When you use cs to force balls on a fem plant (w/CS), and then pollinate it with its own pollen....

Does using CS on part of a plant and then pollinating the same plant with that pollen cause hermies?

  • Haven't tried it myself, but I believe it does cause hermies.

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • Haven't tried this myself, but I don't believe it should cause hermies.

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • I have done this and gotten hermies.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I have done this and gotten all females.

    Votes: 4 44.4%
  • Total voters
    9
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EverythingsHazy

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It should be exactly the same as if you cloned the plant before spraying it with CS,and then used that pollen on the clone instead of the same plant you partially flipped correct? Some people are saying that it can "confuse" the plant and lead to hermies, but that doesn't really make sense because you aren't genetically modifying the plant at all with the cs. Just changing the hormones (mostly in the sprayed areas only which is why other branches can make normal looking buds), which causes pollen sacks to form instead of calyxes.
Am i overlooking something here, or does that make sense...? If you say it causes hermies, please give some proof or other solid evidence besides the "plant being stressed confusing it."
 
UncleReemis

UncleReemis

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I can see how it could stress the plant into hermieing, ironically enough. But I don't know for sure, I haven't experimented with this. However, if you do this, your entire plant is likely to be pollinated.
mroww
 
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EverythingsHazy

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UncleReemis said:
I can see how it could stress the plant into hermieing, ironically enough. But I don't know for sure, I haven't experimented with this. However, if you do this, your entire plant is likely to be pollinated.
mroww
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Possibly, but you would just be expressing a hermie trait if it hermied because the cs stressed it also, not adding a new one into the mix that would show in the seeds imo.

Breeding feminized plants
By Ed Rosenthal - Tuesday, October 19 2004
ASK ED
What happens when feminized plants get polinated?
What would happen if a feminized plant was fertilized by a male plant or if a feminized plant fertilized itself with female pollen?
Troy,
DB

A feminized plant is a plant grown from a seed resulting from pollen from a female plant. There are several ways to induce a female plant to produce male flowers. The pollen has only female genetics. All the seeds are "feminized".

A plant grown from feminized seed fertilized by a male will produce both male and female plants. If the feminized plant was induced to produce male flowers and then pollinated itself or another plant the pollen would contain only female genetics so the seeds would be feminized.

One problem that may occur over generations of feminizing plants is that you may be inadvertently selecting for hermaphroditism. When plants are induced to produce male flowers, the ones that are most likely to respond to the process, whether chemical, hormonal, light or age techniques are used, are the plants with the most tendency to hermaphroditism. Each time you use a feminizing technique you are inadvertently selecting for hermaphroditism. Each generation increases the chances of producing hermaphrodite plants.
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What I took from that is the genes aren't technically changing. You are just breeding and picking the plants that made balls more easily. That means that using a clone to pollinate the plant you got it from wouldn't help the situation. The only thing that would, would be something along the lines of selecting the plants that took the longest to form pollen sacks as the pollen donors.
 
Bud Tipps

Bud Tipps

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This is how you make S1 seeeds. Hermaphrodism is a common trait of cannabis, if the plant you are self pollinating tends to hermie then so will the seeeds. However, I've grown out dozens of of bagseeeds outdoors that were pollinated by a hermie and got mostly healthy plants with some mutants but no hermies.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
the answer is a big fat no.. creating fem'ed seeds via c.s. does not stress the plant, nor does it change the dna of the plant..
the only reason the plant grew balls was the introduction of the c.s.. no c.s., no balls.. so long as you start with a stable plant, all of it's offspring will also be stable.. if you start with unstable plants, then the offspring will also be just as unstable..
this holds true for breeding of any sort, whether it's regular seeds or feminized seeds, garbage in, garbage out. yay, science.. :D
 
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EverythingsHazy

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racerboy71 said:
the answer is a big fat no.. creating fem'ed seeds via c.s. does not stress the plant, nor does it change the dna of the plant..
the only reason the plant grew balls was the introduction of the c.s.. no c.s., no balls.. so long as you start with a stable plant, all of it's offspring will also be stable.. if you start with unstable plants, then the offspring will also be just as unstable..
this holds true for breeding of any sort, whether it's regular seeds or feminized seeds, garbage in, garbage out. yay, science.. :D
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Thank you! I said that same thing somewhere else and was told it was ignorant babble by a mod, so I wanted to fact check on a different forum. Make sure I wasn't overlooking anything.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
EverythingsHazy said:
Thank you! I said that same thing somewhere else and was told it was ignorant babble by a mod, so I wanted to fact check on a different forum. Make sure I wasn't overlooking anything.
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lol, some people, what can you do..
but honestly, think about it.. if the plant were stable, the only thing that made it grow balls was the c.s., like i said earlier, no c.s, no balls
c.s. does nothing to the actual dna of the plant, it just tricks to the plant in changing it's hormones, and makes it grow stamen instead of pistls where it was sprayed at.. where breeders get into trouble making fems is when they use a plant that will hermie on it's own, but again, this has zero to do with the feminized process as regular seeds made from the same plant will also tend to be hermies being the hermie trait is dominate rather than recessive.. :D
 
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EverythingsHazy

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racerboy71 said:
lol, some people, what can you do..
but honestly, think about it.. if the plant were stable, the only thing that made it grow balls was the c.s., like i said earlier, no c.s, no balls
c.s. does nothing to the actual dna of the plant, it just tricks to the plant in changing it's hormones, and makes it grow stamen instead of pistls where it was sprayed at.. where breeders get into trouble making fems is when they use a plant that will hermie on it's own, but again, this has zero to do with the feminized process as regular seeds made from the same plant will also tend to be hermies being the hermie trait is dominate rather than recessive.. :D
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Word for word man, word for word. lol
 
Traxx187

Traxx187

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racerboy71 said:
lol, some people, what can you do..
but honestly, think about it.. if the plant were stable, the only thing that made it grow balls was the c.s., like i said earlier, no c.s, no balls
c.s. does nothing to the actual dna of the plant, it just tricks to the plant in changing it's hormones, and makes it grow stamen instead of pistls where it was sprayed at.. where breeders get into trouble making fems is when they use a plant that will hermie on it's own, but again, this has zero to do with the feminized process as regular seeds made from the same plant will also tend to be hermies being the hermie trait is dominate rather than recessive.. :D
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ohh i see good to know
 
Maine Buds

Maine Buds

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In your opinion racerboy How many grows would you have to complete with the parent plants to confirm stability? I am assuming so called breeder who are in fact using genetics that are susceptible to hermie complete at least 2 full grow with added stressors. How many grows would you need to do to pull out the hermie trait? And where is the cut off line? If cannabis carries the hermie trait anyway then what's the limit on stress levels before they all turn?
 
Sativied

Sativied

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Hermie trait... stoner lingo... at most a low stress tolerance trait and/or strong intersex or monoecious tendency trait.

Maine Buds said:
I am assuming so called breeder who are in fact using genetics that are susceptible to hermie complete at least 2 full grow with added stressors.
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:lol: You know what they say about assumptions right? Many don't even do one test round. They cross two strains from actually breeders, slap a label and a price tag on it et voila.

The answer to the rest of your questions is: that differs per strain. Few breeders are actually going to spend time working on a strain that has a strong tendency to spawn male flowers. It's usually also not done at the end of the line, i.e. you select plants that don't tend to hermie in an early generation or the parents of F1 even, and create a big fat yielding frosty tasty strain with that.
 
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