Organic to Chemical question.

churchhaze

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Nope. Organic is poison. Organic growers put poison in their buds and they're trying to poison you. Poising the well.

Here's a chemistry lesson for all those who still don't get it.

 

churchhaze

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Take off your tin foil hat for a second and listen to me. Metals are ELEMENTS. You can not FAKE metals.

What college program did you get through where you didn't study? UFO studies? The history of Tesla?

There is "metals" needed for plants, however the metal doesn't have to be a real metal. It can derive a different derivatives that are not actually the
metal.
 

cozz

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Yeah I was gonna try mixing the two, using the organic grow formula with chemical bloom nutes to keep the plant healthy throughout flowering hopefully nice and gently.

Thanks for the replies anyways.
hi i used bio bizz for a while and really liked it, then i started thinking like you so dipped my toe in with some canna pk 13/14, and i was happy with the results, im now just running with some plant magic stuff "oldtimers" and am hugely impressed with the health of the plants, ive come to the conclusion that to go true organic can take time learning/studying etc, to go chemi can give you the same problems as your having and some new ones, but things like bio bizz etc give good results and allow you to be flexible with trying other stuff whilst still getting results, the old thing of getting your grow dialled in and knowing your plant will allways be the main things for me
 

whitebb2727

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Nope. Organic is poison. Organic growers put poison in their buds and they're trying to poison you. Poising the well.

Here's a chemistry lesson for all those who still don't get it.


Organic are better for you and the earth.

Are you honestly calling organics poison?

The earth has been fine for millions of years.

In just a short time of humans thinking we know better we are destroying the earth.
 

whitebb2727

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I grew up in mid west farm lands. Farmers are starting to have problems from synthetic nutients.

I see a slow trend in changing they way they do things.
 

whitebb2727

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you mean they have a salt build up and need to leech their fields?

Yes.
Then where does the salt go?

I can tell you for sure that when I went organic in the garden I don't even need to use pesticide.

If it is a stable ecosystem it takes care of its self.
 

churchhaze

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It's just that "synthetics" doesn't really tell me anything about what in particular is causing the problem.

With recent advances in technology, things seem to just keep getting better and better. Tractors now have giant irrigation systems that roll over the entire fields automatically, with ion specific sensors detecting the levels of each macro nutrient, and providing only what is necessary. It just seems to me that the people who want to hold all this back generally only know whether "chemicals" are being used or not.

There are 2 major types of synthetic formulas commonly used. Products like miracle grow, peters, and jack's classic are all based on urea for N, and feed nitrifying bacteria. Hydroponic formulas source the majority of N as nitrate, which is what the nitrifying bacteria produce. It's counter-intuitive to feed a living soil with nitrate salts, and also counter-intuitive to use urea based formulas in inert, dead media.

Per capita, water pollution has been going down in the last few decades as phosphorous runoff has dropped dramatically.

I'm not against organics, but as long as there's a growing population, we will need to produce a certain amount of crops. Doing that organically means going back hundreds of years to crop rotation. That means having 3 fields for every one producing field. I just can't see how people automatically assume that something being "organically" grown makes it magically taste better, and be "healthier". It's completely made up, just like flushing! "hey, your bud looks awesome, but i prefer quality so mine is organic, thus higher quality". bull!
 

whitebb2727

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funny, I tried telling a dude the other day that stressed plants attract pests and he said I was crazy,lol
It's just that "synthetics" doesn't really tell me anything about what in particular is causing the problem.

With recent advances in technology, things seem to just keep getting better and better. Tractors now have giant irrigation systems that roll over the entire fields automatically, with ion specific sensors detecting the levels of each macro nutrient, and providing only what is necessary. It just seems to me that the people who want to hold all this back generally only know whether "chemicals" are being used or not.

There are 2 major types of synthetic formulas commonly used. Products like miracle grow, peters, and jack's classic are all based on urea for N, and feed nitrifying bacteria. Hydroponic formulas source the majority of N as nitrate, which is what the nitrifying bacteria produce. It's counter-intuitive to feed a living soil with nitrate salts, and also counter-intuitive to use urea based formulas in inert, dead media.

Per capita, water pollution has been going down in the last few decades as phosphorous runoff has dropped dramatically.

I'm not against organics, but as long as there's a growing population, we will need to produce a certain amount of crops. Doing that organically means going back hundreds of years to crop rotation. That means having 3 fields for every one producing field. I just can't see how people automatically assume that something being "organically" grown makes it magically taste better, and be "healthier". It's completely made up, just like flushing! "hey, your bud looks awesome, but i prefer quality so mine is organic, thus higher quality". bull!

Its not such much the synthetics themselves. Its the snowball effect they have.

You use synthetic you kill microbes. You kill microbes you start to see pest. You see pest you spray insecticide. You spray insecticide you kill all bugs including bees and spiders which are good.

I have went organic on a small farm. Helped others on farms go organic.

It is possible to grow without rotation.

I let go of chemicals. If a plant is overcome I kill it.

I see lots of spiders in my garden. I started seeing frogs in the garden. A more diverse group of birds are on the property.

Organic food taste better. So does real free range beef chicken and eggs.

Maybe my pallet is more rifined.

I'm just saying I have seen first hand at the effects of ditching chemicals has had on the ecosystem on our property. It improved everything.
 

bravedave

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Its not such much the synthetics themselves. Its the snowball effect they have.

You use synthetic you kill microbes. You kill microbes you start to see pest. You see pest you spray insecticide. You spray insecticide you kill all bugs including bees and spiders which are good.

I have went organic on a small farm. Helped others on farms go organic.

It is possible to grow without rotation.

I let go of chemicals. If a plant is overcome I kill it.

I see lots of spiders in my garden. I started seeing frogs in the garden. A more diverse group of birds are on the property.

Organic food taste better. So does real free range beef chicken and eggs.

Maybe my pallet is more rifined.

I'm just saying I have seen first hand at the effects of ditching chemicals has had on the ecosystem on our property. It improved everything.
Its been shown before...

 

chuck estevez

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Its not such much the synthetics themselves. Its the snowball effect they have.

You use synthetic you kill microbes. You kill microbes you start to see pest. You see pest you spray insecticide. You spray insecticide you kill all bugs including bees and spiders which are good.

I have went organic on a small farm. Helped others on farms go organic.

It is possible to grow without rotation.

I let go of chemicals. If a plant is overcome I kill it.

I see lots of spiders in my garden. I started seeing frogs in the garden. A more diverse group of birds are on the property.

Organic food taste better. So does real free range beef chicken and eggs.

Maybe my pallet is more rifined.

I'm just saying I have seen first hand at the effects of ditching chemicals has had on the ecosystem on our property. It improved everything.
would love to see something that proves this so.
I agree, using synthetics may not provide the best environment for fungi and bacteria to thrive, but I highly doubt they KILL it all off.
 

homebrewer

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Its not such much the synthetics themselves. Its the snowball effect they have.

You use synthetic you kill microbes. You kill microbes you start to see pest. You see pest you spray insecticide. You spray insecticide you kill all bugs including bees and spiders which are good.
Mineral-derived plant foods do not kill microbes. I suppose it's possible though at very high doses. In that scenario, the lack of microbes would be the least of your worries.
 

bravedave

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Mineral-derived plant foods do not kill microbes. I suppose it's possible though at very high doses. In that scenario, the lack of microbes would be the least of your worries.
Of course, everything has its optimum environment. I have recently come to learn that most Myco fungi WILL die in P levels over 10. So where many buy Promix with the myco* fungi already added they may be wasting it with say a 20-20-20
 
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