Canada’s pot industry calling on Ottawa to stop rise of illegal stores Mike Hager

[ricky1lung]

That is on them. We're talking hypothetically.

You don't want a level playing field. You want a government picking winners and toxic low quality product for all.

I want to be able to grow my own and have a variety of safe options if I choose to purchase a product.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

I want to know that if I choose to purchase something it is safe.
Can I leave that to the honour of someone known to be shady by operating outside of regulations?

Not unless I saw the grow every step of the way.

You can be sure if operating within regulations that it will be sprayed.

You can get it tested if they drop all the laws surrounding cannabis. You can sue if they are poisoning you.

It is not complicated. You'd rather trust the government. Guess what, that's always a fucking dumb idea. It's like every single person who worships government just missed the parts of history where it literally runs roughshod over everyone for the benefit of itself (which is surprising because it constitutes 99.9% of history).

Want to know how Big Oil gets away with poisoning the entire water table of Alberta and Saskatchewan? Don't know if you knew this, but there are many places where cancer rates are skyrocketing near oil patches. What a surprise right? Well, they got the water tested and found contaminates. No doubt the stuff being injected to bring the oil out of the ground. But guess what? All those suits are tossed out - why? Government protectionism! Yeah, they have patents on those chemicals and are not obligated to share their structure with anyone. So you can't prove they came from the oil companies because patent law. Which is also complete bullshit government protectionism.

Regulatory capture is the norm. Which is why our food supply is total fucking garbage largely and why every single regulatory body that exists seems to consistently make "stupid" (maybe if you're the general public, if you're a big company though...) decisions.

Those who make such decisions are never stupid people. They just hide behind the excuse. And people lap it up because of cognitive dissonance.

 

[ricky1lung]

You can be sure if operating within regulations that it will be sprayed.

You can get it tested if they drop all the laws surrounding cannabis. You can sue if they are poisoning you.

It is not complicated. You'd rather trust the government. Guess what, that's always a fucking dumb idea. It's like every single person who worships government just missed the parts of history where it literally runs roughshod over everyone for the benefit of itself (which is surprising because it constitutes 99.9% of history).

Want to know how Big Oil gets away with poisoning the entire water table of Alberta and Saskatchewan? Don't know if you knew this, but there are many places where cancer rates are skyrocketing near oil patches. What a surprise right? Well, they got the water tested and found contaminates. No doubt the stuff being injected to bring the oil out of the ground. But guess what? All those suits are tossed out - why? Government protectionism! Yeah, they have patents on those chemicals and are not obligated to share their structure with anyone. So you can't prove they came from the oil companies because patent law. Which is also complete bullshit government protectionism.

Regulatory capture is the norm. Which is why our food supply is total fucking garbage largely and why every single regulatory body that exists seems to consistently make "stupid" (maybe if you're the general public, if you're a big company though...) decisions.

Those who make such decisions are never stupid people. They just hide behind the excuse. And people lap it up because of cognitive dissonance.

There is a difference between trust and knowing what legal restrictions and approved products are employed in the production of things I consume or purchase.

I try to provide what I can for myself or source it from places I trust. Otherwise, if I have to buy from a regulatory system, I'm happy to know there are checks and balances in place and also documentation to show how it was produced or what was allowed or banned from said production for our market.

If that's not a reasonable outlook, I'm not sure what you'd consider one to be. Roughshod?

 

[torontoke]

Some of the thought process in this thread makes my brain hurt.
I think it's safe to say that every single person that posts on this forum thinks that everyone should be able to grow their own. There's no arguing that it's common sense.
If prohibition couldn't stop people from growing their own than how is legal rec supposed to stop it?
Unfortunately that's where most of our similar thinking ends.
Everyone rips lps for being greedy pigs for trying to profit off of the sick yet that's the exact same thing dispensarys do except illegally and they are Heroes?
Dispensarys and cc's ask for the same paperwork lps ask for to cover their asses and as most of you have said buy their meds from the bm or from dgs from the mmar and those guys aren't greedy or taking advantage?

I said this a year ago. If no one buys from lps it is common sense that the gov will go after and close the illegal sources that have skirted the laws and been making serious money off of the sick while looking like Robin Hood.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

There is a difference between trust and knowing what legal restrictions and approved products are employed in the production of things I consume or purchase.

I try to provide what I can for myself or source it from places I trust. Otherwise, if I have to buy from a regulatory system, I'm happy to know there are checks and balances in place and also documentation to show how it was produced or what was allowed or banned from said production for our market.

If that's not a reasonable outlook, I'm not sure what you'd consider one to be. Roughshod?

You didn't provide a single counter point. Enjoy your poison. I'm out.

 

[ricky1lung]

You didn't provide a single counter point. Enjoy your poison. I'm out.

I've been extremely clear, on subject and point.
It's common for diversions and distractions like oil or whatever else isn't being talked about.

I don't trust the word of someone who chooses to operate outside of regulations and laws.

I enjoy knowing what is and is not allowed during production of products approved for use in Canada via laws, restrictions and documentation.

 

[DubL]

I don't trust the word of someone who chooses to operate outside of regulations and laws.

I thought you said you grow your own as well???

 

[ricky1lung]

I thought you said you grow your own as well???

I do. And I also knew of my conflict when I posted, which is no different than most here who advocate the same goal of home grows.

I still believe lp's have a place in the bigger picture, sales should come from regulated sources, there should be home grows.

I grow my own so I don't support the crack head loser that is one of few dealers.
I'd rather know what I'm smoking and avoid supplying cash to wastes of space.

I know what you're trying to do, but I'm no different than most here. So call me out for having a home grow that everyone here advocates for.

You took me out of context, I was referring to those who supply to others for profit and claim it to be compassion or anything else that isn't what it is. Lp weed without checks and balances.

 

[DubL]

I do. And I also knew of my conflict when I posted, which is no different than most here who advocate the same goal of home grows.

I still believe lp's have a place in the bigger picture, sales should come from regulated sources, there should be home grows.

I grow my own so I don't support the crack head loser that is one of few dealers.
I'd rather know what I'm smoking and avoid supplying cash to wastes of space.

I know what you're trying to do, but I'm no different than most here. So call me out for having a home grow that everyone here advocates for.

You took me out of context, I was referring to those who supply to others for profit and claim it to be compassion or anything else that isn't what it is. Lp weed without checks and balances.

Personally, I think the cannabis anyone finds at a dispensary or compassion club would be more "healthy" then most stuff found at LP's.

Regardless LP cannabis is lower quality and more expensive then dispensary cannabis. If LP's wish to survive, they need a whole new business model.

If my dispensary shut down due to LP pressure, there's no way I would go and support them. The cannabis in BC will always be growing...

 

[torontomeds]

I don't disagree, it is a broken system.
The 200+ hopefuls got shafted by an anti mj gov and so did patients at every turn.

i know what it takes to build a business and invest profits back in, I understand both sides of the lp argument. I just see things from a broader perspective.

The only thing I really disagree with is the advantage part.
A cc is local to those who use them or close enough to visit for the most part, they're selling product that was not subject to the overhead costs of running an lp nor subject to the regulations.

They do have an unfair advantage not to mention the legality factor, if that were my investment, I'd be pissed.

I have no problems with cc's dispensaries or any other way to obtain. If the playing field gets levelled for everybody I think that's the best, and most rational outcome.
How that can or will happen, I don't know.

Yeah so same goes for the hopeful LPs, you think it is fair that HC said they would approve anyone who meets the criteria then all of a sudden only approves 20 or so or of like 800 apps?

 

[The Hippy]

I'm calling on Mike Hager......to .....KISS MY ASS.....

 

[JungleStrikeGuy]

Yeah so same goes for the hopeful LPs, you think it is fair that HC said they would approve anyone who meets the criteria then all of a sudden only approves 20 or so or of like 800 apps?

Yep. For better or worse R v Mernagh was a major catalyst for the MMPR, it was the result of Harper's continual game of cat and mouse with the courts. It was never designed to satisfy patient needs, but to stigmatize a plant by treating it like nuclear waste, and push all of the 'signing' mess on doctors.

Talk to anyone in Alberta who has tried or is trying to get a doctor to sign. Looking past all the LP shadiness, and there's a whole other problem with the MMPR in that the medical community was never properly consulted, which is no surprise from a rush job carried out by Harper's Health Canada (not that they were saints beforehand).

Seriously the MMPR is more of a mess than the TPP. As soon as you peel back one layer of garbage there's another.

 

[ricky1lung]

Yeah so same goes for the hopeful LPs, you think it is fair that HC said they would approve anyone who meets the criteria then all of a sudden only approves 20 or so or of like 800 apps?

No I don't think how the Harper gov handled any of it was fair to anyone.
They were vocally anti mj, their policies reflected that and the med system and users suffered because of their ideas.

It's time to move on, but we need to get it right this time in the best interests of everyone. Lp's, retailers, consumers.

 

[c ray]

we need another 100+ lp's of all sizes to level the playing field, and the ability to order from whatever lp we see fit on a particular day, without having to get permission from a div.

 

[ricky1lung]

we need another 100+ lp's of all sizes to level the playing field, and the ability to order from whatever lp we see fit on a particular day, without having to get permission from a div.

Failing lp's will only set back progress that could be made.
This whole cc vs lp is a prime example of a critical breakdown. There is, and should be a supply chain of tested and regulated products.

I see a cc as a retailer and an lp as a wholesaler. They both have roles to play, money to make and are essential to a decent legal system.

We need more lp's bringing products and variety to market, not less.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

Prove they haven't been sprayed.
Exactly my point, you I nor anyone can conclusively prove where it came from or how it was grown.

You good with that? There are plenty of posts from people in here that wouldn't be.

Are you part of the MMAR? if so when did you become part of it. Then I can go further. I'm not asking if you grow at home, I'm asking if you were fortunate to be a part of the program .

 

[Lightgreen2k]

I do. And I also knew of my conflict when I posted, which is no different than most here who advocate the same goal of home grows.

I still believe lp's have a place in the bigger picture, sales should come from regulated sources, there should be home grows.

I grow my own so I don't support the crack head loser that is one of few dealers.
I'd rather know what I'm smoking and avoid supplying cash to wastes of space.

I know what you're trying to do, but I'm no different than most here. So call me out for having a home grow that everyone here advocates for.

You took me out of context, I was referring to those who supply to others for profit and claim it to be compassion or anything else that isn't what it is. Lp weed without checks and balances.

It's obvious that you are not apart of the MMAR program.
.Well if you didn't know most dispensaries get there product from MMAR growers, they use people's overages for the dispensaries.

There is a grey area in that , or rational that people that didn't have access to meds could use places like these or in between harvest when a person's might not have supply they could goto these places.

Most dispensaries use to accept only MMAR Patients or people with Letters from doctors that state what type of conditions they had.

Dispensaries have been here way before LPS .

Did you invest in an LP or where you interested in becoming one ?

 

[ricky1lung]

It's obvious that you are not apart of the MMAR program.
.Well if you didn't know most dispensaries get there product from MMAR growers, they use people's overages for the dispensaries.

There is a grey area in that , or rational that people that didn't have access to meds could use places like these or in between harvest when a person's might not have supply they could goto these places.

Most dispensaries use to accept only MMAR Patients or people with Letters from doctors that state what type of conditions they had.

Dispensaries have been here way before LPS .

Did you invest in an LP or where you interested in becoming one ?

No I'm not invested, no I have no interest in investing.
I'm a long time mj user that is interested in the whole picture.
I never wanted to get scripted, I'm glad I didn't after seeing all of the bs that came with it.

By saying the cc's also sell meds they may get for free also bolsters the lp's argument.

It's really shitty that people decided to profit from the mmar and take advantage of the program. It caused changes that further screwed up an already shaky system. We all know it's never been perfect, but to say it's all "their" fault and these are the good guys, is just plain wrong.

So we need something that works for everyone, they all have their place in a legal system.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

No I'm not invested, no I have no interest in investing.
I'm a long time mj user that is interested in the whole picture.
I never wanted to get scripted, I'm glad I didn't after seeing all of the bs that came with it.

By saying the cc's also sell meds they may get for free also bolsters the lp's argument.

It's really shitty that people decided to profit from the mmar and take advantage of the program. It caused changes that further screwed up an already shaky system. We all know it's never been perfect, but to say it's all "their" fault and these are the good guys, is just plain wrong.

So we need something that works for everyone, they all have their place in a legal system.

So in 2001-2013 when there were no LPS? and people didn't have access to meds, where should they have gone.

Let's see how you answer this .

 

[ricky1lung]

So in 2001-2013 when there were no LPS? and people didn't have access to meds, where should they have gone.

Let's see how you answer this .

Was it not being grown in mines, at home and by dg's?
Apparently, according to the general consensus it was better access
And cheaper back then.

Who caused that to change?