Going commercial

DocCox

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Websites, accecpting payments, etc are the last steps. You've expressed a level of product development has been completed but this is usually followed up by laboratory testing, environmental ratings, and copious levels of insurance before production begins.

Slow it all down, seek a lawyer and determine if your going to be founding a sole proprietorship or LLC or whatever. Jumping the gun is a surefire way to not end up succeeding. Your competition could just buy your first light, claim to have suffered injuries while attempting to fit it in their anus, and you would be in a 15 year multimillion $ legal battle. If everything's not on the up and up with a legally registered business, taxes, etc you ene up fighting that legal battle from the inside of a cell.

Really take the next few weeks to build/establish a legitimate business, a few more weeks or months in laboratory testing/safety testing, and then create the website and offer the product for sale.

I was an engineer earlier in life and worked with a startup for about a month, the owner took his own life during a legal battle(no safety testing performed) followed by a custody battle, family wanting investments back, etc. This was a battery operated toy... A sole proprietorship is a heck of a model
 

Rahz

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Thanks for the advice Doc. I'm seeing a CPA tomorrow and had planned on several weeks getting the business side of things in order. I will look into a lawyer and seek council regarding liability risks and mitigation. I'm really wanting to not base this business on a loan. Not sure what I would do if I began to think electrical classification was necessary for getting the ship off the ground.
 

DocCox

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Thanks for the advice Doc. I'm seeing a CPA tomorrow and had planned on several weeks getting the business side of things in order. I will look into a lawyer and seek council regarding liability risks and mitigation. I'm really wanting to not base this business on a loan. Not sure what I would do if I began to think electrical classification was necessary for getting the ship off the ground.
Just keep going one step at a time, and you will get there regardless of any obstacles buddy. You might be able to sell to individuals without too much work on ratings and certifications. Just don't pass up the opportunity when it shows up, commercial applications are big steady contracts and it's probably going to be mandatory for them. Best of luck to you
 

BobCajun

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Anodizing would be the nicest looking (and most useful) finish but anodizing a less than perfect surface would be tacky. I'm already doing things I hadn't originally planned on doing but hand brushing yards and yards of aluminum is frowned upon. There are some power tools that could speed things up, but dealing with that and tubs of battery acid.... Trying to avoid it. Powder coating is doable but I'd like to start with a bare product and let it's "raw industrial look" be the aesthetic theme.

It actually does look nice IMO :) but if I get the idea it's a deal breaker for the venture I would resort to powder coating small runs. If this project is successful anodized cases could be possible down the road.

Snap in modules is an interesting concept, you got me thinking about it. I'm not sure I have the engineering skills to easily work that out with consolidated drivers in the mix, but from a maintenance standpoint it could be a sweet system for commercial agriculture. I may steal your idea at some point in the future if you don't use it :P
Yeah I guess natural aluminum would be the best bet. No need to overcomplicate things. They aren't made for decoration anyway so I doubt anyone would care what color they are. You can use my snap in idea, I have no plans for getting in the LED lamp business. Rather than snapping in I suppose some sort of clamps would be needed. But you should have something along those lines because cobs are going to keep getting better as time goes on and nobody will want the same ones for the next 10 years if more efficient ones come out. You would have repeat business that way because you could just sell cobs mounted on little blocks that clamp into the fixtures with the heatsinks. By clamps I mean little levers with cams. I'm sure you know what I mean, like how tool boxes close or how you mount computer processors on the sockets and attach the heatsinks to the processor. Hopefully that would be solid enough contact with the heatsinks to work. People could actually change the cobs on the blocks themselves if they wanted. It would be easier to work with the little blocks than taking the whole fixture down.
 
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PurpleBuz

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I was an engineer earlier in life and worked with a startup for about a month, the owner took his own life during a legal battle(no safety testing performed) followed by a custody battle, family wanting investments back, etc. This was a battery operated toy... A sole proprietorship is a heck of a model
everything you have said is great advice. However, the liability and competitive concerns on a battery operated toy are much different than a light that doesn't have all of its certifications. Especially considering that Rahz will probably use top end components which have their certifications (e.g. top end meanwell HLG drivers with 7 years of warranty).

But safety for a toy is a huge concern in the consumers eye and the courts. Competition in the toy market is brutal, with a lot of very big players.
 

Michael Huntherz

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everything you have said is great advice. However, the liability and competitive concerns on a battery operated toy are much different than a light that doesn't have all of its certifications. Especially considering that Rahz will probably use top end components which have their certifications (e.g. top end meanwell HLG drivers with 7 years of warranty).

But safety for a toy is a huge concern in the consumers eye and the courts. Competition in the toy market is brutal, with a lot of very big players.
That said; DC can kill your ass, which is a very real liability concern.
 

DocCox

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everything you have said is great advice. However, the liability and competitive concerns on a battery operated toy are much different than a light that doesn't have all of its certifications. Especially considering that Rahz will probably use top end components which have their certifications (e.g. top end meanwell HLG drivers with 7 years of warranty).

But safety for a toy is a huge concern in the consumers eye and the courts. Competition in the toy market is brutal, with a lot of very big players.
Absolutely, and that was all taken into concern. Competition putting an object in the anus was a very real attempt to put a relevant example. The toy was very child safe, not adult psycho safe. You can have the safest object, made of the best materials, no expenses spared, and somebody that makes a living trolling patents, small business, or whater troll in general can wreck you for absolutely no reason. You have nearly zero control, unless you have your Ts crossed and it's a common household object your slinging and everyone knows it's safe. Even then, people can keep you in court for years over something you clearly never designed your product for. Just wait for the guy that thinks it would be cool to bottom illuminate his plexiglass tub (or a fish tank). One of many reasons medications are so expensive - you put the repeatedly double blind tested, proven side effects and your billion $ boner pill now cost $3 billion when people realize a rock hard can make you dizzy - you know that side effect it says on the bottle, said in every commercial, says 5x on the 10 page document they miraculously got in the container, the thing the pharmacist warned you about, the thing you joked about, the thing your doctor mentioned as he did his best to evaluate your health, etc.
High amperage, AC and DC, going into rooms probably not 100% of the time up to code, installed and operated by people that might not be working at peak mental function, where many operations could be illicit, and waters everywhere.... It's very real somebody could try to get the COB inside their anus. (That was humour for getting hurt)

This second mention of patents however was for OP. Include the royalties in the cost. If you do have novel components or uses, DO patent it, and DO patent it in countries like China. There for example, if you didn't have a patent filed in country before your idea was stolen, you have 0% chance of shutting down the generic factory.
 

PurpleBuz

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. Just wait for the guy that thinks it would be cool to bottom illuminate his plexiglass tub (or a fish tank)..
lighting for aquariums is already here, a lot of people doing both diy and specialized lighting for aquarium lighting.
 
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