicans win the house, their first order of business will be to impeach Biden, Trump will order it from his prison cell.

I think the most important change you and we can make is to provide free basic cable TV (spoon feed media) that just carries FCC regulated broadcast channels, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, (foxnews would be removed from cable) and no "free" political channels, it would give the cable companies a chance to sell their streaming packages. I also think that this should be a part of the rural broadband infrastructure package, along with getting rid of AM hate radio by reassigning the bandwidth to digital use. Of course social media will need to to be regulated as well, foreign and domestic propaganda and disinformation needs to be stifled.

DIY-HP-LED said:

There needs to be change, in federal election law, voting rights and media regulation, or the country will come apart at the seams and those seams will be along state lines.

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I don't see it that way. It is all or nothing right now for the Republicans. They took a shot at dictatorship that was decades in the making and the Russians slipped them a ruffie(Trump) when they were not looking.

The red state micro-dictator's like DeSantis, and Republicans that are pushing for the con with hurting voter's ability to not have to wait hours in line to vote in those states is shitty, but it's in the open now. They lost big in 2018 and 2020 thanks to Trump. They were set up to have had complete control with their clear attack on our democracy.

Think about it. If Clinton wins (after Obama) the Republicans would have impeached her for Benghazi or 'but email' scam and road that to house/senate and state control right now in 2020 with the census in their favor. The world would be in a much better place, right now, but we would be in a 2-4 year cycle of total Republican control pulling these same voting cons, but with a lot more state control.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Biden might have been elected POTUS, but the house is up for grabs and the senate is almost evenly split. If the republicans win the house, their first order of business will be to impeach Biden, Trump will order it from his prison cell.

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The house is up for election every two years, so it is technically always up for grabs.

And definantly they will find some bullshit hearings to impeach Biden so they can pretend like they are getting revenge for their bloodthirsty cult while giving them nothing except their ability to have 'those' people to look down on.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I think the most important change you and we can make is to provide free basic cable TV (spoon feed media) that just carries FCC regulated broadcast channels, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, (foxnews would be removed from cable) and no "free" political channels, it would give the cable companies a chance to sell their streaming packages. I also think that this should be a part of the rural broadband infrastructure package, along with getting rid of AM hate radio by reassigning the bandwidth to digital use. Of course social media will need to to be regulated as well, foreign and domestic propaganda and disinformation needs to be stifled.

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Interesting ideas, I would just really like our laws to protect us from politicians being able to lie to us. So that while in or running for office they are obligated to either 'no comment' or be smart enough to answer the question without lying.

hanimmal said:

Interesting ideas, I would just really like our laws to protect us from politicians being able to lie to us. So that while in or running for office they are obligated to either 'no comment' or be smart enough to answer the question without lying.

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Since broadcast TV went digital, over the air reception is crap and as a result many people get their streaming news (spoon feed media) online and are subjected to the pernicious effects of social media. I believe this broadcast dessert effect is especially true in rural America and they are more dependent on AM radio too, since it carries a long distance. Part of the answer to the rural/urban divide are the information sources each community has access to.

To deradicalize and deprogram the fanatics we must stifle their propaganda and disinformation sources, if someone wants to spout opinion or religion, then do it from a soapbox in a public park the old fashioned way. Either deal with it at the valve or deal with it at the nozzle end of the firehose. No country in history has allowed such divisive domestic or foreign bullshit with in it's borders and survived for long. If no divisions exist in a society, they will create them for profit, if not controlled by the state, unfortunately there are many social fault lines for these people to exploit for political power or profit.

The Russians and the likes of Rupert Murdoch and others are just the first examples of many more to come. The latest is to snow elected representatives under with fake email and text messages from "constituents", generated by robots advocating policies. Meanwhile threats of violence put a barrier between elected officials and those they represent. This are not exclusively an American problem, but will be increasingly used to attack democracies in a digital world that has no information borders or limits. America is a target rich environment with many social fault lines of race, politics and religion, the American constitution and political situation makes it a particularly vulnerable and appealing target. Nobody can attack the USA militarily, but they can attack it informationally and the pace and intensity of those attacks will only increase. Either do something about it or go down in a struggle among yourselves.

@hanimmal another bookmark with links..all 2020 misinformation catalog.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Since broadcast TV went digital over the air reception is crap and as a result many people get their streaming news (spoon feed media) online and are subjected to the pernicious effects of social media. I believe this broadcast dessert effect is especially true in rural America and they are more dependent on AM radio too, since it carries a long distance. Part of the answer to the rural/urban divide are the information sources each community has access to.

To deradicalize and deprogram the fanatics we must stifle their propaganda and disinformation sources, if someone wants to spout opinion or religion, then do it from a soapbox in a public park the old fashioned way.

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We got a handful of channels growing up in the sticks, a few years after I left my dad got satellite tv. But I do think AM radio is a big thing when you are driving for a hour each way to get to work and FM channels get fuzzy.

Another problem is local papers/reporters disappearing and all the propaganda websites masquerading as local news (https://www.rollitup.org/t/michigans-new-local-news-website-scam-1000s-more-coming-to-other-states.998898/post-15331873) cat fishing the vulnerable people.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Either deal with it at the valve or deal with it at the nozzle end of the firehose. No country in history has allowed such divisive domestic or foreign bullshit with in it's borders and survived for long.

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I call bullshit on this part. The internet is new. There wasn't really this kind of widespread personalized warfare weaponry at anytime in our history.

DIY-HP-LED said:

If no divisions exist in a society, they will create them for profit, if not controlled by the state, unfortunately there are many social fault lines for these people to exploit for political power or profit.

The Russians and the likes of Rupert Murdoch and others are just the first examples of many more to come. The latest is to snow elected representatives under with fake email and text messages from "constituents", generated by robots advocating policies. Meanwhile threats of violence put a barrier between elected officials and those they represent. This are not exclusively an American problem, but will be increasingly used to attack democracies in a digital world that has no information borders or limits. America is a target rich environment with many social fault lines of race, politics and religion, the American constitution and political situation makes it a particularly vulnerable and appealing target. Nobody can attack the USA militarily, but they can attack it informationally and the pace and intensity of those attacks will only increase. Either do something about it or go down in a struggle among yourselves.

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Every country have 'fault lines' and they are all exploitable don't kid yourself with that. And we proved ourselves capable of ousting a dictator in one term, which so far I don't think any other nation has done either right?

hanimmal said:

We got a handful of channels growing up in the sticks, a few years after I left my dad got satellite tv. But I do think AM radio is a big thing when you are driving for a hour each way to get to work and FM channels get fuzzy.

Another problem is local papers/reporters disappearing and all the propaganda websites masquerading as local news (https://www.rollitup.org/t/michigans-new-local-news-website-scam-1000s-more-coming-to-other-states.998898/post-15331873) cat fishing the vulnerable people.


I call bullshit on this part. The internet is new. There wasn't really this kind of widespread personalized warfare weaponry at anytime in our history.


Every country have 'fault lines' and they are all exploitable don't kid yourself with that. And we proved ourselves capable of ousting a dictator in one term, which so far I don't think any other nation has done either right?

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we are a very young country by world standards; these people want Civil War STILL- it's never really ended..not really. we cannot let our guard down for one moment.

hanimmal said:

I call bullshit on this part. The internet is new. There wasn't really this kind of widespread personalized warfare weaponry at anytime in our history.

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I think looking at the historic effects of a new information technology on society might be informative. Take the printing press as an example of new information technology, within a generation there were 20 million books published, most of them bibles or religious tracts. Within a hundred years you had the protestant reformation and the religious wars of Europe along with the inquisition. Bibles that were only in Latin and for the priesthood, were now translated and printed in the vernacular and with them came an explosion in protestant sects. Eventually this lead to religious toleration, as no other solution was possible, even in countries with state religions and the arising of civil government. It took a lot of strife, persecution, burnings at the stake and blood to get there though!

Ever since there was the technical means to do so there has been propaganda, be it with pamphlets, or via radio broadcasts, it never worked for TV because of the short range. The internet though has created a world without informational borders and the Russians exploited this very well indeed at several different levels, from injecting poison into the body politic, to hacking critical infrastructure. They are on a level playing field with America and all democracies online and for a country with an economy smaller than Italy, they are punching far above their weight.

Then America in particular has other domestic enemies that are essentially pseudo counties, multi billionaires who can buy up whole chains of radio networks with spare pocket change. They can create vast disinformation systems online for profit by exploiting existing social divisions, or creating new ones, like masks and vaccines.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I think looking at the historic effects of a new information technology on society might be informative. Take the printing press as an example of new information technology, within a generation there were 20 million books published, most of them bibles or religious tracts. Within a hundred years you had the protestant reformation and the religious wars of Europe along with the inquisition. Bibles that were only in Latin and for the priesthood, were now translated and printed in the vernacular and with them came an explosion in protestant sects. Eventually this lead to religious toleration, as no other solution was possible, even in countries with state religions and the arising of civil government. It took a lot of strife, persecution, burnings at the stake and blood to get there though!

Ever since there was the technical means to do so there has been propaganda, be it with pamphlets, or via radio broadcasts, it never worked for TV because of the short range. The internet though has created a world without informational borders and the Russians exploited this very well indeed at several different levels, from injecting poison into the body politic, to hacking critical infrastructure. They are on a level playing field with America and all democracies online and for a country with an economy smaller than Italy are punching far above their weight.

Then America in particular has other domestic enemies that are essentially pseudo counties, multi billionaires who can buy up whole chains of radio networks with spare pocket change. They can create vast disinformation systems online for profit by exploiting existing social divisions or creating new ones like masks, and vaccines.

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i was just going to say something like this don't forget the telegraph- that was hella new technology at one time and yet they got through it without storming the Capitol.

schuylaar said:

we are a very young country by world standards; htese people want Civil War STILL- it's never really ended..not really. we cannot let our guard down for one moment.

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There are aways going to be people that want civil war. But my money is on the vast majority that just want to get through their day without being hassled.

These people that are radicalized into believing the lies that the Republicans have to offer through the highly sophisticated and extremely well funded attack on us all, and it was never going to just be as soon as Biden took office they would wake up because 'ding-dong the witch is dead' moment.

They have had constant contact with the propaganda through TV/Radio/internet/comment sections etc for decades.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I think looking at the historic effects of a new information technology on society might be informative. Take the printing press as an example of new information technology, within a generation there were 20 million books published, most of them bibles or religious tracts. Within a hundred years you had the protestant reformation and the religious wars of Europe along with the inquisition. Bibles that were only in Latin and for the priesthood, were now translated and printed in the vernacular and with them came an explosion in protestant sects. Eventually this lead to religious toleration, as no other solution was possible, even in countries with state religions and the arising of civil government. It took a lot of strife, persecution, burnings at the stake and blood to get there though!

Ever since there was the technical means to do so there has been propaganda, be it with pamphlets, or via radio broadcasts, it never worked for TV because of the short range. The internet though has created a world without informational borders and the Russians exploited this very well indeed at several different levels, from injecting poison into the body politic, to hacking critical infrastructure. They are on a level playing field with America and all democracies online and for a country with an economy smaller than Italy are punching far above their weight.

Then America in particular has other domestic enemies that are essentially pseudo counties, multi billionaires who can buy up whole chains of radio networks with spare pocket change. They can create vast disinformation systems online for profit by exploiting existing social divisions or creating new ones like masks, and vaccines.

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Unlike what was before, monarchies and whatnot, our nation has the ability to change without falling apart. We have also proven that we could oust a dictator in one term at the height of their power, I still haven't heard another country doing that.

But it is a good point about new technologies and societal turmoil.

I also take comfort in those books and the recording of history being what was used to build a more perfect nation. We won't go backwards for long, the jig is up for the Republicans, they are all in now.

And my money is on those 81 million people that spoke out in November.

schuylaar said:

i was just going to say something like this don't forget the telegraph- that was hella new technology at one time and yet they got through it without storming the Capitol.

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The telegraph, like the phone system are point to point communications, not a broadcast media, newspapers and magazines are curated media and under the control of a state government, even though they are privately owned. Nobody published Pravda in America, thought there were several commie papers published, the US government wouldn't allow the Russians to open up a newspaper in America, first amendment be damned! The Russians can operate RT on the internet however, it's on YouTube, and exploits Facebook, twitter and other social media by various means to get their messages through.

DIY-HP-LED said:

The telegraph, like the phone system are point to point communications, not a broadcast media, newspapers and magazines are curated media and under the control of a state government, even though they are privately owned. Nobody published Pravda in America, thought there were several commie papers published, the US government wouldn't allow the Russians to open up a newspaper in America, first amendment be damned! The Russians can operate RT on the internet however, it's on YouTube, and exploits Facebook, twitter and other social media by various means to get their messages through.

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i don't go to RT anymore.

hanimmal said:

And my money is on those 81 million people that spoke out in November.

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As long as the majority rules and that is not the case in America or in the senate. The democrats needed a 6 point edge just to break even with systemic gerrymandering. With the new voter suppression laws and especially the changes in who counts the votes currently being passed in multiple red states, all based on a transparent lie, the bar will be higher.

DIY-HP-LED said:

As long as the majority rules and that is not the case in America or in the senate. The democrats needed a 6 point edge just to break even with systemic gerrymandering. with the new voter suppression laws and especially the changes in who counts the votes currently being passed in multiple red states, all based on a transparent lie.

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This is a war of attrition at this point.

The Republicans are utterly exposed and can no longer cover up their scam, which is why they are trying like hell to pull up all the ladders to democracy that they can (after stuffing the courts to try to slow legal challenges).

This is a decades long plan that was exposed, it wasn't going to be fixed by just one or two elections. We will be fixing the holes for decades, unless the Democrats can keep the house and get a super majority in the senate again. This is why the next couple elections are so important.

Any politician that is willing to flat out lie using known foreign propaganda aimed to divide our society has to be voted out and the ones that can't be need to become so marginalized that their racist backwards ass agenda gets choked out.

The only problem is that the Republicans have set up such a potent sound machine that once people get sucked into it, it is hard as hell to get them to see reality because they become hate junkies.

i imagine he'd do this because she is lying??? lol

rkymtnman said:

i imagine he'd do this because she is lying??? lol

Former daughter-in-law of Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg says he's evicting her as retribution for speaking out

Allen Weisselberg, who's been at the helm of the Trump Organization's finances for four decades, is a focus of the criminal inquiry into the company.

www.yahoo.com

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The Trump clan always get away with witness intimidation. They prefer to commit their crimes in the open. Crime is normal & the truth isn't the truth.

Offmymeds said:

The Trump clan always get away with witness intimidation. They prefer to commit their crimes in the open. Crime is normal & the truth isn't the truth.

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that's why the outrage seismic; even for America.

Are you are in favor of not having to show an ID to vote but having to show proof of vaccination just to get dinner or enter some cities?

GOT420 said:

Are you are in favor of not having to show an ID to vote but having to show proof of vaccination just to get dinner or enter some cities?

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Is it not reasonable to ask for proof of vaccine to ensure safety of everyone present to enter a business, and if your against that requirement you are “free” not to enter? Also where are these cities that are banning entry? Are they building walls (or fences lol) to enforce this?

GOT420 said:

Are you are in favor of not having to show an ID to vote but having to show proof of vaccination just to get dinner or enter some cities?

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Hopefully you’ll be dead soon and you won’t have to worry about it anymore.

GOT420 said:

Are you are in favor of not having to show an ID to vote but having to show proof of vaccination just to get dinner or enter some cities?

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WTF are you talking about?
Everyone has to show some form of identification to vote.
The arguments being made now by the Democrats are about the difficulties/restrictions being placed on voting by those Republican cocksuckers in Red states, such as gerrymandering/fucked up/restrictive voting times/not enough places to vote or machines to vote with & my favorite, there shall be no water handed out in Georgia!
And where does this mainly occur?
In the districts that are mostly people of color/low income and that have a tendency to vote Democratic.
Republicans are pieces of shit
Dispute it
And as far as having proof of vaccination to have dinner at a restaurant, good for them & that type of establishment would be the only one I would consider entering.
What cities are you talking about?
I know what should be done at least in Florida's case, they should be blockaded.
Let them dumb fucks (yea, they're dumb/they elected DeSantis) stay where they are so they don't contaminate anyone else.
People with proof of vaccination can leave, that's it.
They're a blight.