Will You Take The Vaccine?

nuskool89 said:

Because that’s not how our immune systems work. You don’t go through life living in a bubble. You are constantly exposed to viruses, bacteria, and fungi and your immune system is the sum of the response to that exposure.

I understand your point, I’m not advocating the dismissal of taking precautions with personal health choices. I have nothing against vaccines and look forward to the further development of even more effective implementations.

My point in any of this is not signing on to alarmism and conspiracy, from either political spectrum.

I am not a Republican, I am not a democrat. Too far either way results in foolish world views and blinds people with vitriol toward the “other side.” How easy it is to manipulate populations into a “us vs them” mentality is far more concerning to me than Covid ever will be. I cannot sign on to the wide brush painting of individuals who vote a certain way.

I bring up Delta deaths and hospitalization rates because it’s important to keep real numbers in perspective when going about our daily lives. I am not a pessimist

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nuskool89 said:

Access to medical treatment/vaccines? Or maybe daily deaths?

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hanimmal said:

Over 600,000 dead Americans is not a good enough reason to have a little alarm?

If so please explain why it is not.

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nuskool89 said:

My bad @printer i spent my lunch responding to a couple I’ll vest time in a response after work

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nuskool89 said:

Diminishing alarm* /a calmer view after living through the last year

lll come back I’m at work

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nuskool89 said:

Diminishing alarm* /a calmer view after living through the last year


lll come back I’m at work

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nuskool89 said:

Exactly. Don’t forget the 194,000,000 infected (or well, confirmed positive via testing* as there are probably way more than that)

So keeping those numbers you just gave in perspective, what is the likelihood of you

a) contracting the virus

b) being hospitalized by the virus

c) dying from the virus

in a world population of somewhere close to 7.6 Billion, and a US population of around 330 million.

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nuskool89 said:

Diminishing alarm* /a calmer view after living through the last year


lll come back I’m at work

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Living Evidence - SARS-CoV-2 variants

Viruses constantly change through mutation and over time, new variants of a virus are expected to occur. Some variants have characteristics that have a significant impact on transmissibility, severity of disease and effectiveness of vaccines. This table includes information on variants that are...

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nuskool89 said:

This is tongue in cheek but, every obese person who died from congestive heart failure died from a preventable disease.

All plus sized clothing stores, fast food/most restaurants, and pro body image acceptance groups are part of a death cult.


I can’t even begin to take you seriously if you default to “you guys are a death cult” when I’m not part of any group you want to lump me in to, as you perceive general dialogue on the subject of Covid vaccines and Covid variants as a threat

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nuskool89 said:

That goes back to my initial post asking if there was data pointing to the delta variant being more virulent. I remember last year there was a huge concern hospitals would have to turn people away and ERs would potentially become too full, etc etc.

Even at the peak of the upswing prior to vaccines being introduced, did that scenario come to fruition on a large scale? Serious question/asking for info

Is there a likelihood of this doomsday full capacity hospitals, given the current circumstances across the globe, where such a large segment of the real “at risk” population is now vaccinated?

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nuskool89 said:

This is tongue in cheek but, every obese person who died from congestive heart failure died from a preventable disease.

All plus sized clothing stores, fast food/most restaurants, and pro body image acceptance groups are part of a death cult.


I can’t even begin to take you seriously if you default to “you guys are a death cult” when I’m not part of any group you want to lump me in to, as you perceive general dialogue on the subject of Covid vaccines and Covid variants as a threat

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UncleBuck said:

Your penis is small

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nuskool89 said:

The fact it’s more contagious has nothing to do with how virulent it is. You’re so caught up in being right you’re missing the point. If the majority of the population above 45 is vaccinated, even if people are getting infected it doesn’t translate to more deaths. You can’t fake the reality that the younger you are the less serious covid is. It’s staggering how few people have passed away who are under 45. When you get down to 25 and below it’s an even lower death rate.

Think of how many people were exposed last year prior to vaccines. In the first few waves where the most at risk people passed away quickly in many populations across the world, what was the chance of death? At its peak moving through the world population pre vaccine what was the percentage of those infected that passed away? What percentage had to be hospitalized? Remove emotion for a minute and think of the bigger picture.

Is it safe to say the number of people who caught covid is much higher than those that tested positive for covid? There may be deaths not counted as well, but it’s less likely deaths were underreported (unless you’re China) as Irregular patterns would emerge in countries (like China) but the average is 2% or less so far, and trending downward drastically. Not 2% of the population, 2% of those infected.

So now there is Delta, a strain more contagious, but who is being infected at this point matters a lot. If it’s not any more virulent, it means there will be fewer and fewer cases that require hospitalization, and even less deaths. It’s something to be hopeful and positive about not doom and gloom apocalyptic. The world is getting better everyday

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Budley Doright said:

this life, as we know it, is coming to an end

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Budley Doright said:

No it’s not the covid alone that brought me to this sad conclusion, it’s just another thing that in the last few years, has led me to believe, this life, as we know it, is coming to an end and we did caused it and are too stupid/selfish to honestly try and fix it. But as fog and everyone else said, covid is one thing that can be fixed and only idiots would not.

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• The delta Covid variant is one of the most infectious respiratory diseases seen by experts.
• Currently, the more infectious variant makes up more than 83% of sequenced cases in the U.S.
• 97% of people admitted to hospitals with Covid symptoms are unvaccinated.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Food for thought and something for the vaccine "hesitant" to consider, also perhaps some of the reason for the panic on the right about vaccines and a sudden change in attitude. This also makes me wonder abut the CDC's guidance on masks.
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Delta variant is one of the most infectious respiratory diseases known, CDC director says

Delta variant is one of the most infectious respiratory diseases known, CDC director says (cnbc.com)


KEY POINTS

• The delta Covid variant is one of the most infectious respiratory diseases seen by experts.
• Currently, the more infectious variant makes up more than 83% of sequenced cases in the U.S.
• 97% of people admitted to hospitals with Covid symptoms are unvaccinated.

The delta Covid variant is one of the most infectious respiratory diseases ever seen by scientists, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday.
The variant is highly contagious, largely because people infected with the delta strain can carry up to 1,000 times more virus in their nasal passages than those infected with the original strain, according to new data.

“The delta variant is more aggressive and much more transmissible than previously circulating strains,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told reporters at a briefing Thursday. “It is one of the most infectious respiratory viruses we know of, and that I have seen in my 20 year career.”

The delta variant has spread quickly through the U.S., accounting for more than 83% of sequenced cases in the U.S. right now, up from 50% the week of July 3.

The seven-day average of new cases is up about 53% from last week, currently at 37,674 new cases per day. Hospitalizations are up 32% from last week at about 3,500 per day and deaths have also increased 19% in the same time frame to about 240 per day.

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“This virus has no incentive to let up, and it remains in search of the next vulnerable person to infect,” Walensky said.

The virus is ripping through U.S. counties with low vaccination rates, while counties with high vaccination rates are seeing lower rates of new cases.

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printer said:

You have good points. And I would agree with you except for one thing. Hospitals are filling up again in places where vaccination rates are low. That is the most important metric. Hospitals dealing with covid patients have less resources (mainly nurses) to care for them and the regular patients that need surgeries for some ailment. So the people who need a knee replaced, a heart operation that can wait, these people are left in limbo while the hospitals are dealing with covid.

The people are showing up more in hospitals as there are more younger people infected now. The higher infection rate is because it takes a much less virus count to infect a person. So rather than needing to be with an infected person for ten minutes to get enough virus cells a minute might be enough. And I might as well say right now, yes I know all about it being related to the ventilation, if the air is stagnant or not, I took care of a hospital ventilation system, with about 120 isolation rooms including ICU rooms. I worked with the infection control people regularly and have a pretty good idea of what is involved in keeping people safe from airborne and contact infections, I have been in many infectious patient rooms, thankfully never in our Ebola rooms. (edit: I should say, with a patient. Certified the room was working as designed, air locks, shower for the staff leaving the room, and not a 'take your cloths off and relax under a hot shower' experience' either.

So yes I can see the big picture. I have seen people in ICU rooms and the families say goodbye to some of them. I have seen the round the clock care that these patients need. Let us look at ICU admissions, the chart track admissions with a 7 day rolling average.

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The US trajectory is not on a good path it seems. There is room in the system yet to deal with them, but again, with them taking up a fair share of hospital resources other patients will go wanting.

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