DIY E-Nail
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I know I had shitty quartz to begin with because I thought I would break them. My vice to wrap the coil has to clamp to something and the coil isn't really an option. The clamp would either crack the quartz or not hold it in place. I was looking for a snug fit around the glass so I wouldn't come across another fire hazard.
I wouldn't be surprised if the d nail quartz wasn't wrapped snug by the coil. I've never seen one in person so I don't really know. My only idea at the time was to have a glass blower make the quartz nail around the coil.
greenghost420
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Nice thread! Any links where i can educate myself thoroughly about e and d nails?
budbro18
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With the D-nail quarts pieces they fit around the actual domeless nail and sit on a platform below them so that they dont wobble or need to be screwed into place like with the TI ones.
This also helps because instead of heating the post it heats the actual nail and walls so it would make it slightly more effecient and probably tax your coil/box a little less.
Heres what they look like if you didnt see on the first page.
^^^ You slide the coil around the outside of the top part of the nail and it rests on that little ledge. On a normal domeless quartx this would be hard and all of the torque from the coils cord would be pullin on one side of the nail and easily break it because it is floating not resting. Check out some of bubblemans shit on youtube he uses his enail alot and makes very good videos.
greenghost, theres a link to the REDDIT DIY ENAIL page on the first page of this thread, actually in my first post. But if you want more detailed info id just look up different PID controllers and the whole PID meaning/function. Unless youre a wiz at math itll make your head spin. Its not super complicated when its broken down because all youre doing is trying to find a constant and consistent "frequency" that will cause your coil to hover at the exact temp you want it.
Kind of like with a helicopter. You gotta give it enough gas to counteract gravity while not holding it too high as to continue to rise. Except they make it into a long equation with a bunch of symbols and numbers and i failed math in HS so alot good thatll do me.
This also helps because instead of heating the post it heats the actual nail and walls so it would make it slightly more effecient and probably tax your coil/box a little less.
Heres what they look like if you didnt see on the first page.
^^^ You slide the coil around the outside of the top part of the nail and it rests on that little ledge. On a normal domeless quartx this would be hard and all of the torque from the coils cord would be pullin on one side of the nail and easily break it because it is floating not resting. Check out some of bubblemans shit on youtube he uses his enail alot and makes very good videos.
greenghost, theres a link to the REDDIT DIY ENAIL page on the first page of this thread, actually in my first post. But if you want more detailed info id just look up different PID controllers and the whole PID meaning/function. Unless youre a wiz at math itll make your head spin. Its not super complicated when its broken down because all youre doing is trying to find a constant and consistent "frequency" that will cause your coil to hover at the exact temp you want it.
Kind of like with a helicopter. You gotta give it enough gas to counteract gravity while not holding it too high as to continue to rise. Except they make it into a long equation with a bunch of symbols and numbers and i failed math in HS so alot good thatll do me.
I saw that quartz dome less but it still scares me if you can slide the coil off from the top. I have dogs mobbin around the house and my rig has tipped over before. I have it setup on my rig so when it does tip over the hot coil won't hit anything when tipped. By no reason am I trying to neh saying the d nail design but it still has me concerned.
budbro18
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haha i feel ya. In that case youre better off boltin everything to your table, rig included. Theres not a nail i can find, except the ceramic one above, that has any type of protector sleeve on it.
Were workin on gettin the flat coils which will greatly diminish the exposed surface area of the coil but thats the best chance youd have as of now.
Theres a few brands that copied HE like dabjoy that make something like a protector sleeve thing around it. ive been lookin for a ceramic sleeve to go around it but even that would heat up just as hot as teh coil/nail either way.
nme
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Message me with the link please....thank you.
budbro18
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Yeah i feel like the heatsink would be working against you and probably wear out your coil alot quicker since itd have to run at a higher temp more constantly since that heat was being bled off so quickly.
Until disposable/stronger coils come around to where we can press a button, heat the nail, take the dab, let go, and the nail instantly cools, it doesnt seem like theres gonna be any real problem solver. Maybe another layer of quartz around the D-nail type nail would work but only so much for so long. Itll eventually all heat up to a hot enough temp to melt/burn stuff. shouldnt be able to really ignite anything from a drop or a spill for like 30 seconds. Some charred carpet, maybe some toasted wood. haha.
One company makes one like i described but theyre really expensive and not sure on the longevity of them.
Until disposable/stronger coils come around to where we can press a button, heat the nail, take the dab, let go, and the nail instantly cools, it doesnt seem like theres gonna be any real problem solver. Maybe another layer of quartz around the D-nail type nail would work but only so much for so long. Itll eventually all heat up to a hot enough temp to melt/burn stuff. shouldnt be able to really ignite anything from a drop or a spill for like 30 seconds. Some charred carpet, maybe some toasted wood. haha.
One company makes one like i described but theyre really expensive and not sure on the longevity of them.
greenghost420
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thanks! im good at math and electronics so i love this thread already lol
greenghost420
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how are you guys sourcing the coils?
greenghost420
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i see theres sites selling em nevermind
budbro18
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a friend from instagram has a relative over in china who works at a plant. But yeah allibaba and a few e-nail makers have em for sale. They would probably just take longer to ship.
Mine had a 3-5 day production wait then shipped from china to here in under 3 days. so about a week max was pretty nice spent no time in customs really.
Maybe you can look at the PID algorithm and let me know what you can do. haha.
Mine had a 3-5 day production wait then shipped from china to here in under 3 days. so about a week max was pretty nice spent no time in customs really.
Maybe you can look at the PID algorithm and let me know what you can do. haha.
nme
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Has anyone tried the coilworks nail?
greenghost420
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lol ill see what i can do
budbro18
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I havent tried/seen the coilworks nail but ive seen that Highly Educated just came out with these ones but i cant find them ANYWHERE yet!
Theyre lookin really good and i think only 80 or 90 bucks which is alot nicer than the 150 dollar infinity nail and it is made/uses the coils heat alot better.
But i have yet to see any on any site for sale.
Theyre lookin really good and i think only 80 or 90 bucks which is alot nicer than the 150 dollar infinity nail and it is made/uses the coils heat alot better.
But i have yet to see any on any site for sale.
LiquidJunglist
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There wholesale only from what Taskrok posted on his IG. I think maybe we could get a group buy what you think?
budbro18
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Damn it i was pretty sure thats what it was but was hoping that it wouldnt be. So theyll be the usual 150 after websites and headshops put their markup on em. Fuck that shit.
Im down for a collective buy though. A bunch of people do LED group buys to save money and shit. Wonder how many constitutes a "wholesale" because i know alot of headshops that dont cary more than 5 to 10 of a certain thing at a time especially something more expensive like that rather than a bunch of little TI or glass or quartz nails for smaller setups.
So hopefully we can get a handful of people together who want them. If i make a few bucks sellin a few enails id be glad to buy a handful or 2 and sell me to people on here for cost after original shipping + shipping.
Im down for a collective buy though. A bunch of people do LED group buys to save money and shit. Wonder how many constitutes a "wholesale" because i know alot of headshops that dont cary more than 5 to 10 of a certain thing at a time especially something more expensive like that rather than a bunch of little TI or glass or quartz nails for smaller setups.
So hopefully we can get a handful of people together who want them. If i make a few bucks sellin a few enails id be glad to buy a handful or 2 and sell me to people on here for cost after original shipping + shipping.
greenghost420
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if all goes well im down for sure