600 watt, Growbrite OG hood, Chocolote Mint OG clone, 60 day Lemon grow.

[Cheywahey]

Crédit where credit is due, putting a little standing water in the bottom of the tray and waking up this morning, the dome was visibly more humid than its ever been (when waking up in the morning), so thank you for that. Batch #3 of clones were just cut, all were cut and scraped under water and they all have atleast one node that was scraped and covered in gel, placed in the plugs. So master splinter, what should I do with these fan leaves? Cut em off or leave them? Poor mother plants getting f'ed up every other day, I'd really like this to be the last batch I cut lolView attachment 3893954 View attachment 3893954

And pulling up all the now 5 day old cuts, that's what happened. Only put gel to stem, didn't put gel to a node and into the medium, though I'm not entirely sure how much of a difference it makes by sticking a node in the medium, all the plugs from the ones that just got pulled are all still moist/damp too

 

[Ernest Benoit]

Hey guys, this will be my first time posting/asking questions publicly about growing, I've been growing for the last.. jeez probably 7 years now and I've kept completely solitary about everything. I've done years worth of reading and studying many aspects of growing, about 7 years of actual practice, but now I'm faced with a question that I'd really rather go public with than just trial and error it alone. This is my first time attempting to clone, every single grow I've ever done has all been from seed, but now I'm looking to make the move to cloning. I cut 6 or 7 clones about 4 days ago, they all started to do "the droop" within the last hours of the first day of cutting them, now 4 days later they're all drooped to hell and I've cut more clones. Apologies for the long post, I'll try and get to it now.

I'm using 1.5" rockwool plugs, not cubes, individual plugs soaked in a very weak nute solution (1/8 tsp per gallon) 5.5 pH solution for 12 hours before use, then I take the plugs out and shake (don't squeeze) them over my sink precisely 8 times until a nice amount of water has been flung out, I then rehydrate them in the same solution I soaked them in, but brought up to 6.5 pH, then repeat the 8 shake step with the plugs again.

●The first time cutting the clones●, I make a general (not 45°) cut on the cutting that I want, and immediately throw it into a cup of water which is never more than 6" away from me (to cut the cutting and have it in water in under a second) I then brought the cuts out of the water, made the 45° cut and dipped it into the gel (Rapid Clone by Cropmax, came with my humidome, .6% IBA content) and placed into the plugs and that's it. That's how I did the first round of clones that haven't bounced back yet.

The second round of clones that I just cut this morning (4 days after the first batch of clones) followed the same soak procedure, except I made my general cuts off of the mother plant and threw it in the cup of water, BUT, I made my secondary 45° cuts underwater and scraped all my stems underwater aswell (didn't scrape the first batch of clones) and I also wish-boned one of my new cuts aswell.

So here we are, 4 days in with the first batch of clones that haven't bounced back, and less than a couple hours of the second batch of clones being cut. They're under a "humidome", but also sitting on a macroplug tray to keep them off of the bottom of the dome, they're sitting under a 125w blue cfl that's kept roughly 1.5' - 2' above the dome, and the dome gets sprayed 2 times a day, the clones have just recently been getting a very light misting during those 2 times aswell, the vent holes have been completely closed on the dome since day 1 (as far as I know, they need to be kept closed until clones start to bounce back) and now I'm really just waiting. Waiting and searching for answers as to what I did wrong or if they'll bounce back.

So thus ends my hour or so long explanation, apologies for the length of this, but I'm really just throwing this out there without expecting a response at all, though thank you very much in advance to anyone who does

More water, low light and a "fan" of gel on any open cuts will replace the sitting in water thing. Rock wool works great but dries quicker. I just started a test to clone dirrectly into soil to see if I can beat that three week barrier. "6 inches tall, trimmed, individually and domed. After drooping the first day. They're tall and all leaf edges are looking for light. Two days old and perky Twiggs.

 

[Cheywahey]

More water, low light and a "fan" of gel on any open cuts will replace the sitting in water thing. Rock wool works great but dries quicker. I just started a test to clone dirrectly into soil to see if I can beat that three week barrier. "6 inches tall, trimmed, individually and domed. After drooping the first day. They're tall and all leaf edges are looking for light. Two days old and perky Twiggs.

Hey right on, that's impressive. I'm on batch #3 with none taken off yet (batch #1 was a wash in the first place) now I'm sitting on batch 2 (1 day old) and batch 3 which was cut this morning, hoping to get ATLEAST a few to take off so I can keep this strain in circulation, wouldn't it be something if it was a strain that just didn't wanna clone though

 

[Ernest Benoit]

More water, low light and a "fan" of gel on any open cuts will replace the sitting in water thing. Rock wool works great but dries quicker. I just started a test to clone dirrectly into soil to see if I can beat that three week barrier. "6 inches tall, trimmed, individually and domed. After drooping the first day. They're tall and all leaf edges are looking for light. Two days old and perky Twiggs.

If you know that you have to put liquid on the exposed end when cut...that exposed end will remain exposed till it heals and develops roots. If you remove the water/gel it goes back to looking for that liquid...Right? So keep those in a container, with water in the base and mist a dome on them. My Twiggs take no longer than 3wks to root doing this. One may fail but I cut extra for my failures.

 

[Cheywahey]

More water, low light and a "fan" of gel on any open cuts will replace the sitting in water thing. Rock wool works great but dries quicker. I just started a test to clone dirrectly into soil to see if I can beat that three week barrier. "6 inches tall, trimmed, individually and domed. After drooping the first day. They're tall and all leaf edges are looking for light. Two days old and perky Twiggs.

In your opinion, is 125w too strong? This is what the closet currently looks like. I've heard people using 300-600w HID just kept at higher distances, and on those cuts I just took this morning, should I strip more of the leaves or leave them on?

 

[Ernest Benoit]

In your opinion, is 125w too strong? This is what the closet currently looks like. I've heard people using 300-600w HID just kept at higher distances

125w is suitable for one to two "vegging" herbs. I have a 39w on 11 twiggs till they get roots. My vegging herbs are under 4'x2' 200watts of LED tubes. The budding herbs get a 300w per 2 of them. Vegging lights are 2" from herbs. 300w LEDs are never more than 1 foot. Not super dense but a nice flavored smoke. These are Various CBD and RX.

 

[Cheywahey]

125w is suitable for one to two "vegging" herbs. I have a 39w on 11 twiggs till they get roots. My vegging herbs are under 4'x2' 200watts of LED tubes. The budding herbs get a 300w per 2 of them. Vegging lights are 2" from herbs. 300w LEDs are never more than 1 foot. Not super dense but a nice flavored smoke. These are Various CBD and RX.

Ahh yeah, I'm just gonna be using the 125w as a clone/mild veg light, my main tent/light is a 4x4 tent with a 600w HID, I had planned to be flowering in the tent, vegging in the closet, and once harvest comes then I swap the veg into the tent and then cut more clones and throw them in the closet. That sort of perpetual setup is something I've been working towards for a little while now, just got into cloning to make it happen, now just waiting to find a method that sticks. Gonna be upgrading to a 5x10 tent for flower with 2x phytomax-2 800's, then keep the 4x4 and 600w for the new veg, but I'm gonna have to get the hang of cloning before any of that happens, but in the meantime, how do those fan leaves look on the new cuts I just took? Too many leaves still on them or should I leave them?

 

[Ernest Benoit]

Got called into work for a little bit, just got back and was able to take a quick pic and edit it to properly explain everything. The *red* circled cuts are the ones that I took 4 days ago, that look like straight up death. The blue circled cuts are the ones that I took this morning, just starting to get some of the droop going, and a little blue dream sprout behind the tray. I'm mainly wondering if those red circled cuts are too far gone, they're browning up a bit and looking like they won't make it, the red circled cut up in the front on the far right is by far the best looking cut of that series of cuts, it's not nearly as far gone as the others, but it's not looking too good for the rest of themView attachment 3893258

If these do not perk up in a day, recut them and start over or they may shock for too long wasting time. They usually develop other issues later on if not corrected post haste. (Herbs that top themselves, etc... *Personally...I would recut and regel them NOW to avoid loss of time.

 

[Cheywahey]

If these do not perk up in a day, recut them and start over or they may shock for too long wasting time. They usually develop other issues later on if not corrected post haste. (Herbs that top themselves, etc... *Personally...I would recut and regel them NOW to avoid loss of time.

Reçut and regel? If I had to pull them out of the plugs and Reçut and regel, then I'd be cutting the node that's in the rockwool, off. I don't think I'm needing to Reçut or regel them, just wondering about the fan leaves, if I need to go back under the dome and just cut the fan leaves off

 

[Ernest Benoit]

Ahh yeah, I'm just gonna be using the 125w as a clone/mild veg light, my main tent/light is a 4x4 tent with a 600w HID, I had planned to be flowering in the tent, vegging in the closet, and once harvest comes then I swap the veg into the tent and then cut more clones and throw them in the closet. That sort of perpetual setup is something I've been working towards for a little while now, just got into cloning to make it happen, now just waiting to find a method that sticks. Gonna be upgrading to a 5x10 tent for flower with 2x phytomax-2 800's, then keep the 4x4 and 600w for the new veg, but I'm gonna have to get the hang of cloning before any of that happens, but in the meantime, how do those fan leaves look on the new cuts I just took? Too many leaves still on them or should I leave them?

Good work. If it's feasible, change to LEDs. Better heat range that won't kill herbs unless the lights are too close. With a better heat range you also get to not spend on extra fans, better humidity and less to zero mold and mildew.
The temp in my budding box is 18-24 degrees Celsius. The humidity is 30-40. At night because it's winter here. Two herbs and one cycle in I realise that no herbs have mold nor mildew. The Lady bugs from my summer yard grow keeps the nastys away.

 

[Ernest Benoit]

Reçut and regel? If I had to pull them out of the plugs and Reçut and regel, then I'd be cutting the node that's in the rockwool, off. I don't think I'm needing to Reçut or regel them, just wondering about the fan leaves, if I need to go back under the dome and just cut the fan leaves off

Okay. I would agree to cut near half of each leaf. Better air flow, it may give a quicker response to signal roots and cause less weight on the sagging tops.

 

[Cheywahey]

Okay. I would agree to cut near half of each leaf. Better air flow, it may give a quicker response to signal roots and cause less weight on the sagging tops.

So cut the leaves in half? Man, the contradiction within this thread is unreal lol, I do agree that the foliage looks a little large/heavy for them, I was either gonna strip em down to just 2 leaves and the new growth site, or cut them in half

 

[tharoomman]

I'm on my 2nd batch of 7 clones.

First batch 6/7 lived.

2nd batch is on path to give 6/7 again.

I used only water....tbh, this has been way too easy for me. Took Cuttings(i only cut very little of the fan leaves. Most are whole) , put in cloner, forget about them for a week. Now I got roots. Lol.

http://www.htgsupply.com/products/8-site-cloner-bucket

 

[tharoomman]

So cut the leaves in half? Man, the contradiction within this thread is unreal lol, I do agree that the foliage looks a little large/heavy for them, I was either gonna strip em down to just 2 leaves and the new growth site, or cut them in half

Not really contradictions man. More accurately, it's just different techniques. Many paths to success when it comes to growing cannabis.

 

[Cx2H]

So cut the leaves in half? Man, the contradiction within this thread is unreal lol, I do agree that the foliage looks a little large/heavy for them, I was either gonna strip em down to just 2 leaves and the new growth site, or cut them in half

Thought we covered cutting leafs..

Contradiction is the blind leading blind through traffic.

at this point it's getting entertaining. The water in tray thing...

I could of swore I said put cubes in a drip saucer inside the dome and duh of course water in the dome just not cube in standing water. I Love that guy.

Not really sure who said chop off clones everyday, but ok.

Hey I could be wrong about forgetting to tell you something since we help a dozen or so people everyday honestly sorry if I did. Every thing else is on point..

 

[tharoomman]

Thought we covered cutting leafs..
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Save me from having to look for the answer....you are suppose to cut fans leaves on cuttings ?

 

[Cx2H]

Save me from having to look for the answer....you are suppose to cut fans leaves on cuttings ?

Yeap, causes the clone to focus on roots not fans. And thinking about it that was siofrek I told about cutting clones, sorry. Cut 40% off of the big fans, not new growth in the middle.

 

[Ernest Benoit]

So cut the leaves in half? Man, the contradiction within this thread is unreal lol, I do agree that the foliage looks a little large/heavy for them, I was either gonna strip em down to just 2 leaves and the new growth site, or cut them in half

Yes. Both will work. Some leave the leafs whole but trim all but the last few nodes. Others trim all or near all of the leaves "nearly in half". Test all methods and stick with what works for you. So many ways to get that result.

 

[Cx2H]

Now take everything from everyone here and smash it down to a method. Honestly everything here will work. Cloning is pretty straight forward. Just make sure you insert the clone into the cube until you feel it go into cube and stick. Think higgsy pointed that out

 

[nfhiggs]

Yes. Both will work. Some leave the leafs whole but trim all but the last few nodes. Others trim all or near all of the leaves "nearly in half". Test all methods and stick with what works for you. So many ways to get that result.

True - many paths, some work better for others, not always a single "right" path. I don't do the leaf cutting thing simply because there really is no science behind it. I figure if the leaf looks too big to support, just take the whole thing off.